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PostTue Dec 01, 2009 8:28 am » by Vulcanic


vulcanic wrote:Note: This article is speculative in nature and may or may not be correct

Lucifer was a planet as well as a super being. This planet was located between our present Mars and Jupiter(where now lies the inner asteroid belt). The planet Lucifer is known by many other names: Maldek, Phaeton, Rex, etc., but is most aptly named after the super archangel who ruled over it -Lucifer. Lucifer was a perfect and beautiful being and his planet was one of ten in the solar system of that time. The planet Lucifer rivaled the Sun in splendor and may in fact have been a second sun or binary. The Luciferians living on it were a godly people until their leader fell from grace and brought them to ruin along with a third of the entire solar system.

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Lucifer was of course thwarted and defeated in his attempt to become the ruler of our solar system, who was then Michael or the Sun, and his home planet was destroyed or flung into the far reaches of the solar system. Planet Lucifer may have exploded into billions or trillions of pieces creating at least three rings or asteroid belts. The most famous is of course that between Mars and Jupiter, but there is a smaller one around the Sun, and of course a larger one beyond Neptune now known as the Kuiper belt. The Oort cloud may be the final ring of accumulated debris. It was this explosion and the resulting debris that cratered the planets and moons and produced their rings, disrupted the planetary orbits and rotations, and gave birth to the meteors and comets.

Astrologically, Lucifer was of the combined nature of Virgo, Libra, and Scorpio, which according to esoteric tradition, were then one sign(and one planet). Virgo was Lucifer's purity and dedication. Libra was Lucifer's perfect beauty and wisdom, and Scorpio was Lucifer's dark or extreme side. These three qualities made Lucifer too powerful or gifted for his own good and led to his conceit, rebellion, and downfall. Before Lucifer's unruly power got out of hand, he was supernaturally cut down and changed forever. His essence was literally divided into three separate parts so that he was greatly weakened and no longer posed a threat. Lucifer became the new signs of Virgo, Libra, and Scorpio, increasing the zodiac from ten to twelve signs. There were now also twelve major planets instead of ten.

The large planet Lucifer had many moons or small planets some of which may very well have survived its destruction and which were were blasted to the ends of our solar system("cast into outer darkness"). The largest of these may be the current dwarf planets or plutoids two of which are Pluto, Eris. Vulcan? may be the third, and all three represent separate aspects of Lucifer. These remnants of Lucifer straddle the Kuiper belt and beyond exercising great power over the collective aspect of being and preserve the history of a turbulent past.

In the book, Outer Space People and Inner Earth People, the author, William Lester Blessing, states that Lucifer was in fact our own planet Earth, in its previous incarnation. The Earth was then as large or larger than our Sun making ours a BINARY solar system. It was populated by LUCIFERIANS and named after its leader LUCIFER. Around the planet Lucifer revolved many planets and moons includiing Lilith(named after Lucifer's wife) which are now scattered across the solar system after it was destroyed or went nova. The people on Lucifer must have been giants and lived to a least a thousand years old. Was the creation story of Genesis in the Christian bible a description of the rebirth, reconstuction, or partial restoration of a former and greater Earth?



Vulcan, the intra-Mercurial planet, 1860-1916, 1971
The French mathematician Urbain Le Verrier, co-predictor with J.C. Adams of the position of Neptune before it was seen, in a lecture at 2 Jan 1860 announced that the problem of observed deviations of the motion of Mercury could be solved by assuming an intra-Mercurial planet, or possibly a second asteroid belt inside Mercury's orbit. The only possible way to observe this intra-Mercurial planet or asteroids was if/when they transited the Sun, or during total solar eclipses. Prof. Wolf at the Zurich sunspot data center, found a number of suspicious "dots" on the Sun, and another astronomer found some more. A total of two dozen spots seemed to fit the pattern of two intra-Mercurial orbits, one with a period of 26 days and the other of 38 days.

