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PostMon Sep 16, 2013 12:17 pm » by Opalserpent


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Opalserpent wrote:I agree, the disclose forum has a good balance now.

Nothing is going to stop the Wesley Clark doctrine rape train from occurring.

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I dissagree RatrodRob, he can be trusted more so then any elite satanist that
thinks of us the people as useless eaters.

The fact that Putin already postponed WW3 should win him a nobel peace prize.

No offense man but why can't we trust Putin. It's okay, I know you

read mainstream media, Who cares if he's x KGB, you have to understand

how evil works and he understands it well enough to hold the most powerful

banker owned military force in the world at bay from commiting more war crimes.

Cmon RatRod, how is Iraq going? Libya? Afghanistan? Pakistan? Yemen?

were is Putin?

Once again, what has Putin done to deserve this distrust you speak off?

How can we trust our leaders that support perpetual war and debt enslavement

and weed prohibition?



Hey RatRodRob, remember when those israeli's a couple years ago were running
around with Australian passports murdering people under our name?

I suppose you think we can trust those israeli tennis playing assassins with

Australian passports more then Putin?


I only see mossad crawlng all over our shores, not KGB man.

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Thanks for your reply, I would rather you tell me straight how you see stuff, so its ok to tell me your differences.
In a quickie, Putin has been responsible for bad shit, he looks like the good guy now and I accept that, but its not Putin's time right now, if he would benefit better by letting things get all pear shaped, then he would be just as tyrannical as the rest, just alittle more cunning and not out there like Obama etc.

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Thanks for not becoming enraged at my frankness.

If you can google me some stuff about what Putin has done

thats so bad then maybe I can agree with you but untill then

I have not seen any solid evidence of wrong doing from Putin.


Hey I bet you thought this bloke was a peace loving zionist:


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These pyscho's have been funding cia death squads in foreign countries since time began.
It must be nearly time to post some video's on cia whistle blowers again and their testimony
on past U.S. transgressions against innocent governments.



I just had a quick look at the article willease posted saying how evil Putin is
because he is a product of the soviet unions secret police.

Laughable at best since it provides no evidence of wrong doing.

So what if they tortured and worked people to death in gulags.

I believe america has secret torture prisons now torturing people
against the geneva convention? And kidnapping people illegally.

An Australian citizen was kidnapped and tortured by U.S. forces
and left to die in the mountains however he survived and came
back to Australia where he was awarded millions after he threatened to
sue the puppet representative government here but was told to keep quite
and was paid off.
The U.S. forces also sodomised him Ratrodrob. An Australian Citizen. So what
if he was of muslim background. The evidence against him was falsified too.

Did you know about that one, Shall i google it for you?

I believe america illegally drone bombs entire weddings of arabs
to kill one person and then says that the rest were collateral damage.

I believe americans have tested radioactive substances on entire
poor black communities and perpetrated sickening MK ultra U.K. style
mind control experiments on people and perhaps do till this
day as evidenced by the young mass shooters who appear at the
press of the button to help promote gun control.


So far the only thing Lamestream media can do is point out Putins
KGB history and their connection to the soviet era.

It's not Putins fault he makes obama and his buddies look bad.
They do that themselves by arming terrorists to overthrow nations
that aren't compliant with their interests.

Supplying Iraq with chemical weapons then saying nothing when iraq
gassed thousands of iranians says how opportunistic americans are.

Any laws stopping insider trading at the whitehouse yet?



I suggest studying the PNAC and friends to see the roundtable of evil at work.
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PostMon Sep 16, 2013 5:14 pm » by *WillEase*


Opalserpent wrote:LOLZ, sorry to flame you Willease. LOLZ.

Got to love the freedom of speech we have. Have a nice day man. LOLZ.

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Still, this website caters for alternative views to mainstream news reality. :cheers:
And we can both enjoy a good argument though I haven't had many recently anymore. :cry:


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PostMon Sep 16, 2013 5:29 pm » by *WillEase*


Published on Sep 16, 2013

What is at stake for Tehran as Washington deals with Syria? Is Obama genuinely interested in diplomacy? And could the dreadful conflict in Syria be used as a means to take on Iran? CrossTalking with Mohammad Marandi and Faheem Younus.


