New York socialite bashes Supriem Rockefeller as fake.

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PostWed Apr 21, 2010 11:15 pm » by Hellothere


New York socialite socialite Claire Van Denberg, an active participant in the NYC art and antiquities scene with Ivy League credentials, has reportedly been viciously bashing Kris Raynes aka Supriem Rockefeller over the past week in NYC social circles and on the internet. Claire, who herself in an heiress to European old money, is well known to regularly rub elbows with many affluent New Yorkers, and be active in affluent New York social circles. She is known to have attended Rockefeller family gatherings, and is speculated to have business and social ties to the Rockefellers via Sotheby's, The Museum of Modern Art, and fund raising efforts.

I have interviewed her and received her permission to reproduce her online conversations with Wes Penn, and Kris Raynes himself here. The conversations occurred on Wes Penn's facebook page. This all began earlier this week when Kris aka Supriem asked Claire on a date then threatened to sue her after she rejected him. Transcripts below:

Claire:
What are your thoughts on a new title for the e-book? What do you think of "The rapping Rockefeller: Rhyming his way to the top." I'd love take credit for it, but it was actually a suggestion by one of his old co-workers where he was a cashier at Cool Springs Wine and Spirits in Franklin, Tennessee. http://www.coolspringswines.com/

Wes Penre
Hmm, not sure if I've heard the rap song you are referring to, although I have heard a few of his songs, like "Martinis on Manhattan" for example...I actually like that one!

I'm sure Supriem, also known as Kris Raynes, also known as... well, the list goes on, I guess, has had quite a few jobs in his life. I heard something about a cigar shop too, but not sure if that is true or not.

They must pay him well, though, if that's his only income, because he sure is travelling a lot, eating fancy and drinking fancy for just being a poor guy with minimal wage who has never left Tennessee.... See More

Not very relevant, but nice chatting with you.

Wes

Wes Penre
Wait a minute! I see what you're saying... Sup must have emptied the cash register again! :-D

David Hughes
He will be pissed at that Wes.

Claire Van Denberg
Also known as?? No, Kris Raynes then "Supriem Rockefeller" have been his only legal names.

Never left Tennessee? Did anyone ever say that or make that claim anywhere at all? I know I didn't make that statement and I never saw where anyone has. Yes, he hasn't ever made much money, although his mommy Barbara pays for him to go on vacations with her and gives him spending money. He also lives in her spare bedroom. She is a very gracious mother, apparently.

Claire Van Denberg
Given his lifestyle, I'd gather that he works the jobs to supplement his allowance he receives from his mother. However, maybe you're right. Maybe he just works these low wage, menial jobs for fun! I guess he just steals from the till at his cashier job for fun too :D That all makes perfect sense. I guess he drives an embarrassing junk heap of a ... See Morecar for fun as well! Or wait, maybe it's just a decoy to fool everyone, just like the cashier job which he stole money from. Just an elaborate ruse- living with mommy, driving a beater, and stealing from clerk jobs so no one knows that he's a billionaire world leader :D That must be it right? :D

Wes Penre
No, I don't think you were the one who said he was just a poor guy who's never left Tennessee, that was someone else -- but what I mean is I hear stuff like that all the time from people who want me to give it all up for one reason or another and spend a lot of time and energy on it...Sorry, I'm still here.

Claire Van Denberg
Hi Wes, I'm pretty sure that if anyone wants you to "give it all up" it's for your own sake, out of sympathy. I'm sure you'd rather believe that there is some big evil conspiratorial purpose, but there isn't. They just feel sorry for you. Further, they probably miss the previous writing you have done in the past. You know, back when you were ... See Morewriting on more credible topics? There's next to no one, even in the fringe of the conspiracy crowd that doesn't know that Kris is not, and never was in any way associated with the Rockefeller family proper. The fact is that he's a 35 year old high school dropout phony living in his mother's spare room, and that's not very interesting to most people. You had one thing right though, this story is going nowhere. Two years from now you will be sitting around spouting the same kind of hot air that Kris and his little buddies tell you so that you will repeat it on the internet. That is, of course, if that's what you decide.

Wes Penre
It's funny that you're saying that I used to write about more credible topics. I'm confused, because what you are referring to is when I was writing about the Rockefellers and how they and the Rothschilds are the top negative Elite bloodlines, and how evil and destructive they are, and always have been, to this world.