In 1859, Le Verrier received a letter from the amateur astronomer Lescarbault, who reported having seen a round black spot on the Sun on March 26 1859, looking like a planet transiting the Sun. He had seen the spot one hour and a quarter, when it moved a quarter of the solar diameter. Lescarbault estimated the orbital inclination to between 5.3 and 7.3 degrees, its longitude of node about 183 deg, its eccentricity "enormous", and its transit time across the solar disk 4 hours 30 minutes. Le Verrier investigated this observation, and computed an orbit from it: period 19 days 7 hours, mean distance from Sun 0.1427 a.u., inclination 12# 10', ascending node at 12# 59' The diameter was considerably smaller than Mercury's and its mass was estimated at 1/17 of Mercury's mass. This was too small to account for the deviations of Mercury's orbit, but perhaps this was the largest member of that intra-Mercurial asteroid belt? Le Verrier fell in love with the planet, and named it Vulcan.

In 1860 there was a total eclipse of the Sun. Le Verrier mobilized all French and some other astronomers to find Vulcan - nobody did. Wolf's suspicious 'sunspots' now revived Le Verrier's interest, and just before Le Verrier's death in 1877 some more 'evidence' found its way into print. On April 4 1875, a German astronomer, H. Weber, saw a round spot on the Sun. Le Verrier's orbit indicated a possible transit at April 3 that year, and Wolf noticed that his 38-day orbit also could have performed a transit at about that time. That 'round dot' was also photographed at Greenwich and in Madrid.

There was one more flurry after the total solar eclipse at July 29 1878, where two observers claimed to have seen in the vicinity of the Sun small illuminated disks which could only be small planets inside Mercury's orbit: J.C Watson (professor of astronomy at the Univ. of Michigan) believed he'd found TWO intra-Mercurial planets! Lewis Swift (co-discoverer of Comet Swift-Tuttle, which returned 1992), also saw a 'star' he believed to be Vulcan -- but at a different position than either of Watson's two 'intra-Mercurials'. In addition, neither Watson's nor Swift's Vulcans could be reconciled with Le Verrier's or Lescarbault's Vulcan.

After this, nobody ever saw Vulcan again, in spite of several searches at different total solar eclipses. And in 1916, Albert Einstein published his General Theory of Relativity, which explained the deviations in the motions of Mercury without the need to invoke an unknown intra-Mercurial planet. In May 1929 Erwin Freundlich, Potsdam, photographed the total solar eclipse in Sumatra, and later carefully examined the plates which showed a profusion of star images. Comparison plates were taken six months later. No unknown object brighter than 9th magnitude was found near the Sun.

But what did these people really see? Lescarbault had no reason to tell a fairy tale, and even Le Verrier believed him. It is possible that Lescarbault happened to see a small asteroid passing very close to the Earth, just inside Earth's orbit. Such asteroids were unknown at that time, so Lescarbault's only idea was that he saw an intra-Mercurial planet. Swift and Watson could, during the hurry to obtain observations during totality, have misidentified some stars, believing they had seen Vulcan.

"Vulcan" was briefly revived around 1970-1971, when a few researchers thought they had detected several faint objects close to the Sun during a total solar eclipse. These objects might have been faint comets, and later comets have been observed that later did pass close enough to the Sun to collide with it.


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Mercury's Moon, 1974
Two days before the 29 March 1974 Mariner 10 flyby past Mercury, one instrument began registering bright emissions in the extreme UV that had "no right to be there". The next day it was gone. Three days later it reappeared, and the "object" appeared to detach itself from Mercury. The astronomers first thought they had seen a star. But they had seen it in two quite different directions, and every astronomer knew that these extreme UV wavelengths couldn't penetrate very far through the interstellar medium, suggesting that the object must be close. Did Mercury have a moon?

After a hectic Friday, when the "object" had been computed to move at 4 km/s, a speed consistent with that of a moon, JPL managers were called in. They turned the then-dying spacecraft over full time to the UV team, and everyone started worrying about a press conference scheduled for later that Saturday. Should the suspected moon be announced? But the press already knew. Some papers -- the bigger, more respectable ones -- played it straight; many others ran excited stories about Mercury's new moon.

