Proof from NASA That Comet Elenin Is Affecting Earth

Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:22 pm » by **Savwafair2012**

So then these are just normal day's on Earth? Shear coincidence :peep:

Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:28 pm » by **Niji666**

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sorry proof from nasa it isn't :flop:

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Tue Jul 26, 2011 5:21 pm » by **Mutjack**

What are all these doom merchants going to do when nothing happens in 2011 and 21/dec/2012 I suppose they will have to go away and recalculate the date and year for the end of the world.HAHO!!!!!! :dancing:

Tue Jul 26, 2011 5:39 pm » by **Boondox681**

yo,sav i appreciate your time and effort,but...this is as far as i got...

it does not get any better when NASA is your source.

c'mon man,NASA has been lying to the public since it's inception a half century ago.
i don't know what's sadder...this fact or the fact that you believe them.

peace man

Tue Jul 26, 2011 7:22 pm » by **Ufosarus**

i dont know guys think im with sav on this one :think:

and ok if this dont happen and im not say it will, but i wouldnt rule it out either.
i just have a feeling that something big is guna happen

Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:37 pm » by **Flecktarn**

i have to say the info is good ,hence the preparation the uk government has been doing right under the public's noses as i posted before concerning a work briefing ,,no matter how many people dismiss it ,,this has been prepared for ,

Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:45 pm » by **Dmonix**

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I think the only thing that really comes good out of all this is that some of your aspiring writers get a chance to work out some ideas on these forums.
Otherwise, I wish people would quit this fear mongering over nothing.
There's no big invisible or visible planet coming towards us or our Sun. I know it's fun and you probably get passionate on writing this stuff, but it's really getting old...

Oh yeah, and if you say, you are going to offer PROOF that NASA's confirmed this, you need or should at least be courteous enough to leave a link to said "proof". Otherwise, it's just Fiction.

Tue Jul 26, 2011 9:12 pm » by **Slamgunshark**

slamgunshark wrote:NO MORE FEAR, THIS IS FACT! 100%

If you understand distance, temperature, gravity effects, and mass, you should know that there is absolutely nothing to worry about.

So here it is, the debunking of debunking to go for the 2 articles today spreading fear about why you should fear Elenin. I know there is going to be some haters, maybe some doubters, but for the most part it is going to be the ones who said "I TOLD YOU SO" who will laugh at you, so are you prepared for that? are you ready to be mocked when this thing flies by and you look like a jackass? or are you ready to accept that you are buying into fear?

Worried About Comet Elenin? FAQs from Ian Musgrave

http://www.universetoday.com/87619/worr ... -musgrave/

Orbit of Comet C/2010 X1 Elenin (red) visualised with Celestia, showing Elenin at closest approach to Earth. Image courtesy of Ian Musgrave

Will Comet Elenin Hit Earth?:

No, its closest approach is 0.23 AU on Oct 16, 2011, where 1 AU is the distance from the Earth to the Sun. To put this in perspective, this is only a little closer than the closest approach of Venus to Earth, and roughly 100 times the distance from the Earth to the Moon. This distance is from the latest MPEC ephemeris which is based on over 100 observations from multiple observatories that have been continuously tracking the comet, so it won’t change appreciably.

Surely if Elenin Was Going to Hit the Earth NASA/the Government Would Hush it Up?

Which government? The Australian Government, the UK Government? The Italian Government? The South African Government? Amateur astronomers world wide are following this comet and continually talking to each other. The have the programs to work out where the comet is going. If the comet was coming anywhere near us, the amateur community would be first to know, and there is no keeping them quite. Consider how wide spread the information is about Apophis, which is a real, if extremely marginal, hazard.

Will it Cause Earthquakes, Abnormally High Tides or Other Disasters:

No, Elenin is a mere 3-5 kilometres across and has less than a billionth of the tidal force of the Moon at closest approach (as well as a negligible magnetic field). If the Moon can’t cause the poles to tip, cause massive tidal floods or earthquakes, Comet 2010 X1 Elenin won’t. We’ve been closer to other comets before with no ill effect.

But What About Mensur Omerbashich’s Paper that Says Elenin is Causing Earthquakes?

It shows nothing of the sort, earthquakes are no more common during comet alignments than at any other time.

But it’s bigger than Jupiter!:

No, that’s the coma , the thin haze of gas and dust that surrounds the comet nucleus. The nucleus of C/2010 X1 Elenin is roughly 3-4 Km in diameter and Elenin has a coma around 50,000 km wide at the time of writing (which is a third of the diameter of Jupiter). The average density of the coma is about the same as the density of the atmosphere on the Moon. A coma is a feature of all comets that approach the Sun closely, for example comet 81P Wild (nucleus 4 Km diameter) had a coma of 50,000 Km and 103P Hartley had a coma of 150,000 Km. The Great Comet of 1811 had a nucleus of around 30km in diameter and had a coma nearly as big as the Sun. Comet Halley is 6×15 km and had a coma 100,000 km wide when it last approached Earth. We survived them all (and 103P Hartley came nearly twice as close as Elenin will), and we will survive Elenin without incident.