But you said to me not too long ago (and yes, you DID say this) that I should be grateful to the Rockefeller clan, because they gave us Standard oil and education(!)

You told me this as a response to my question why you are subscribed to the Rockefeller Group on Facebook.... See More

You can't have it both ways, Claire...How on Earth can I take anything you say seriously?

Wes Penre
Anyway, the reason I responded to your postings was that I actually enjoy it (must be the dark side of me). But now it's time to finish up and move on to other things...

It just strikes me kind of odd that more often than nott, when I am prepared to do a bigger move on the SPRM scene, you are popping up like a jack-in-the-box, doing all in your power to discredit the whole thing.

If you truly believed in all you're saying, the rational thing to do would be to point it out once (maybe twice) and then leave it and go on with your life. But you seem to dedicate a lot of time to this "unimportant issue". Why? And you say you don't have any kind of agenda? Sorry, Claire... it doesn't make sense. You're obsessed with this "irrelevant non-conspiracy".... See More

If people, according to you, since long have stopped believing in this, what's the point for you to keep on doing what you're doing?

Don't you think people start wondering why you are so persistant on this?

Claire Van Denberg
Hi Wes,

"It's funny that you're saying that I used to write about more credible topics. I'm confused, because what you are referring to is when I was writing about the Rockefellers and how they and the Rothschilds are the top negative Elite bloodlines, and how evil and destructive they are, and always have been, to this world. "

That you for trying to decide for me what I was referring to, but the fact is that you have no idea what I was referring to. Is that the only thing you have ever written about? No, I don't think so. So in fact, you don't have any idea what I was referring to. ... See More

"But you said to me not too long ago (and yes, you DID say this) that I should be grateful to the Rockefeller clan, because they gave us Standard oil and education(!) "

No Wes, that's a blatant lie. I'm starting to see that your true talents may lie in writing fiction. I never, ever brought up Standard Oil, YOU DID! I didn't ever said they "gave us education". That's more fiction, I merely lauded Rockefeller University for continually producing scientific breakthroughs. I was educating you on the (real) Rockefellers (not a phony Rockefeller pretender living with momma in Tennessee). Lie number three, I didn't tell you any of this in response to a question about a Rockefeller group, that's another piece of fiction.

Just for all these lies, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to forward all those emails to someone who will post them on the relevant websites. Just like you did with the choice pieces of mine you wanted displayed on your website. Well I'm putting the WHOLE THING up so I can refute these lies you have just told about me.

Have what both ways? That doesn't even make sense, whatever little obfuscation tactic you were trying to use only worked on your own mind. You didn't make an actual point.

Claire Van Denberg
Hi Wes,

"It just strikes me kind of odd that more often than nott, when I am prepared to do a bigger move on the SPRM scene, you are popping up like a jack-in-the-box, doing all in your power to discredit the whole thing."

There is no "SPRM scene", so it's impossible to do a "bigger move" on it. I don't have to do anything to discredit it, the Rockefeller family office and Kris' personal history already have. Indeed it discredits itself once the facts are known. ... See More

"If you truly believed in all you're saying, the rational thing to do would be to point it out once (maybe twice) and then leave it and go on with your life. But you seem to dedicate a lot of time to this "unimportant issue". Why? And you say you don't have any kind of agenda? Sorry, Claire... it doesn't make sense. You're obsessed with this "irrelevant non-conspiracy"

LOL. Wes I think you are the last person who needs to be telling people what rational behavior is or is not.I'm an ivy league student with a career. You are some guy writing about fake Rockefellers and demons, when there are actually REAL conspiracies which are relevant to the world that you COULD be covering! That's funny. More of your fiction-
1) I haven't dedicated "a lot of time" to this.
2) I never said that identity theft, fraud, and plagiary are "unimportant issues".
3) I never said that I don't have an agenda. In our emails that will soon be posted all over the internet I said:
"I do have an agenda here and I'll tell you exactly what it is. It was to discover the truth about this matter, now that's been accomplished. Now my agenda has switched to informing everyone who isn't already informed about this fraud which has been perpetrated against a monumental family which has made immeasurable contributions to science, the arts, commerce, academia and does not deserve this kind of libel and slander."

You know that's what I said so why do you continue to tell these lies? The only thing that's persistent is my position. I know the facts, so why would my position change? You, on the other hand, who thinks it's okay to knowingly write lies, well, you don't really like to let all those inconvenient facts get in the way of your great writing do you?