And the "moon" itself? It headed straight on out from Mercury, and was eventually identified as a hot star, 31 Crateris. What the original emissions came from, the ones spotted on the approach to the planet, remains a mystery. So ends the story of Mercury's moon but at the same time a new chapter in astronomy began: extreme UV turned out not to be so completely absorbed by the interstellar medium as formerly believed. Already the Gum nebula has turned out to be a quite strong emitter in the extreme UV, and spreads across 140 degrees of the night sky at 540 angstroms. Astronomers had discovered a new window through which to observe the heavens.
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PostTue Dec 01, 2009 8:31 am » by Seahawk


I don't know what crawled up Mep's ass and died. Seems he's just going from thread to thread and insulting people. That's not cool, Mep. Be a good sport. Someone piss in your cornflakes this morning? woke up on the wrong side of the bed? Picked up the soap at the gym?

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PostTue Dec 01, 2009 9:39 pm » by Vulcanic


Charles Fort never tired of pointing out the mistakes of astronomers. It is hard to explain how 15 noted astronomers, during the years 1645 to 1764, reported observing a satellite of the planet Venus. Its orbit was calculated by the German mathematician Johann Lambert, but it was not reported seen by anyone after March, 1764. It is equally difficult to understand how, beginning in 1762, for more than a century, astonomers reported the existence of a planet even closer to the sun than Mercury. In 1859, a scientist as renowned as Leverrier, who discovered the planet Neptune, announced that he had calculated the orbit of the planet following six observations. This planet was given the name of "Vulcan." The last reported observation of "Vulcan" was in 1876, and it is now said to have never existed.
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PostTue Dec 01, 2009 10:26 pm » by Seahawk


vulcanic wrote:Charles Fort never tired of pointing out the mistakes of astronomers. It is hard to explain how 15 noted astronomers, during the years 1645 to 1764, reported observing a satellite of the planet Venus. Its orbit was calculated by the German mathematician Johann Lambert, but it was not reported seen by anyone after March, 1764. It is equally difficult to understand how, beginning in 1762, for more than a century, astonomers reported the existence of a planet even closer to the sun than Mercury. In 1859, a scientist as renowned as Leverrier, who discovered the planet Neptune, announced that he had calculated the orbit of the planet following six observations. This planet was given the name of "Vulcan." The last reported observation of "Vulcan" was in 1876, and it is now said to have never existed.


That is interesting! How could they just dismiss the factual observations of so many astonomers? Do they think that it was some kind of mass, ongoing hallucination or something?

Massive eliptical orbits don't make sense, because they were never seen again. Venus' satelite was observed for 19 years, and then vanished. "Vulcan" was observed for 114 years, and then vanished. The only sense that can be derived from this,is:

1. They were somehow destroyed, by an asteroid, or something else.
2. They were "moved" elsewhere, by some unknown highly superior race of beings from elsewhere in the universe.
3. That they were actually some kind of massive "ships." that were intelligently guided.
4. The instruments of the period were inferior, and caused some kind of inner-lens reflection, under certain circumstances- like maybe with variation of quality and precisness of lens- irregularities between lenses. Why only venus and the sun affected? (by the "satellite" and "Vulcan.") Maybe the particular qualities, or make-up of light emmitted by the Sun and by Venus? Stretching here, but very interesting quandry. I had never heard of this particular piece of atronomical history.

Very interesting, to say the least, Vulcanic. Thanks for sharing.

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PostTue Dec 01, 2009 10:29 pm » by Pindz


mep630 wrote:this is a retarded thread dude. Just more nonsense. Just because you dont believe in something don't make it not true.

cant agree more with Mepster ..

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PostTue Dec 01, 2009 10:33 pm » by Zegtelzegtel


Good demonstration.. :flop: ...dont think RealorFake disrespected somebody with this....why that whining shit its a demonstration.....How they COULD be faked.....

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PostTue Dec 01, 2009 10:37 pm » by Seahawk


pindz wrote:
mep630 wrote:this is a retarded thread dude. Just more nonsense. Just because you dont believe in something don't make it not true.

cant agree more with Mepster ..