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PostTue Sep 17, 2013 1:54 am » by *WillEase*



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United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon has presented the Security Council with a report by a team of U.N. chemical weapons experts that shows gas-filled munitions were used in Syria.
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PostTue Sep 17, 2013 2:04 am » by *WillEase*



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A Turkish fighter jet shot down a Syrian military helicopter on Monday after it entered Turkish airspace and ignored warnings to leave, an official said. The helicopter crashed back inside Syria after being hit by missiles.
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PostTue Sep 17, 2013 10:19 pm » by *WillEase*


Published on Sep 17, 2013

As the UN Independent Commission on Syria releases yet another report, one thing is painfully clear: both sides have committed countless war crimes and atrocities, with no end in sight to the hostilities. How independent and impartial can the Commission be, with so much at stake? Vitit Muntarbhorn, one of the authors of the report, joins Oksana in this special edition of Worlds Apart.


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PostWed Sep 18, 2013 11:23 am » by Opalserpent


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A Turkish fighter jet shot down a Syrian military helicopter on Monday after it entered Turkish airspace and ignored warnings to leave, an official said. The helicopter crashed back inside Syria after being hit by missiles.



LOLZ, the helicopter crashed back inside SYRIA!!! LOLZ, obviously the jet used some special powers to throw the helicopter back over the border or alternatively the helicopter was in it's own territory and as
I've shown before the border with turkey is run by rebels, Syria only controls the borders with iraq and iran fully. I believe the syrians were trying to take back their border posts but ofcourse
turkey the scum bags have given air support to the rebels with god knows what this time?
A tactical nuke who knows what the U.S. and israel and saudi arabia and england would give them next.\


This is a fcuked up situation, just when I thought peace was near it's actually never stopped it's
pace.


He's some relief atleast, Putin as he says has aces up his sleave and the are fully operation highly accurate hypersonic missiles like the sunburn.
Lets not forget about the underwater torpedeos that are not talked about that travel at incredible speeds thanks to an air bubble created at the front of it with a special shape of the nose required.

We need Putin more then EVER!!!!!!!! :nwo:

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PostWed Sep 18, 2013 12:25 pm » by Opalserpent


Sorry for the bad spelling and irrelevance of this post.

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The sad thing is the nice man says that we should dump obama at the end but it doesn't matter in your land, it's like the media shutting out ron paul and even obstruction of his caucus to ensure he could not win.

Obama will just be replaced by the next fortune seeker, soul selling puppet.

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PostWed Sep 18, 2013 4:20 pm » by *WillEase*


The Danger of Russia Taking the Lead in Syria
September 18, 2013 • From theTrumpet.com
Russia has made plans to disarm Assad, but what are the real consequences?
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Russia has stepped forward with a solution to the chemical weapons in Syria. In doing so, it has humiliated, outmaneuvered and weakened the United States, while bolstering its allies in the region. The diplomatic ploy has, in one swift action, moved Washington from a game changer to a side-note.

It started on August 9, when U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry spoke on the possibility of disarming Syrian President Bashar al Assad, who is reportedly responsible for the egregious chemical weapons attacks. A stern-faced Kerry said Assad “could turn over every single bit of his chemical weapons to the international community in the next week. Turn it over, all of it, without delay and allow a full and total accounting for that. But he isn’t about to do it and it can’t be done obviously.”

Whether Kerry was giving a rhetorical argument or not, Russia saw an opportunity and seized it. The Kremlin quickly came forward with a plan to remove all of the chemical weapons stockpiles from Syria. Not only that, the Syrian regime agreed to the Russian proposal.

The first and immediate consequence of Russia’s actions was to humiliate Kerry. Of course, the statements made by the secretary of state are only true if the U.S. handles the disarmament. However, when Russia—a strong ally of Assad—steps in, the situation appears entirely different. The Syrians are happy to negotiate when Russia is in charge. It seems that as soon as the U.S. says a diplomatic solution “can’t be done,” the Russians step in and say it can.