But I Can See a Picture of it in WikiSky, it’s HUGE!:

That is the carbon star CW Leonis.

Is Elenin a Moon of a Brown Dwarf Star?:

No.

But Brown Dwarf Stars are so Cold, you Can’t See Them.:

No, coldest detected so far is ~370K (about the temperature of a hot cup of tea), the the warmest are around 2200 K, and most range between 500-1000 K. They may not produce much visible light, but they reflect light. Jupiter has a composition similar to those of Drown Dwarf stars. Jupiter’s cloud tops are a chilly 128 K and it reflects light just fine. Any Brown Dwarf in the inner solar system would be painfully obvious.

Will Going Through the Comets Tail Affect Us?:

No, should the rather small tail of Elenin actually pass over us, it’s doing a pretty good imitation of a vacuum (about 100 atoms per cm3). We have been through bigger and denser comet tails before with no effect whatsoever (especially the Great Comet of 1861).

Why isn’t Comet Elenin in the News?:

For the same reason that the other 16 comets discovered in 2010 didn’t get in the news, or the 5 comets discovered in 2011. They are all dim. The News is only interested in comets that are spectacular, readily visible to the unaided eye or are being visited by spacecraft. Comet 2009 P1 will be as bright, if not brighter than C/2010 X1 Elenin, but that’s not in the news either. Amateur and professional astronomers are watching comet Elenin and others avidly, but the news channels don’t care about our obsessions with faint fuzzies.

Why Can’t I Find Information of Elenin at the NASA Website?:

Because NASA is not the arbiter of all things astronomical. You won’t find information on C/2009 P1, C/2011 C1 or any of the faint comets discovered during 2010 and 2011. NASA does have information of comets that its spacecraft have visited, or are interesting in some other way, but it’s not an exhaustive comet site like Cometography or Aerith.

(editor’s note, NASA and JPL’s Near Earth Object Office did publish an article about Comet Elenin in May, 2011, which can be found at this link, confirming it will safely fly past Earth.)

I Saw Comet Elenin Near the Sun in August 2010/Now: In August 2010 only really powerful telescopes could see Elenin.:

You saw Venus. If you are seeing something bright near the Sun in the morning sky now, it’s Venus.

How Can I Tell What IS in the Sky and Avoid The Venus Confusion?:

For freeware standalone programs there is Cartes du Ciel and Stellarium (my favourite). For Web based solutions Skyview Cafe, Sky-Map and GoogleEarth (KMZ file here) all work.

Where Can I Find Orbital Elements for Celestia or Stellarium?:

Here:

http://astroblogger.blogspot.com/2011/0 ... a-and.html

Where Can I Find Images of Elenin?:

http://gustavomuler.fotografiaastronomi ... 08-J47.jpg

http://gustavomuler.fotografiaastronomi ... 19-J47.jpg

http://martinmobberley.co.uk/images/201 ... 20_mpm.jpg

I have Photographed/ Seen a Photograph of a Double Sun, is this Elenin?:

It’s lens flare.

Tue Jul 26, 2011 9:37 pm » by **Tuor10**

slamgunshark wrote:
slamgunshark wrote:NO MORE FEAR, THIS IS FACT! 100%

If you understand distance, temperature, gravity effects, and mass, you should know that there is absolutely nothing to worry about.

So here it is, the debunking of debunking to go for the 2 articles today spreading fear about why you should fear Elenin. I know there is going to be some haters, maybe some doubters, but for the most part it is going to be the ones who said "I TOLD YOU SO" who will laugh at you, so are you prepared for that? are you ready to be mocked when this thing flies by and you look like a jackass? or are you ready to accept that you are buying into fear?

Worried About Comet Elenin? FAQs from Ian Musgrave

http://www.universetoday.com/87619/worr ... -musgrave/

Orbit of Comet C/2010 X1 Elenin (red) visualised with Celestia, showing Elenin at closest approach to Earth. Image courtesy of Ian Musgrave

Will Comet Elenin Hit Earth?:

No, its closest approach is 0.23 AU on Oct 16, 2011, where 1 AU is the distance from the Earth to the Sun. To put this in perspective, this is only a little closer than the closest approach of Venus to Earth, and roughly 100 times the distance from the Earth to the Moon. This distance is from the latest MPEC ephemeris which is based on over 100 observations from multiple observatories that have been continuously tracking the comet, so it won’t change appreciably.

Surely if Elenin Was Going to Hit the Earth NASA/the Government Would Hush it Up?

Which government? The Australian Government, the UK Government? The Italian Government? The South African Government? Amateur astronomers world wide are following this comet and continually talking to each other. The have the programs to work out where the comet is going. If the comet was coming anywhere near us, the amateur community would be first to know, and there is no keeping them quite. Consider how wide spread the information is about Apophis, which is a real, if extremely marginal, hazard.

