New Standard Procedure in Schools?

[Seahawk Profile]

This happened on the 5th, but I just now noticed it. Seems this kind of thing is an almost daily occurrence these days, in the U.S.

What sort of shocked me, although I guess it shouldn't, is what I saw in this video at 1:15. Is this to be a new standard in schools in "handling" these situations?

Maybe it should, I don't know, but it instantly reminded me of footage of POWs after capture, in foreign lands. Now, we see it in American schools, with our kids. Wow.

I was just wondering how others feel about it. Should we get used to it? What would you do in these situations? Do you think that this is the way it should be handled? If not, then how?

Is it ridiculous that I found this shocking?

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[Zegtelzegtel Profile]

This happened on the 5th, but I just now noticed it. Seems this kind of thing is an almost daily occurrence these days, in the U.S.

What sort of shocked me, although I guess it shouldn't, is what I saw in this video at 1:15. Is this to be a new standard in schools in "handling" these situations?

Maybe it should, I don't know, but it instantly reminded me of footage of POWs after capture, in foreign lands. Now, we see it in American schools, with our kids. Wow.

I was just wondering how others feel about it. Should we get used to it? What would you do in these situations? Do you think that this is the way it should be handled? If not, then how?

Is it ridiculous that I found this shocking?

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It's like ''this school is now on lockdown''..
I hear this word all the time, I still don't know the exact meaning is...

[Constabul Profile]

A lot of it started in columbine in 99, as to the procedures to be followed when either a active shooter or person with a weapon is reported.
The general gist is the school, on lockdown means each class stays in their rooms till the threat is stopped, or the person with a gun is found, or issue resolved.

If as in this example, it is just a report of an armed suspect. They must clear the school. The move in and start a sweep, not giving away to much there are a few different stages. That eventually leads to evacuation. Vary time consuming.

If you look back to columbine, they had all the resources one could imagine or want. That just waited. The two active shooters ended up killing themselves. When a little more direct method might have prevented some deaths. The way in which columbine was evacuated created some other issues, children being exposed to dead classmates, and possible additional shooting, by law enforcement, who were at the time unaware of the status or appearance of the shooters, who might try to use the confusion of a Rush to escape, to make their escape, or kill more people.

In the way it has developed since then, tries to remove that wait period, tries to organize the chaos that ensues, and tries to keep the kids safe.
Parents let loose to run in grab their kids, etc. Presents a number of logistical problems.

Due to the current media blitz of anything gun related, the occasions to see these things in action have increased.
About a couple months ago, at the community college i was taking some classes at, we had a lockdown situation. It was a hunter near the campus. we were on lockdown till that individual was found, and the nature of the disturbance determined. We could have been there much longer.
As it seems in this case. That it was a report, and no one was caught, or confronted.

Hope that helps.

[Seahawk Profile]

It's like ''this school is now on lockdown''..
I hear this word all the time, I still don't know the exact meaning is...

lock·down
[lok-doun]
noun

1. the confining of prisoners to their cells, as following a riot or other disturbance.

2. a security measure taken during an emergency to prevent people from leaving or entering a building: The school remains under lockdown due to police activity in the area.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/lockdown?s=t

So, in this case, it's a combination of the two definitions.

[Zegtelzegtel Profile]

A lot of it started in columbine in 99, as to the procedures to be followed when either a active shooter or person with a weapon is reported.
The general gist is the school, on lockdown means each class stays in their rooms till the threat is stopped, or the person with a gun is found, or issue resolved.

If as in this example, it is just a report of an armed suspect. They must clear the school. The move in and start a sweep, not giving away to much there are a few different stages. That eventually leads to evacuation. Vary time consuming.

If you look back to columbine, they had all the resources one could imagine or want. That just waited. The two active shooters ended up killing themselves. When a little more direct method might have prevented some deaths. The way in which columbine was evacuated created some other issues, children being exposed to dead classmates, and possible additional shooting, by law enforcement, who were at the time unaware of the status or appearance of the shooters, who might try to use the confusion of a Rush to escape, to make their escape, or kill more people.

In the way it has developed since then, tries to remove that wait period, tries to organize the chaos that ensues, and tries to keep the kids safe.
Parents let loose to run in grab their kids, etc. Presents a number of logistical problems.

Due to the current media blitz of anything gun related, the occasions to see these things in action have increased.
About a couple months ago, at the community college i was taking some classes at, we had a lockdown situation. It was a hunter near the campus. we were on lockdown till that individual was found, and the nature of the disturbance determined. We could have been there much longer.
As it seems in this case. That it was a report, and no one was caught, or confronted.