I just stopped by because you said you were throwing in the towel on the Kris Raynes story because you knew they were telling you a bunch of BS, and that the story wasn't ever going anywhere. Well you were right, and I was congratulating you on correcting a bad decision and turning over a new leaf. That's exactly why I stopped by, and you know that. Why are you purposely obfuscating things to make it look like I stopped by to discredit your little fake Rockefeller "story" when you know that's not true? Why are you trying to manipulate the information like that?

Wes Penre
oh yes, you're right. This IS your agenda. And I forgot to mention arts, commerce and academia in relation to the "humanitarian" (not) Rockefeller family:

"Now my agenda has switched to informing everyone who isn't already informed about this fraud which has been perpetrated against a monumental family which has made immeasurable contributions to science, the arts, commerce, academia and does not deserve this kind of libel and slander."

Your purpose is to protect the worst mass-murderers, mind-controllers and bullshitters in modern history - The Rockefeller family. What are you thinking, Claire? ... See More

I know you're young, but now, with information technology, you should know better than that. And I think you do, but you're STILL protecting them. I wonder why???

Supriem -David Rockefeller
I think Claire has a crush on me!! She has way too much time to hate on me on the internet. It's like little girsl in school when they pick on a boy they really like. It's OK Claire, if you can't have me we'll find you a boyfriend to occupy some of your time.

Claire Van Denberg
Spoken like a true antichrist/world leader... Some maturity for a Rockefeller world leader antichrist LOL! Guess it's pretty typical for an underachiever's personality traits though. Oh, and thanks... but I don't like old men.... especially ones that still live with their mommy's.

Supriem -David Rockefeller
Damn, I am too old!!! Claire, all things aside, you are pretty hot!!! All I can say is relax, it's just life. Claire, let's meet at Rose Bar for drinks and then see if you still hate me.

David Hughes
maybe too many Jack D's?
and the Ke$ha song TICK TOCK pops into my mind....yet again.

Claire Van Denberg
I don't hate you, I just think you are a foolish phony who's a 35 year old failure. It's sad that you'd rather rip off the name of notable people instead of create your own legacy. That's really a huge sign of low self esteem. Kind of sad really. Rose bar? Umm sorry, I am busy on that day.

Supriem -David Rockefeller
So instead of take time to meet someone and see their true character, you would rather judge someone by something you read online?? Interesting. Good thing you are not a Diplomat.

David Hughes
Ok now Claire I just turned 40 last week and I find the old comment quite upsetting...LOL

Claire Van Denberg
Kris, I don't need to meet you to meet you in person to know that you changed your name to Rockefeller and try to convince people that you are something which you aren't. It's kind of sad that your self esteem is so low that you'd try to plagiarize the legacy of others instead of create your own. Definitely an unattractive subservient beta male ... See Moretrait. I know you don't know much about women, but being FAKE is certainly in the top 3 universal turnoffs to women, and you are as big of a fake as they come. Please keep in mind I'm just being honest, not hateful. I don't need to read anything about you online to know that you are not a Rockefeller proper, by birth or otherwise. I know and have worked with proper Rockefellers, and know very well that you have NOTHING to do with the family, and never did. Given that you regularly lie about yourself, because you are ashamed of your real identity why would I want to know any more about your character? I think I know enough. Like I said, it's kind of sad although not unimaginable for a low self esteem underachiever. Sort of like a bum on the street who's really sad, but you still don't give any money to because you know it wont actually help them? Rose bar? Did your mommy just give you your allowance or something? LOL.

Aww David. Well that same criteria wouldn't describe you. You don't try to lie about your identity for social status, instead of actually earn the social status you desire. I'm also assuming that you don't live at home being supported by your mother and actually have a job, a profession, or are a student and do something besides drink your allowance money away and tell fairy tales on the internet. So, although 40 is way older than I'd normally consider, there could at least be a chance Kris on the other hand? Besides being very average looking, he's very tasteless and lacks class. From his poor grammar, to his desperation to impress others. Everything about him screams low self esteem phony, and nothing about that is attractive. Hate me for it if you want, but it's the truth and the overwhelming majority of women would agree. What Kris needs is a clean slate, a fresh start and a commitment to not being a fake.