Will it Cause Earthquakes, Abnormally High Tides or Other Disasters:

No, Elenin is a mere 3-5 kilometres across and has less than a billionth of the tidal force of the Moon at closest approach (as well as a negligible magnetic field). If the Moon can’t cause the poles to tip, cause massive tidal floods or earthquakes, Comet 2010 X1 Elenin won’t. We’ve been closer to other comets before with no ill effect.

But What About Mensur Omerbashich’s Paper that Says Elenin is Causing Earthquakes?

It shows nothing of the sort, earthquakes are no more common during comet alignments than at any other time.

But it’s bigger than Jupiter!:

No, that’s the coma , the thin haze of gas and dust that surrounds the comet nucleus. The nucleus of C/2010 X1 Elenin is roughly 3-4 Km in diameter and Elenin has a coma around 50,000 km wide at the time of writing (which is a third of the diameter of Jupiter). The average density of the coma is about the same as the density of the atmosphere on the Moon. A coma is a feature of all comets that approach the Sun closely, for example comet 81P Wild (nucleus 4 Km diameter) had a coma of 50,000 Km and 103P Hartley had a coma of 150,000 Km. The Great Comet of 1811 had a nucleus of around 30km in diameter and had a coma nearly as big as the Sun. Comet Halley is 6×15 km and had a coma 100,000 km wide when it last approached Earth. We survived them all (and 103P Hartley came nearly twice as close as Elenin will), and we will survive Elenin without incident.

But I Can See a Picture of it in WikiSky, it’s HUGE!:

That is the carbon star CW Leonis.

Is Elenin a Moon of a Brown Dwarf Star?:

No.

But Brown Dwarf Stars are so Cold, you Can’t See Them.:

No, coldest detected so far is ~370K (about the temperature of a hot cup of tea), the the warmest are around 2200 K, and most range between 500-1000 K. They may not produce much visible light, but they reflect light. Jupiter has a composition similar to those of Drown Dwarf stars. Jupiter’s cloud tops are a chilly 128 K and it reflects light just fine. Any Brown Dwarf in the inner solar system would be painfully obvious.

Will Going Through the Comets Tail Affect Us?:

No, should the rather small tail of Elenin actually pass over us, it’s doing a pretty good imitation of a vacuum (about 100 atoms per cm3). We have been through bigger and denser comet tails before with no effect whatsoever (especially the Great Comet of 1861).

Why isn’t Comet Elenin in the News?:

For the same reason that the other 16 comets discovered in 2010 didn’t get in the news, or the 5 comets discovered in 2011. They are all dim. The News is only interested in comets that are spectacular, readily visible to the unaided eye or are being visited by spacecraft. Comet 2009 P1 will be as bright, if not brighter than C/2010 X1 Elenin, but that’s not in the news either. Amateur and professional astronomers are watching comet Elenin and others avidly, but the news channels don’t care about our obsessions with faint fuzzies.

Why Can’t I Find Information of Elenin at the NASA Website?:

Because NASA is not the arbiter of all things astronomical. You won’t find information on C/2009 P1, C/2011 C1 or any of the faint comets discovered during 2010 and 2011. NASA does have information of comets that its spacecraft have visited, or are interesting in some other way, but it’s not an exhaustive comet site like Cometography or Aerith.

(editor’s note, NASA and JPL’s Near Earth Object Office did publish an article about Comet Elenin in May, 2011, which can be found at this link, confirming it will safely fly past Earth.)

I Saw Comet Elenin Near the Sun in August 2010/Now: In August 2010 only really powerful telescopes could see Elenin.:

You saw Venus. If you are seeing something bright near the Sun in the morning sky now, it’s Venus.

How Can I Tell What IS in the Sky and Avoid The Venus Confusion?:

For freeware standalone programs there is Cartes du Ciel and Stellarium (my favourite). For Web based solutions Skyview Cafe, Sky-Map and GoogleEarth (KMZ file here) all work.

Where Can I Find Orbital Elements for Celestia or Stellarium?:

Here:

http://astroblogger.blogspot.com/2011/0 ... a-and.html

Where Can I Find Images of Elenin?:

http://gustavomuler.fotografiaastronomi ... 08-J47.jpg

http://gustavomuler.fotografiaastronomi ... 19-J47.jpg

http://martinmobberley.co.uk/images/201 ... 20_mpm.jpg

I have Photographed/ Seen a Photograph of a Double Sun, is this Elenin?:

It’s lens flare.

Quality information.
I just wish some would just take the time to read it.
All this doom shit is getting on my nerves now.
If it happens it happens.

Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:03 pm » by **Symbolon**

All this fear mongering regarding Elenin is nothing but nonsense. Not a single shred of evidence exists (not bad science!) that Elenin will absolutely pose a threat to the Earth.

So, what about Vesta? Vesta is much much bigger than Elenin. Vesta is 530 kilometers (330 miles) in diameter and the second most massive object in the asteroid belt and on the 16th of July the asteroid will about 188 million kilometers (117 million miles) from Earth. Now, that IS a planet killer. So far, I have not heard a single person doom mongering about that!