This leads to problems far worse than the U.S. being made to look silly. It forces the U.S. into inaction. The international community wouldn’t condone a military strike on Syria if Russia said it had a viable solution that was backed by the Assad regime. The timing of the announcement was perfect. Announced right before President Obama was set to speak on the issue, it likely forced massive revisions to what the President planned to say. As the New York Times wrote, “In a speech that only 48 hours [beforehand] was going to be solely a call to arms, Mr. Obama instead offered a qualified endorsement of a proposal that his own advisers conceded was rife with risk, given Russia’s steadfast refusal to agree to any previous measures to pressure Syria, its longtime ally.”

The U.S. may not like the deal, or even think it will work, but a military option is far less popular among the masses. America is war-weary and doesn’t want to be embroiled in another Middle East conflict. The Obama administration had little choice but to delay talk of war, and instead allow Russia time to expound on its plan.

This in turn buys Assad more time. If the U.S. had been thinking about finally intervening, action was once more put on hold. Time has been ticking by since the day Assad attacked his people with chemical weapons on August 21. The U.S. is yet to respond. The latest delay will only bolster Assad’s position, and reaffirm the idea that he can do as he pleases without fear of American response.

One of the major changes this Russian disarmament deal has brought on is giving Assad the ability to participate in negotiations. Only a few days before the Russian plan, Assad’s viewpoint was out of the picture. The U.S. looked set to act, regardless of what Assad was doing or saying. Now the U.S. has stalled its plans so it can see if Assad is genuine about agreeing to remove the chemical weapons.

Assad suddenly has much more negotiating power than he previously did. The immediate conditions from Assad were obvious: Assurances that the U.S. wouldn’t intervene and the cessation of all U.S. military aid to the rebels. However, the negotiations have barely begun. There are already suggestions that Assad will require Israel to give up its nuclear arsenal before it gives up its own chemical weapons stockpile. While this might never come about, it will still serve as an arguing point, eating up more time, delaying any U.S. action.

Negotiating disarmament with dictators isn’t a simple process. Look at Iran. For years the Iranians have been steadily working towards obtaining nuclear weapons. The negotiations between Iran and those who would wish to see its nuclear program stopped have achieved little and allowed Iran to continue its nuclear development.

In the same radio interview in which he implied that he wants Israel to disarm simultaneously, Assad insisted that his decision to come to the negotiating table had nothing to do with the U.S., but was because of Syria’s longstanding ally, Russia.

This might give some people hope of progress in the disarmament process, but consider: Even if concessions were made quickly, an arduous task of cataloging and seizing all the weapons would begin. In times of peace, this would be hard enough. The fact that the nation is still in civil war means the process would take a long time, with the likelihood of inaccurate counts. Finding the various caches strewn across the nation would be a serious challenge. Once again, all this buys time for Assad to strengthen his hold on power.

The fact is that negotiating takes time. The longer the Assad regime can stall any sort of action by the West, the greater the probability that it will walk away free from punishment over the killing of at least 1,400 civilians with chemical weapons.

Iran also benefits from the situation. U.S. inaction in Syria would be comforting to the Iranian government. After all, if the U.S. won’t act against Syria using wmd, why then would it act against Iran? Iran can also take comfort in the fact that its “Shia crescent” will remain intact for the foreseeable future. Under Assad, Syria is a staunch supporter of Iranian policies, and a crucial link between Iran and Lebanon. http://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/crt/2011/195547.htm

But the real winner in this is Russia.

Up to this point, the U.S. has taken the lead in Syria. It was the U.S. that tried to take the lead in negotiations. It was the U.S. that offered possible solutions. It was the U.S. that posed the greatest threat to Assad. It was the U.S. that held the ultimate power to swing the civil war one way or the other. Then, the U.S. suddenly ran out of non-military options and Russia stepped out of the shadows with one of its own.

This is a game changer. When the U.S. accepted the Russian deal, it stepped to the side and allowed the Kremlin to take the lead.