Supriem -David Rockefeller
Interesting that you keep hinting I am a con man, how come if I have changed my name and plagiarized the Rockefellers as you say, there has never been a cease and desist issued to me by them?? I have used S.D. Rockefeller Holdings Ltd. as my company's legal business name since 2002. I will tell you what Claire, see if Paula Mueller, David Rockefeller's attorney has anything bad to say about me and then I will talk to you further. Until, then, you have proven you have nothing else going on in your life by spending so much time commenting about me. Best of luck in your future endeavors Miss van Denberg.

Regards,
Supriem-David Rockefeller
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P.S.
Posting someone's address online is considered cyber-stalking and is illegal(Claire, as proof, had posted the address in TN where Kris aka Supriem lives with his mother)

Claire Van Denberg
Cease and desist what? Do you even know what a cease and desist order is for WITHOUT googling it? You continue to demonstrate your lack of business and legal acumen.The only conversations about you that have occurred about you at Rockefeller is what an idiot your are, and whether or not you are really worth the effort of pursuing legal recourse You... See More are a gnat on their windshield. What does your name decision on your corporation have to do with this? Oh that's right, NOTHING. I can name a corporation Rockefeller Rothschild Warburg Medici Sex Toys and Porn Ltd. What you named a corporation you registered with the state for $100 means nothing, so why are you mentioning it? LOL, personal insults and threats? Pretty typical reaction from low self esteem beta males who get rejected by women. Their fragile self esteem can't take it so they turn confrontational. Poor baby, are you scared? I'll take it down then for you, don't cry. LOL, it's funny that YOU want to say something to others about commenting on the internet. I have only done this on 1-2 morning, but it's most of your sorry life.

P.S.: You don't have an address for me to post. The aforementioned address is your mommy and step daddy's.

Claire Van Denberg
Claire Van Denberg
The only bullshitters in this story are Kris Raynes and you. You have made several false statements JUST in this conversation, what's worse is that you haven't apologized or corrected yourself on them. This is something you do alot in your writing. Why are you trying to obfuscate things? Then, there's me who has NOT MADE ONE SINGLE FALSE STATEMENT, and I challenge you to prove otherwise. You have behaviors of many people who are deceptive, you cherry pick and chose the pieces of information you want to respond to, then ignore the rest.

The Rockefellers don't need my protection, trust me. I don't know of any Rockefeller mass murdering, and I do know for a fact of their numerous contributions to science, genetics, the arts, business, and commerce.
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Further, this is completely beside the point. EVEN IF EVERYTHING YOU SAY ABOUT THE ROCKEFELLERS IS TRUE, KRIS RAYNES STILL HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ROCKEFELLERS AT ALL. The Rockefeller family has never had ANYTHING to do with Kris Raynes/Supriem Rockefeller. He legally changed his name from his birth name of Kris Raynes. THAT IS THE UNDERLYING POINT HERE. Whether or not you think Rockefellers are mass murdering demons who eat babies doesn't change the fact that Kris never had anything to do with them and they had never heard of him until this internet publicity campaign he launched. I have spoken to 2 (real) Rockefellers personally, as well as the staff of the Rockefeller family office. Kris Raynes is not an actual Rockefeller by birth or by adoption. Kris Raynes does not know George Bush or any other world leaders. Kris Raynes IS a high school drop out who lives with his mom
Those are the facts of this issue, period. What you do or don't think about the real Rockefeller family does not change them. What don't you get about that?

Wes Penre
Wow, you've been busy while I've been gone, Claire. And Supriem has been on here as well, I can see.

Well, I really have a hard time figuring you out, because something with you doesn't add up.

Anyway, I guess you do what you want to do and I'll do what I want to do. Doesn't concern me. But I hope you can start backing up your claims or else it's just hearsay. ... See More... See More

Supriem actually got a point here: why don't you show us something that backs up your claims about what the Rockefeller family said about SDR plus everything else about his background that you seem so sure about? David Rockefeller's lawyer sounds like a good idea to start with...

Well, actually, it seems like the Rockefellers havent' even heard about you... Makes me wonder, what do you REALLY want?

Claire Van Denberg
Kris hasn't denied any of the facts I've stated, hence agreeing with them by default. What about me doesn't "add up"? What claims need backing up? Kris hasn't denied any of them because they are all true. He has been warned by Rockefeller staff not to do so. Further, they aren't MY claims. Various spokespeople for Rockefeller entities have said that they haven't heard of him and that they have no idea who he is. Of course NOW a couple of them have heard of him due to his relentless online spam campaign. The fellow investigating the Temple Institute story is just one example. I have personally spoken with two actual Rockefellers which said the same thing- and the Rockefeller family isn't very large...

You are the last person who needs to be talking about verifying claims. What about verifying your claims that Kris is friends with George Bush, and sends demons to harass people, and has dark horned figures that do his bidding, or any number of other comically absurd claims you have made about a highschool drop out in TN. What about verifying some of that. It's just highly comical that you would choose to go there.

Also, that's not David Rockefellers attorney- that's an attorney for Rockefeller Financial. Kris didn't even know who the hell she was until they started calling his old friends asking who he was and whether or not he was using the Rockefeller name to solicit funds. Kris' old friend then called Kris to inform him that they had called they were making inquiries. That's how Kris even found out who she was in the first place. I know the whole story FROM THE ROCKEFELLER side. If YOU want verification then PM me and I'll connect you with the friend. I can't guarantee that he'll talk, but you can certainly ask!... See More

And no, it doesn't "seem like the Rockefellers haven't heard about me". That doesn't make sense, and you are just blowing smoke again. Most importantly, Kris hasn't denied any of what I've said! In fact, Kris just tried to divert the subject by asking me out! He has been warned by people from Rockefeller to not claim that he's related to them or associated with them in any way whatsoever. That's why he won't refute it. Notice how he hasn't denied any of it? If you want to verify it, you could contact Rockefeller or the people he used to work for at cool springs wine and spirits, or any of the people who have known him for many years. It just depends on what you actually want to verify. But all the facts I have stated are undisputed, hence he's agreeing with them de facto. Why do you think he wet his diaper so bad when I posted the address where he lives with his Mom? Think about it.

More to come! There are other conversations I`ve been provided with.

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PostWed Apr 21, 2010 11:20 pm » by Hellothere


Wes Penre Thanks for reminding me, Claire! I got your posting in my regular email as well, and I realized I'd fogotten to make the announcement here on Facebook. Thank you much, Wes

David Hughes
I heard the songs were quite good....great producer too...One day the Scottish Lucifer McAntichrist may release an album called "Easy Livin & Cheap grog and digs"

Supriem -David Rockefeller
Back in 2004 I did a song called "Martinis in Manhattan" as a joke. It was a song about a playboy lifestyle and living it up in NYC. Jay Z's cousin Bryant Biggs AKA B High heard it and wanted to release it as a ringtone, so I let him. People, I don't have a fledgling rap career I am trying to launch.

Claire Van Denberg
How about MC drop out? You could have Wes dress up in a cheerleader outfit and be one of your groupies in your video, instead of just on the internet?

David Hughes
Claire...I think you are being rude...its one thing to do this kinda stuff on DTV, but verbal bitch slapping on someone else's wall in not good manners.

Claire Van Denberg
Hey, he asked for suggestions.... I have never been on TV, much less "verbally bitch slapped" someone on air.

Claire Van Denberg
No, you don't have a rap career(or any career) you are trying to launch NOW. But you did! Lots of people saw. Nate, Andrea, Kevin, lots of people. Lots of people you saw all the time, who are very friendly and talkative. That was before you decided to legally change your name to your rap alias, and taking it to a whole new level! After all, why be ... See Morea rap artist when you can be a world leader antichrist! You can imagine anything!! As a joke? Come on Kris who do you think you're fooling? You know how much work it takes to produce a song well. That's alot of effort for a "joke". Everyone knows better. Not only that you were out trying to hustle your little ring tone left and right. You are a fake Kris. You need a fresh start. 35 is no spring chicken, but it's still not too late to turn over a new leaf and make meaningful progress. Good luck.

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PostWed Apr 21, 2010 11:27 pm » by Hellothere


David Hughes Who needs the Allied Union blog, we have it all here...;)

Claire Van Denberg
Yes, and it's just like that Allied Union website in that Wes censors the facts that he doesn't like!

Wes Penre
Claire, listen please. I just got the phone number to David Rockefeller's (the OLD Rockefeller) attorney from a senior executive at SD Rockefeller Holdings...

Like I said, what your REAL agenda is, I have no clue, but all I can do is to tell you this, in case your are just some "regular" young woman doing all this for whatever reason, unknown to me.

It's also been brought to my attention that a SD Rockefeller Holdings attorney is compiling a lawsuit against you. Whatever may or may not come out of that, I don't know, but I honestly want to let you know so you're at least not caught off guard and can withdraw if you so wish. ... See More

I'm serious about what I'm saying. I don't know how you were brought into all this, but now I've told you.

