New Bill empowers president to 'shut down' Internet!

[Mep630 Profile]

lol you know if they shut down the internet that would probably be the worst thing they could do! Think of how many pissed off people there would be, with noting to do! That sounds like a bad mix for the NWO, lol.

[Darkplanet Profile]

Give the extreme liberals control of the nation - which is what they now have, and they will mandate across the globe, to insure "political correctness" by any means.

Barking up the wrong tree again, I think (or at least the wrong branch).
So, the Bushmen were on the opposite side when it came to curtailing freedom of speech?
If it's a global non-partisan plot, how does this argument hold water?
And you think Obama is an extreme liberal? Shit, I wish he was...

Thanks cornbread By far my favorite quote of the day is...

And you think Obama is an extreme liberal? Shit, I wish he was...

I think you'd find a resounding agreement on that point from all of us "extremist liberals". Obama is not nearly as extremist as he should be. If he was, there would be a whole lot of people in jail right now for the crap they pulled over the last 8 years.

[Kyo121 Profile]

didn't someone on forum said something about if it ever comes to privacy and personal liberty obama would be all over it to stop it from happening?......or did i mistake in understanding what was posted.

[Spock Profile]

Barking up the wrong tree again, I think (or at least the wrong branch).
So, the Bushmen were on the opposite side when it came to curtailing freedom of speech?

Nope I didn't say that - but what I did insinuate is that this new administration is going to go way over the top with the stiffling of freedoms - and they will sell it to people.

If it's a global non-partisan plot, how does this argument hold water?

Just look at what is going on in the U.S. these days - this is unprecedented. And it can not be blamed on Bush - even though it will be be. Again - I ask you to look at the chart on spending I posted a week or so ago.

And you think Obama is an extreme liberal? Shit, I wish he was...

Not everyone is a liberal - and liberals have to consider that we don't want a liberal dictatorship. Texas took the first step in saying "Hell No". So my suggestion would be to never move to Texas if you don't agree with that, I love the fact that if the whole of the states falls apart - there is a place I can move and feel right at home. But I'm sure South Carolina is going to do the same thing.

So, no disrespect CornBread, you have to understand that just because we are not liberals, does not make us the terrorists, the terrorists have taken over Washington.

Yes, our constitution is worth fighting for.o a welfare state.

[Cornbread714 Profile]

Barking up the wrong tree again, I think (or at least the wrong branch).
So, the Bushmen were on the opposite side when it came to curtailing freedom of speech?

Nope I didn't say that - but what I did insinuate is that this new administration is going to go way over the top with the stiffling of freedoms - and they will sell it to people.

If it's a global non-partisan plot, how does this argument hold water?

Just look at what is going on in the U.S. these days - this is unprecedented. And it can not be blamed on Bush - even though it will be be. Again - I ask you to look at the chart on spending I posted a week or so ago.

And you think Obama is an extreme liberal? Shit, I wish he was...

Not everyone is a liberal - and liberals have to consider that we don't want a liberal dictatorship. Texas took the first step in saying "Hell No". So my suggestion would be to never move to Texas if you don't agree with that, I love the fact that if the whole of the states falls apart - there is a place I can move and feel right at home. But I'm sure South Carolina is going to do the same thing.

So, no disrespect CornBread, you have to understand that just because we are not liberals, does not make us the terrorists, the terrorists have taken over Washington.

Yes, our constitution is worth fighting for.

What water are you asking me to hold? I'm not clear on that? I don't subscribe to the ideal that Bush is the Satan everyone made him out to be - and Obama is not the saviour. I hold out that Obama is trying to turn our country into a welfare state.

Hah, Spock, I'm a native-born Texan and a registered voter there, even though I live in Holland. I do support states rights, and yes, I'm what most people would label a liberal.
It's interesting how these definitions blur, are you aware of what the term 'liberal' used to mean?
Welfare state? Hmm... I gotta chew on that for a minute

[Spock Profile]

Well maybe I don't know, according to your definition of it.

I have many democrat friends (that are not liberal), and I have 2 children that are democrat (1 is liberal because he doesn't have a clue - just goes with the MTV crowd and thinks he knows everything).

When I think liberal I think of huge government over-taxing through any means possible to create what they see as a Utopia of equality - regardless of what people put into the system.

I also see them as being so politically correct that they would kick their own people in the face to serve the "rights" of illegal aliens - while these illegals don't put anything back into the system through taxes.

They want to punish people, through taxes, for making exorbitant profits (what they define as exorbitant) all the while making sure their pockets have been sufficiently lined with the fruits of serving as a representative of the people.

The epitomy of liberals going after each other (to a laughable extent) is the whole Governor Rod Bagovich affair. It's like when hyaenas turn on one of their own and eat them. And it's all about corruption.

Also the election - what would you people have said if we had jumped up and down screaming that the election was fixed because Obama won. You would have called us crazy - but that is exactly what you guys did in the last elections. And there is even proof of ACORN and voting fraud for Obama.

There is a laundry list of things I disagree with democrats on, but when it comes to liberalism, it's not that I disagree, it's that I abhore.

It really depends on each individual subject.

[Cornbread714 Profile]

1 is liberal because he doesn't have a clue - just goes with the MTV crowd and thinks he knows everything

My favorite quote of the day. I'm imagining Archie Bunker and Meathead.

OK, Spock, this discussion leads towards a whole lot of interesting directions.

First, I'd like to explore the term liberal:

Wikipedia definition:
Liberalism is a broad class of political philosophies that considers individual liberty and equality to be the most important political goals.

Liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. Within liberalism, there are various streams of thought which compete over the use of the term "liberal" and may propose very different policies, but they are generally united by their support for constitutional liberalism, which encompasses support for: freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, an individual's right to private property, and a transparent system of government. All liberals, as well as some adherents of other political ideologies, support some variant of the form of government known as liberal democracy, with open and fair elections, where all citizens have equal rights by law.

Mirriam-Webster dictionary:
: of, favoring, or based upon the principles of liberalism : of or constituting a political party advocating or associated with the principles of political liberalism ; especially : of or constituting a political party in the United Kingdom associated with ideals of individual especially economic freedom, greater individual participation in government, and constitutional, political, and administrative reforms designed to secure these objectives

So, my first question is, Spock: how do these definitions fit in with your definition of a liberal?
Any resemblance?