Now Russia is heading the negotiations, offering the solutions and dictating the policies in Syria. And America is just letting it happen.

Russia has played its hand well. It knows that the American population is war-weary and largely opposed to a conflict in Syria. Vladimir Putin even wrote an op-ed piece for the New York Times in which he expressed his desire for a peaceful solution to the Syrian crisis. The article, dripping with hypocrisy, was an instant success. As Trumpet columnist Joel Hilliker wrote:

These are bold statements from the man who invaded Georgia just five years ago (without UN permission). The man who has ordered the elimination of tens of thousands of Chechens. The man who has openly supported Iran despite its sponsoring terrorism. The man whose backing of the Syrian regime, in fact, is a major reason Assad has been so willing to slaughter his opposition by the thousands. Don’t be hasty to use force, he tells America. And the New York Times considers his advice sage and fit to print.


What Putin has done is take the driver’s seat on the Syria issue. He has blocked every attempt at peaceful negotiations through the UN, and now, when everyone else is out of options or patience, he steps in with his own plan.

The U.S. is playing a dangerous game by allowing the Russians, its enemy, to take control of the situation. Russia most definitely doesn’t have Washington’s best interests at heart, or those of the opposition forces in Syria. Russia can hide its intentions behind smooth words in the New York Times, but the consequences of Russian control of the disarming of Assad cannot be overstated.

Regardless of the success of the deal, Syria is set to see some more dramatic twists and turns as Bible prophecy continues to unfold in the region. There is one prophecy that will be even more shocking than Russia taking the lead in the nation. Psalm 83 speaks about the Hagarenes—the people who once dwelled in what is today Syria—being in an alliance with Assyria, which is modern Germany! A shocking, yet irrefutable prophecy!

Russian dominance in Syria may appear to be a game changer today, but the broader scope of Bible prophecy says that neither Russia nor America will control Syria. Syria will be under a European influence.

That said, it is no excuse to brush off what Russia is doing. The Kremlin is undermining the U.S. and rapidly reducing American power in the region. It won’t be long until the U.S. is completely sidelined from the world scene as rising powers such as Russia, Iran and Germany come to the fore.

If you want to read Putin’s hypocritical and condescending speech, read “A Plea for Caution From Russia.” If you want to read the truth behind his words, read “Should America Listen to Vladimir Putin?
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PostFri Sep 20, 2013 7:33 am » by *WillEase*



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Published on Sep 19, 2013

The Syrian regime is again moving around its stockpile of chemical weapons, leaving the United States trying to figure out what Bashar al-Assad will do next with his deadly arsenal.

CNN has learned that the U.S. intelligence community is closely watching the latest development as diplomatic efforts continue around forging a plan for al-Assad to relinquish those stockpiles to international control.

Obama administration officials at two agencies said the movement took place in recent days -- since United States and Russia agreed on September 14 to a timetable for Syria to declare its chemical weapons inventory and then give them up.

"There is activity at known chemical weapons storage sites," one official said. "What is unclear is whether they are moving them to consolidate the stockpile and then declare it, or are they moving it around to conceal it" in advance of reporting it to international inspectors.

U.S. satellites have observed truck convoys moving in and out of storage sites, but the ongoing intelligence challenge involves knowing where the trucks are headed and exactly what they are carrying, that official added.

"Call us skeptical" of Syrian intentions, the other official said.

Both asked to remain anonymous due to the sensitive nature of the information.

While Syria previously moved chemical stockpiles around apparently to avoid the risk of them falling into the hands of rebels, this time the motivation is not clear.

One official confirmed the Obama administration has received specific information in recent months from Russia that the chemical weapons are secure. That assessment came from communications between Moscow and Damascus.

But the U.S. intelligence community also has continued to use satellite imagery, intercepts and human sources on the ground inside Syria to develop its own picture.

At this point, the United States has no reason to believe the weapons are not secure. But as CNN previously reported, there is also disagreement within the intelligence community about whether the United States knows the location of the entire stockpile.
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