You can do whatever you want -- I'm not going to bother you anymore. I just hope you know what you're doing in case you want to go on.

Unless you are seriously out to harm me in any way, which you say you are not, I do not want that heat on you. I must confess it has been amusing to communicate with you on this topic in some weird way, but not anymore...

Sincerely,
Wes

Claire Van Denberg
LOL, a "senior executive"? How precious! You don't know who D Rockefeller's attorney is, neither does Kris. There is no "senior executive" for SD Rockefeller holdings (the huge conglomerate with no website whatsoever :D ). It's Kris' entity that he formed in 2002, that hasn't made any profit, ever. Further, I haven't broken any laws, so good luck with a "law suit". Wow, that guy really takes rejection sorely. What a sour loser, turn him down for a date and he'll threaten to sue you.

But that's how beta males react to rejection even though it happens all the time, they can never really accept it.

Thanks for the good will, but if anyone needs any help, it's Kris not me. But all of that kind of dodges the larger issue of you DELETING THE WHOLE CONVERSATION. Something you continually do when facts are mentioned which you don't like. Why is that? Not that it matters, since I have the contents of the thread and will post them online too.... See More

But hey, why bother with a law suit when he could just send his demonic fiends after me?

The fact is, he's a 35 year old man having a temper tantrum like a 5 year old girl. He's been rejected by a girl (which he's used to), and being called out to answer for all of his stupid immature lies (which he's not as used to, because he usually runs from it). It would be hilarious to see him try to file a law suit against me, it's more empty threats from an empty loser. But guess who's side the proper Rockefellers will be on? It won't be Kris', I can assure you.

I have attended Rockefeller friends and family gatherings more than once, and trust me, Kris isn't one of them, and is in no way connected to them. The fact is that he's been warned already by them. This is why he doesn't tell the lies he always used to tell. He's been warned by them not to claim any heritage to them whatsoever, and not to use their name to solicit funds for any reason. He was told by Rockefeller personnel in crystal clear language. He hasn't denied any of the claims I have made because they are true. So he has admitted to it all by default. He won't refute it however, because he has been warned by the real Rockefellers.

Nice attempt at trying to dodge the fact that you deleted the entire thread where I thrashed you and Kris with facts and decisively sunk your fairy tale, not obvious at all.Now I guess I'd better be on demon watch tonight. :)

Wes Penre
I had the feeling you were going to say something like this. Well, i have given my 2 cents and that's all I can do.

Good luck and I hope you know what you're doing. I don't want to get involved in a potential lawsuit because of a chat I had with someone on FB, so if they do take actions I'll stay out of it as much as possible. I hope it's just an empty threat, though.

Wes Penre
Well, I can't delete anything from our threads at this point, Claire. That would be considered "destroying evidence" and then I'm the one in trouble...

Wes Penre
Lastly, I don't think they are compiling a lawsuit against you (if they really proceed) because you turned him down for a date.

According to the info I got , the charges are: "cyber-stalking", posting libelous claims, and committing slander and defamation of character.

Again, I have no idea what will come out of that, but I swear by whatever you want that what I'm saying here is true -- I was told this yesterday evening and wrote you shortly after......

David Hughes
so who are the charges against then?

Claire Van Denberg
LOLz, I've had bad reactions from men because I've rejected, but I have to admit this is would be the first lawsiut! How funny...

Also, Kris admitted to everything I said by default, he didn't deny any of it. He's been warned by the (real) Rockefellers not to claim ANY lineage to them and NOT to use their name for the purposes of soliciting funds. That's why he's not even denying, and thus admitting it! LOL Wes, you aren't exactly a legal scholar. Afraid of getting charged with "destroying the evidence" of a charge which hasn't been filed? On a crime that doesn't exist? You are one funny man Wes .

You deleted the other conversation because I took you and Kris to the cleaners with the facts. I have the whole conversation and I'll re-post it.... See More

Funny how one minute Kris thinks I'm "hot", and wants to take me out drinking. Then after he gets rejected he wants to file a lawsuit. That's just too funny. Guess we all knew he had psychological issues but wow!

Anyway when princess Rockefeller gets done with her temper tantrum, she can send me the name of her "attorney" and I'll talk to them myself. LOL, if only he could afford a therapist.

Claire Van Denberg
One more question Wes, why do you suppose that he's not sending one of his demons or spirits after me like he did to soo many people in your ebook? Did they pass a no demon ordinance in NYC? What's the deal?