Good for you! Yipee!!! Congratulations! I was really wondering what you thought about this thread. I was laying awake last night, and I couldn't get to sleep because I was so full of anticipation- waiting for your superior opinion. Thanks for not making me wait too long to find out. I can leave now. Thanks again, bye!

Zeg! You got it! :flop: Funny how they both made the same error in their accessment of the thread. How could one misunderstand the obvious intentions of ROF's post? Well, it's actually quite obvious - subjective, emotional, and irrational thinking.


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PostTue Dec 01, 2009 10:51 pm » by Vulcanic


seahawk100 wrote:
vulcanic wrote:Charles Fort never tired of pointing out the mistakes of astronomers. It is hard to explain how 15 noted astronomers, during the years 1645 to 1764, reported observing a satellite of the planet Venus. Its orbit was calculated by the German mathematician Johann Lambert, but it was not reported seen by anyone after March, 1764. It is equally difficult to understand how, beginning in 1762, for more than a century, astonomers reported the existence of a planet even closer to the sun than Mercury. In 1859, a scientist as renowned as Leverrier, who discovered the planet Neptune, announced that he had calculated the orbit of the planet following six observations. This planet was given the name of "Vulcan." The last reported observation of "Vulcan" was in 1876, and it is now said to have never existed.


That is interesting! How could they just dismiss the factual observations of so many astonomers? Do they think that it was some kind of mass, ongoing hallucination or something?

Massive eliptical orbits don't make sense, because they were never seen again. Venus' satelite was observed for 19 years, and then vanished. "Vulcan" was observed for 114 years, and then vanished. The only sense that can be derived from this,is:

1. They were somehow destroyed, by an asteroid, or something else.
2. They were "moved" elsewhere, by some unknown highly superior race of beings from elsewhere in the universe.
3. That they were actually some kind of massive "ships." that were intelligently guided.
4. The instruments of the period were inferior, and caused some kind of inner-lens reflection, under certain circumstances- like maybe with variation of quality and precisness of lens- irregularities between lenses. Why only venus and the sun affected? (by the "satellite" and "Vulcan.") Maybe the particular qualities, or make-up of light emmitted by the Sun and by Venus? Stretching here, but very interesting quandry. I had never heard of this particular piece of atronomical history.

Very interesting, to say the least, Vulcanic. Thanks for sharing.

Hawk


i agree too with you, i know these astronomers must have saw something and i think your ideas are good :flop:

only other idea i can add is maybe the orbit itself is very odd and it's only visable for a short time every 100 years or more or it got caught in one of our planets orbits and has crashed.

hard to say but it is very interesting.

could the ancients have seen something like this and something on earth happend like claimed gods 1st came have been linked into it?

its well known that the ancients were obsessed with the heavens and they linked events on earth to the passing stars. this could explain storys of nibiru.
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PostTue Dec 01, 2009 11:19 pm » by Savwafair2012


vulcanic wrote:Note: This article is speculative in nature and may or may not be correct

Lucifer was a planet as well as a super being. This planet was located between our present Mars and Jupiter(where now lies the inner asteroid belt). The planet Lucifer is known by many other names: Maldek, Phaeton, Rex, etc., but is most aptly named after the super archangel who ruled over it -Lucifer. Lucifer was a perfect and beautiful being and his planet was one of ten in the solar system of that time. The planet Lucifer rivaled the Sun in splendor and may in fact have been a second sun or binary. The Luciferians living on it were a godly people until their leader fell from grace and brought them to ruin along with a third of the entire solar system.

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Lucifer was of course thwarted and defeated in his attempt to become the ruler of our solar system, who was then Michael or the Sun, and his home planet was destroyed or flung into the far reaches of the solar system. Planet Lucifer may have exploded into billions or trillions of pieces creating at least three rings or asteroid belts. The most famous is of course that between Mars and Jupiter, but there is a smaller one around the Sun, and of course a larger one beyond Neptune now known as the Kuiper belt. The Oort cloud may be the final ring of accumulated debris. It was this explosion and the resulting debris that cratered the planets and moons and produced their rings, disrupted the planetary orbits and rotations, and gave birth to the meteors and comets.

