My personal experience in looking too deep [The crossroads]

Tue Jun 21, 2011 1:10 am » by **Shagrath**

It's really not that big of a deal when my children look at me as if I am going off the deep end on Father's day. After all, in my case, they know damn well that i'm perfectly sane. I simply keep looking for something that is not quite withing my grasp or understanding.

I'm a little eccentric and rough around the edges, but I tend to keep things real enough.

I have made the "mistake" of researching Monarch programming and MK Ultra, and actually talking about it. I made the point that it is documented and entirely real. I guess my presentation failed. There is just so much to say that the normal person would have to absorb. The majority of people will dismiss everything! I find myself at a crossroad.

My family doesn't think I'm nuts, but they are eying me. I'm simply telling them that there is sufficient evidence to support mind control "in the works" and not just in the past. MK Ultra is real. Documented very well.

My point is that everyone simply wants to go on with their lives. nobody wants to hear "weird" shit. You will never get anyone to "wake up". We are so into ourselves that we can NEVER break free. This is a dangerous point.

What do we do?

Tue Jun 21, 2011 1:28 am » by **Newearthman**

Exactly man. It's hard enough presenting the material in a calm inteligent way and not looking like an eccentric. I don't even bother talking to the "lay person" about this stuff...I'm glad I have the dtv forum!

Tue Jun 21, 2011 1:33 am » by **Otoel**

shagrath wrote:It's really not that big of a deal when my children look at me as if I am going off the deep end on Father's day. After all, in my case, they know damn well that i'm perfectly sane. I simply keep looking for something that is not quite withing my grasp or understanding.

I'm a little eccentric and rough around the edges, but I tend to keep things real enough.

I have made the "mistake" of researching Monarch programming and MK Ultra, and actually talking about it. I made the point that it is documented and entirely real. I guess my presentation failed. There is just so much to say that the normal person would have to absorb. The majority of people will dismiss everything! I find myself at a crossroad.

My family doesn't think I'm nuts, but they are eying me. I'm simply telling them that there is sufficient evidence to support mind control "in the works" and not just in the past. MK Ultra is real. Documented very well.

My point is that everyone simply wants to go on with their lives. nobody wants to hear "weird" shit. You will never get anyone to "wake up". We are so into ourselves that we can NEVER break free. This is a dangerous point.

What do we do?

You have to understand that only a few people on this rock are likes us... do not let that make you sad! You are special, but they can not see it because they find solace in following their hive mentality, that does not make them bad people, they grew into it...

But you broke free! So rejoice! You do not need to wake up anyone, they will come to you when they are ready. On the meantime, listen to them and try to illuminate them when possible, but mostly listen to them and smile a little bit...

Tue Jun 21, 2011 3:02 am » by **Tgwusauk**

otoel wrote:
shagrath wrote:It's really not that big of a deal when my children look at me as if I am going off the deep end on Father's day. After all, in my case, they know damn well that i'm perfectly sane. I simply keep looking for something that is not quite withing my grasp or understanding.

I'm a little eccentric and rough around the edges, but I tend to keep things real enough.

I have made the "mistake" of researching Monarch programming and MK Ultra, and actually talking about it. I made the point that it is documented and entirely real. I guess my presentation failed. There is just so much to say that the normal person would have to absorb. The majority of people will dismiss everything! I find myself at a crossroad.

My family doesn't think I'm nuts, but they are eying me. I'm simply telling them that there is sufficient evidence to support mind control "in the works" and not just in the past. MK Ultra is real. Documented very well.

My point is that everyone simply wants to go on with their lives. nobody wants to hear "weird" shit. You will never get anyone to "wake up". We are so into ourselves that we can NEVER break free. This is a dangerous point.

What do we do?

You have to understand that only a few people on this rock are likes us... do not let that make you sad! You are special, but they can not see it because they find solace in following their hive mentality, that does not make them bad people, they grew into it...

But you broke free! So rejoice! You do not need to wake up anyone, they will come to you when they are ready. On the meantime, listen to them and try to illuminate them when possible, but mostly listen to them and smile a little bit...

great response

Tue Jun 21, 2011 6:43 am » by **Shagrath**

Thanks guys.

I was saying everything in a "lite" manner and still, it came across as alien and uncomfortable to my kids. My children are 22 and and 18 years of age. I'm not telling children's story's here. I was letting them know that the world isn't quite what they think. I feel like Roddy Piper's character in "They Live" without the shooting and other shit.

It is a slippery slope. It all gets muddled into the "maybe it is or maybe it isn't" category. But there is enough evidence there to make one think.

Just last year, I was posting that this is all bullshit. I was telling you all that you are delusional. {look it up}

Today, I'm viewing movies and going "holy shit!"

Let me give you an example...

I just watched "The Green Lantern" in 3D.