Hope that helps.

Exactly what I needed thanks for that Constabul...I was hoping to have some reply like that

Must be a terrorizing situation....waiting in the classrooms knowing there is something out there...
are the classrooms locked??

[Zegtelzegtel Profile]

It's like ''this school is now on lockdown''..
I hear this word all the time, I still don't know the exact meaning is...

lock·down
[lok-doun]
noun

1. the confining of prisoners to their cells, as following a riot or other disturbance.

2. a security measure taken during an emergency to prevent people from leaving or entering a building: The school remains under lockdown due to police activity in the area.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/lockdown?s=t

So, in this case, it's a combination of the two definitions.

thanks

[Seahawk Profile]

A lot of it started in columbine in 99, as to the procedures to be followed when either a active shooter or person with a weapon is reported.
The general gist is the school, on lockdown means each class stays in their rooms till the threat is stopped, or the person with a gun is found, or issue resolved.

If as in this example, it is just a report of an armed suspect. They must clear the school. The move in and start a sweep, not giving away to much there are a few different stages. That eventually leads to evacuation. Vary time consuming.

If you look back to columbine, they had all the resources one could imagine or want. That just waited. The two active shooters ended up killing themselves. When a little more direct method might have prevented some deaths. The way in which columbine was evacuated created some other issues, children being exposed to dead classmates, and possible additional shooting, by law enforcement, who were at the time unaware of the status or appearance of the shooters, who might try to use the confusion of a Rush to escape, to make their escape, or kill more people.

In the way it has developed since then, tries to remove that wait period, tries to organize the chaos that ensues, and tries to keep the kids safe.
Parents let loose to run in grab their kids, etc. Presents a number of logistical problems.

Due to the current media blitz of anything gun related, the occasions to see these things in action have increased.
About a couple months ago, at the community college i was taking some classes at, we had a lockdown situation. It was a hunter near the campus. we were on lockdown till that individual was found, and the nature of the disturbance determined. We could have been there much longer.
As it seems in this case. That it was a report, and no one was caught, or confronted.

Hope that helps.

Thank you, Con. I do understand the need for a planned procedure and the reasoning behind it- at least what you presented above. I have no issue for the necessity of such an emergency poa. It's sound, reasonable, and fully understandable to do so.

The only part that really effected me enough to post the video here, was the way that the children were "moved." I understand moving them in an orderly and calm fashion, but seeing them being moved along like a herd of prisoners being moved to and fro, with their hands on top of their heads is what had a visual impact with me. Sorry if I didn't make that clear. That's why I pointed specifically to 1:15 in the video. I presumed it was self-evident, and thought it might affect others in the same way. It reminded me of something I might see in an old nazi film. I don't have kids, so I haven't seen the slow progression leading up to this- the way the children are herded, and no one seems to have a second thought about it. Looks like a frog in a hot pot to me. Never mind.

[Constabul Profile]

Lock the class room? Yes, they are supposed to lock them if able. There are messaging systems to let the officers know if they need to clear the room or not. Both visually, and through intercom.

The hands over the head shows sign they are not armed. It is a visual search method, that saves time and does not put each child through the trauma of being frisked.

Much in the way incident command procedures have been standardized, rapid deployment has too.
After 99 they have been working on making it so. There maybe little variation. But in theory it is carried about the same way. With an active shooter u know where to go. With a armed suspect. It becomes an unknown risk on every corner, in every room.

Typed via moble so shortened my reply.

[Seahawk Profile]

The hands over the head shows sign they are not armed. It is a visual search method, that saves time and does not put each child through the trauma of being frisked.

I know. I get that.

There's a big difference between this:





and the image below:




Guess I'm the only one here that finds that a problematic image/ standardized method to use with children. Apparently, I should get with the program, eh?

I wonder, what's the next "standardized method" to be implemented- for "security."

[Constabul Profile]

Certainly get what u are saying, and yeah sucks we have to put into plan contingencies for such. We likely will never get used to it due to children being involved.
Yes there are similarities between the photos, the first two anyway. Unfortunately proven methods apply. The third includes stress of the aftermath.
An as such can understand why people get outraged. Tho when that occurs it usually is easy targets that are lashed out at. What happens in many stress related situations.
Just trying to provide insight to knowledge I've recently gained myself.

Damn smart phone is not so smart...