Wes Penre
Claire, what are you talking about? I haven't deleted ANY FB conversations. Everything we ever said to each other, including what SPRM said is still here. You have an obsession, it seems like, of accusing people to delete and censor stuff.

Still, it's a lot of communication back and forth, so you may have to search a while to find stuff -- that's what I have to do. After you've clicked the link in your email (if that's how you go to the thread), you will only find ONE thread. To find the rest you need to cliick on the WALL tab. But perhaps you already know that...

Regarding the lawsuit, I am not trying to be funny - I am only relaying info I got. Take it or leave it, it's up to you. I'm not going to tell you what to do and not to do. You are free to do whatever you want.... See More

And David (and if someone else is wondering, too) the potential lawsuit is against Claire if I for some reason failed to make that clear.

David Hughes
Isn't she simply reposting info supplied by "that hidden poster" cant remember the name now without logging back into DTV and searching my posts...

David Hughes
well that is who we all thought to begin with, but after a while it was pointed out it was another (group)...Jeez this is going back over old ground now

Wes Penre
I know you probably don't believe me when I say this, but it's nevertheless true:

I personally don't like the idea of your getting involved in a lawsuit (if it will happen). I know we have different points of view and our discussions have sometimes been heated, but I really don't want that to happen. The lawsuit thing may just be "hot air", but I... See More ... See Moredo not know that. I am not saying you should abide to this threat, I am simply letting you know what I know. What you want to do about it is your choice. You can choose to go on as usual, too...

I truly regret that we started this convesation in public, because this is not how I wanted it to turn out, and I think I added some fuel to the fire, which I wish I hadn't. Sorry about that.

David Hughes
Wes...I don't think apologies are warranted....Claire has proved to be more than a worthy adversary and I feel fully knows what she is doing....No one goes to this extent unless they are paid for their services or has a vested interest...

As a Moderator on DTV, I could have gone further in my research, but chose not too...and did not need too...as a few had done all the leg work for me.

The info is out there if people wish to find it...

Wes Penre
Yes, I know what you mean, David. My apologies are for my part in this. Not particularly for what I said, but for responding to the heated energies. I usually try to avoid that, because in the end it serves no purpose. It's just like throwing eggs on each other endlessly -- the result of that is simply that both parties will be covered in more and ... See Moremore eggs. Nothing is accomplished.

Therefore, I decide to learn from this and be more careful about HOW I communicate in the future on forums like this.

David Hughes
Maybe this is the perfect place to have out these issues...I am sure there are many that would like to give their point of view...maybe some guidance (Moderator status) by you may help steer to some facts , or help clarify some issues.

Claire Van Denberg
First, there is no proverbial "egg" that has been thrown on me. The only "egg" is on Kris, and maybe slightly on Wes for endorsing and not thoroughly investigating Kris and his other aliases, and friends tell Wes.

I have recounted most of the facts about this topic here, and Kris was silent, then started threatening lawsuits instead of just ... See Moreaddressing the claims. This is because the claims are indeed facts, and he's rather embarrassed about the truth of his life. He can't continue to lie in a public forum, because the Rockefeller office has warned him (a very fair and lenient gesture on their part I think). So since he can't lie, and he's too ashamed to admit the truth, he's crying and stomping his feet like the spoiled little Momma's boy that he is and making empty threats.

I, along with most educated, non highschool dropout people know that you can only be convicted of slander or defamation of character if you are saying things which are false or believed to be false at the time you said them. Kris is an uneducated phony blowing hot air. He's embarrassed of the truth about his life, which is why he changed his name in the first place. Anyone who can't see the truth of this matter by now has problems. After all, his silence and failure to address any of these facts are a default admission to them.

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PostWed Apr 21, 2010 11:36 pm » by Hellothere


Heated speculation continues regarding what Claire`s motives in revealing these facts may actually be. Some think that she may have been hired by the Rockefeller family office to see to it that everyone knows the truth about this issue, others speculate that it`s merely a brown nosing attempt to bolster her reputation with the Rockefellers, who hold lots of influence and participate heavily in the NYC art and antiquities scene which she is a part of. Most of my contacts in the Manhattan social scene seem to think she`s simply doing a favor for friends. According to her, she`s just setting the record straight about an amazing family who have made monumental contributions to industry, science, medicine, and the arts and straightening out one man`s attempt to plagiarize their name. Maybe time will tell...

More to come.



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