I guess I've been studying this shit for too long. Oh, I didn't go to any site yet to see what others think. These are all my personal interpretations. I can't wait to see what others see.

The Green lantern indoctrination involved "The programming":
It's always pain in Hollywood movies that makes someone "better".
(It reeks of Monarch Programming)
He was abducted
You have to have (The "second" identity)
He was trained beyond his knowledge, will and understanding (Through pain!)
He was given "additional" memories
He acquired addition "abilities" without his consent
His humanity was thought of as a weakness until "they" discovered "it" was a strength
He got the girl (Oh wait! That's a good thing, but what's with that consistent theme?)

The entire "overcome fear" and "break the will" theme
The "eye within the pyramid" on the hard-drive

There is more but I'm tired. I had more on my mind yesterday. I'll think more tomorrow. It's late...

My point is that all this seems to be real to me now. I simply "see it". I feel like I joked about it in the past and here I am saying that there is "something" very real going on.

"They Live"

Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:36 am » by **Garciaface**

Okay, bros and hoes. Time for me to share. First, Google US Patents. Find a site that allows to you browse US Patents, like free patents online dot com (you have to put that together as a web address. I used that format so DTV wont block it as an advertisement). Find your own, or use my resource. Okay. Got it? Now look up these patents:

US3951134/Remotely Monitoring and Altering Brain Waves

US4717343/Method For Changing a Person’s Behavior

US4858612/Hearing Device

US5123899/Method and System for Altering Consciousness

US5159703/Silent Subliminal Presentation System

US5270800/Subliminal Message Generator

US5458142/Device for Monitoring Magnetic Fields (in Living Organisms)

US5480374/Method and Apparatus for Reducing Physiological Stress

US5507291/Method/Apparatus for Remotely Determining Info as to Person’s Emotional State

US5539705/Ultrasonic Speech Translator and Communication System

US5760692/Intra-Oral Tracking Device

US5935054/Magnetic Excitation of Sensory Resonances

US6011991/Brain Wave Analysis Communication System

US6006188/Speech Processing Device for Determining Psychological or Physiological Characteristics

US6017302/Subliminal Acoustic Manipulation of Nervous System

These are but a few I found for a book I wrote a few years ago that I cannot advertise here or DTV will have me killed. I found thousands of patents just like these. They are UNBELIEVABLE! Some are decades old. Why would the US Patent Office be issuing patents for such devices?

Now, I’ve done this before, but I’ll do it again. Here’s how you peruse the US Patent Office and find secret patents that you cannot find any other way. Find a patent by searching (in the search box of the website you’re using to view patents) for key terms, like brain waves, beta waves, sleep patterns, emotional state, or Anthrax, Swine Flu, Global Hawk, Holographic image projector, phased plasma cannon, laser cannon, high hypersonic aircraft, re-entry vehicle, so on and so forth. Next, when you find a patent to something you are trying to learn about, start using that inventor’s name in your searches (like Bruce Ivins-Anthrax mailer and inventor). This way you find inventions by the people you’re investigating that you never would have found any other way. You’re not going to believe what you’re going to find, like this patent I found for my book:

US2010/0226941 A1/Method For Preventing Infections From Bioterrorism Agents

Yeah, Dr. Bruce Ivins was being awarded patents related to Anthrax technologies AFTER he killed himself when the FBI came knocking on his door to arrest him for the 2001 Anthrax mailings. I found in my research that not only was he a suspect from day one, but he had been getting US Patents awarded for Anthrax vaccines, expression systems, and more the whole time after the 2001 Anthrax scare!

Do your own research, publish what you find. I couldn’t find a publisher for my book, and I am not surprised. The above info is a minor part of what I found relating only to one chapter in the book, and that was about MIND CONTROL. So, to the person who started this thread, yeah, you’re right! They are using such a vast array of technologies to keep you pacified, dumbed down, and reluctant to ask questions that it will make your head spin once you start seeing the tech. Start with turning off the TV, stop eating GMO foods and poisons like Aspartame, MSG, and all the drugs your family doctor is prescribing, like Oxy, Valium, and so on.

Happy hunting.

Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:14 am » by **Colinqpr**

i love tto talk to newbies and get there reaction ,was thelunatic 10 years ago,but now people asking me for info,so its not all bad ,have found year on year more people are looking ,just keep learning,cheers colin

Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:39 am » by **Stratosfear**

The whole becoming a better person through pain is of ancient lineage throughout the world. A couple of examples which spring to mind are: to fully realise is true potential, Jesus had to endure the pain of crucifixion. When Odin wanted knowledge of the runes the price he paid was to lose an eye and being hung for nine days. Also, it comes to me, are many of the shamanistic rituals endured when becoming a shaman. Perhaps such an idea is deep-rooted in our minds?

Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:46 am » by **Dukettt**

shagrath wrote:It's really not that big of a deal when my children look at me as if I am going off the deep end on Father's day. After all, in my case, they know damn well that i'm perfectly sane. I simply keep looking for something that is not quite withing my grasp or understanding.

I'm a little eccentric and rough around the edges, but I tend to keep things real enough.

I have made the "mistake" of researching Monarch programming and MK Ultra, and actually talking about it. I made the point that it is documented and entirely real. I guess my presentation failed. There is just so much to say that the normal person would have to absorb. The majority of people will dismiss everything! I find myself at a crossroad.

My family doesn't think I'm nuts, but they are eying me. I'm simply telling them that there is sufficient evidence to support mind control "in the works" and not just in the past. MK Ultra is real. Documented very well.

My point is that everyone simply wants to go on with their lives. nobody wants to hear "weird" shit. You will never get anyone to "wake up". We are so into ourselves that we can NEVER break free. This is a dangerous point.

What do we do?

Man you just came face to face with human condition. "Normal" humans live in a "gage". It is pretty shitty place to be. Cant move around too much or the gage rattles and the handler might come to check you out. He wont let you out, just slaps your fingers at first. Keep rattling and eventually the handler sees you as "too much trouble" and your "training" is over... Is it possible to break out? I have heard that some have done it, but hey i cant be sure, because i really dont know much about the world outside the gage.All the stuff i have ever learned have come from inside this "gage", so most of it is hearsay and fantasy, maybe some tiny amount of solid science in there. Gaged people must entertain themselves somehow....but i must say it is pretty safe here inside a gage....

Tue Jun 21, 2011 12:05 pm » by **Otoel**

garciaface wrote:Okay, bros and hoes. Time for me to share. First, Google US Patents. Find a site that allows to you browse US Patents, like free patents online dot com (you have to put that together as a web address. I used that format so DTV wont block it as an advertisement). Find your own, or use my resource. Okay. Got it? Now look up these patents:

US3951134/Remotely Monitoring and Altering Brain Waves

US4717343/Method For Changing a Person’s Behavior

US4858612/Hearing Device

US5123899/Method and System for Altering Consciousness

US5159703/Silent Subliminal Presentation System

US5270800/Subliminal Message Generator

US5458142/Device for Monitoring Magnetic Fields (in Living Organisms)

US5480374/Method and Apparatus for Reducing Physiological Stress

US5507291/Method/Apparatus for Remotely Determining Info as to Person’s Emotional State

US5539705/Ultrasonic Speech Translator and Communication System

US5760692/Intra-Oral Tracking Device

US5935054/Magnetic Excitation of Sensory Resonances

US6011991/Brain Wave Analysis Communication System

US6006188/Speech Processing Device for Determining Psychological or Physiological Characteristics

US6017302/Subliminal Acoustic Manipulation of Nervous System

These are but a few I found for a book I wrote a few years ago that I cannot advertise here or DTV will have me killed. I found thousands of patents just like these. They are UNBELIEVABLE! Some are decades old. Why would the US Patent Office be issuing patents for such devices?

Now, I’ve done this before, but I’ll do it again. Here’s how you peruse the US Patent Office and find secret patents that you cannot find any other way. Find a patent by searching (in the search box of the website you’re using to view patents) for key terms, like brain waves, beta waves, sleep patterns, emotional state, or Anthrax, Swine Flu, Global Hawk, Holographic image projector, phased plasma cannon, laser cannon, high hypersonic aircraft, re-entry vehicle, so on and so forth. Next, when you find a patent to something you are trying to learn about, start using that inventor’s name in your searches (like Bruce Ivins-Anthrax mailer and inventor). This way you find inventions by the people you’re investigating that you never would have found any other way. You’re not going to believe what you’re going to find, like this patent I found for my book:

US2010/0226941 A1/Method For Preventing Infections From Bioterrorism Agents

Yeah, Dr. Bruce Ivins was being awarded patents related to Anthrax technologies AFTER he killed himself when the FBI came knocking on his door to arrest him for the 2001 Anthrax mailings. I found in my research that not only was he a suspect from day one, but he had been getting US Patents awarded for Anthrax vaccines, expression systems, and more the whole time after the 2001 Anthrax scare!

Do your own research, publish what you find. I couldn’t find a publisher for my book, and I am not surprised. The above info is a minor part of what I found relating only to one chapter in the book, and that was about MIND CONTROL. So, to the person who started this thread, yeah, you’re right! They are using such a vast array of technologies to keep you pacified, dumbed down, and reluctant to ask questions that it will make your head spin once you start seeing the tech. Start with turning off the TV, stop eating GMO foods and poisons like Aspartame, MSG, and all the drugs your family doctor is prescribing, like Oxy, Valium, and so on.

Happy hunting.

Woah! Awesome info! :flop: