New job for drones

Thu Mar 04, 2010 7:38 am » by **sockpuppet**

http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20100303/ts_csm/284491

Washington – The Air Force will expand the number of unmanned drone aircraft flying over the skies of Afghanistan and Iraq in the next three years, as a result of commanders' demand for digital images useful in hunting down enemy forces.

By 2011, the Air Force will be flying as many as 50 drones, or combat air patrols in the war zones, and by 2013 that number will jump to 65, say Air Force officials. Currently there are 40.

The appetite for drone aircraft stems not only from the planes' ability to conduct airstrikes on terrorist targets and provide surveillance imagery for intelligence experts to hunt insurgents or those who plant roadside bombs, but also from unexpected uses.

Drone aircraft, also known as “unmanned aerial vehicles,” are popular among commanders who want to know more about a specific area in Afghanistan or Iraq in which they are operating. By capturing images, the drones help soldiers determine how many houses there have power, for example, or where roads are, and other “quality of life” data.

The imagery can be used, for instance, to show what farmers are growing, and whether their activity is above-board or illegal, notes one intelligence officer.

“For Afghanistan, for example, every day we’re analyzing imagery that includes the need to distinguish between normal agriculture and poppy production, and in Iraq to distinguish between plastics production or concrete batching and homemade explosives production,” says the officer, who spoke on the condition of anonymity so he could speak freely about intelligence matters.

Air Force Secretary Michael Donley acknowledged that his service is shifting toward increasing use of drones, which are must-haves for many commanders.

â€œOne thing that has happened in these conflicts that I think is a little bit irreversible is the expectation of combatant commanders for situational awareness 24/7/365; that appetite has been established and I do not see that changing,â€

The Air Force counts each drone mission as what's known as a "combat air patrol." Each patrol, or "CAP," actually requires two more drones to allow the service to maintain continuous coverage: while one drone is flying, one more is being prepared to fly and one more has just returned from a mission.

Just a few years ago, drones occupied only a fraction of the airspace over Iraq and Afghanistan, much to the chagrin of Defense Secretary Robert Gates, who wanted to institutionalize the capability within the Pentagon and the Air Force, in particular. Mr. Gates at one point said it was like “pulling teeth” to get the Air Force to respond to the demand of today’s wars and to field platforms such as drones. Now, planes like the MQ-1 Predator or the MQ-9 Reaper are far more ubiquitous, and the demand for their imagery isn’t going away.

The Air Force is moving in the right direction, says one expert.

“The availability of surveillance drones and attack drones has grown by leaps and bounds over the last few years,” says Loren Thompson, chief operating officer of the Lexington Institute, a public policy group. Mr. Thompson says that despite the demand, drones will have “saturated” the airspace in the coming years.

Thu Mar 04, 2010 2:08 pm » by **Svaha**

I like all these technical gadgets, but there is a great danger attached to this.
Everything that can go wrong will go wrong at some point, and 'we' always miss some things, the more complicated a machine is.
The collateral damage of these drones is enormous and will increase if you sent in more (because your troops are no longer willing to fight a useless war - that's the real reason I think)
Collateral damage doesn't sound that bad, murder of hundreds of innocent people is more appropriate.
And this will backfire in a big way, if innocent people are murdered don't be surprised that innocent people will be murdered in the country that sent those murder machines.

Thu Mar 04, 2010 2:18 pm » by **Nihilgeist**

svaha wrote:I like all these technical gadgets, but there is a great danger attached to this.
Everything that can go wrong will go wrong at some point, and 'we' always miss some things, the more complicated a machine is.
The collateral damage of these drones is enormous and will increase if you sent in more (because your troops are no longer willing to fight a useless war - that's the real reason I think)
Collateral damage doesn't sound that bad, murder of hundreds of innocent people is more appropriate.
And this will backfire in a big way, if innocent people are murdered don't be surprised that innocent people will be murdered in the country that sent those murder machines.

It's better than carpet bombing their country back to the stone age...oh wait they already are in the stone age.

Thu Mar 04, 2010 2:46 pm » by **Svaha**

Haha yes, that's an advantage in the near future, they're already used to it and probably will be waiting at the door of the bunkers for the ones that sent the drones.

Thu Mar 04, 2010 6:13 pm » by **sockpuppet**

I am afraid the 2020 census will be taken using drones the size of dragonflies.

Thu Mar 04, 2010 6:29 pm » by **Pindz**

ALL OF YOU HERE IN THIS THREAD ARE BRAINWASHED MONKEYS.

DRONES ARE UNACCEPTABLE. WAR IS UNACCEPTABLE.

Thu Mar 04, 2010 7:25 pm » by **Mep630**

it is all fun and games and all good until they start flying over your house and start dropping hellfire missiles on your neighbors...

SO many times in human history, PEOPLE SIT BACK and do watch people get abused, and do nothing because it is not in their back yard, only to find out that later on it is eventually turned on them.

I dont condone war, torture, or any of this drone attacks for the simple fact, that sooner or later this stuff will start hitting closer to home. It will start out has homeland security and end up being big brother.

Thu Mar 04, 2010 7:27 pm » by **Mep630**

pindz wrote:ALL OF YOU HERE IN THIS THREAD ARE BRAINWASHED MONKEYS.

DRONES ARE UNACCEPTABLE. WAR IS UNACCEPTABLE.

Pindz you should try a softer approach with people. Being so tough on everyone causes more division then you realize.

Divide and Conquer is the oldest trick in the book...

United we stand, divided we fall...

(Oh anb by the way watch 'THEY LIVE' again and see if you can pick out all the hidden clues! I been going over this movie and it is crazy how much hits home with today like Carpenter knew the plan. Very strange...

Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:37 pm » by **Svaha**

pindz wrote:ALL OF YOU HERE IN THIS THREAD ARE BRAINWASHED MONKEYS.

DRONES ARE UNACCEPTABLE. WAR IS UNACCEPTABLE.

You haven't read what I wrote or you didn't understand what I wrote.
Is my English that bad?

[edit] I was pointing at this : http://www.google.nl/#hl=nl&source=hp&q ... fac23400ef [/edit]