Astrologically, Lucifer was of the combined nature of Virgo, Libra, and Scorpio, which according to esoteric tradition, were then one sign(and one planet). Virgo was Lucifer's purity and dedication. Libra was Lucifer's perfect beauty and wisdom, and Scorpio was Lucifer's dark or extreme side. These three qualities made Lucifer too powerful or gifted for his own good and led to his conceit, rebellion, and downfall. Before Lucifer's unruly power got out of hand, he was supernaturally cut down and changed forever. His essence was literally divided into three separate parts so that he was greatly weakened and no longer posed a threat. Lucifer became the new signs of Virgo, Libra, and Scorpio, increasing the zodiac from ten to twelve signs. There were now also twelve major planets instead of ten.

The large planet Lucifer had many moons or small planets some of which may very well have survived its destruction and which were were blasted to the ends of our solar system("cast into outer darkness"). The largest of these may be the current dwarf planets or plutoids two of which are Pluto, Eris. Vulcan? may be the third, and all three represent separate aspects of Lucifer. These remnants of Lucifer straddle the Kuiper belt and beyond exercising great power over the collective aspect of being and preserve the history of a turbulent past.

In the book, Outer Space People and Inner Earth People, the author, William Lester Blessing, states that Lucifer was in fact our own planet Earth, in its previous incarnation. The Earth was then as large or larger than our Sun making ours a BINARY solar system. It was populated by LUCIFERIANS and named after its leader LUCIFER. Around the planet Lucifer revolved many planets and moons includiing Lilith(named after Lucifer's wife) which are now scattered across the solar system after it was destroyed or went nova. The people on Lucifer must have been giants and lived to a least a thousand years old. Was the creation story of Genesis in the Christian bible a description of the rebirth, reconstuction, or partial restoration of a former and greater Earth?


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PostWed Dec 02, 2009 12:02 am » by Seahawk


vulcanic wrote:
seahawk100 wrote:
vulcanic wrote:Charles Fort never tired of pointing out the mistakes of astronomers. It is hard to explain how 15 noted astronomers, during the years 1645 to 1764, reported observing a satellite of the planet Venus. Its orbit was calculated by the German mathematician Johann Lambert, but it was not reported seen by anyone after March, 1764. It is equally difficult to understand how, beginning in 1762, for more than a century, astonomers reported the existence of a planet even closer to the sun than Mercury. In 1859, a scientist as renowned as Leverrier, who discovered the planet Neptune, announced that he had calculated the orbit of the planet following six observations. This planet was given the name of "Vulcan." The last reported observation of "Vulcan" was in 1876, and it is now said to have never existed.


That is interesting! How could they just dismiss the factual observations of so many astonomers? Do they think that it was some kind of mass, ongoing hallucination or something?

Massive eliptical orbits don't make sense, because they were never seen again. Venus' satelite was observed for 19 years, and then vanished. "Vulcan" was observed for 114 years, and then vanished. The only sense that can be derived from this,is:

1. They were somehow destroyed, by an asteroid, or something else.
2. They were "moved" elsewhere, by some unknown highly superior race of beings from elsewhere in the universe.
3. That they were actually some kind of massive "ships." that were intelligently guided.
4. The instruments of the period were inferior, and caused some kind of inner-lens reflection, under certain circumstances- like maybe with variation of quality and precisness of lens- irregularities between lenses. Why only venus and the sun affected? (by the "satellite" and "Vulcan.") Maybe the particular qualities, or make-up of light emmitted by the Sun and by Venus? Stretching here, but very interesting quandry. I had never heard of this particular piece of atronomical history.

Very interesting, to say the least, Vulcanic. Thanks for sharing.

Hawk


i agree too with you, i know these astronomers must have saw something and i think your ideas are good :flop:

only other idea i can add is maybe the orbit itself is very odd and it's only visable for a short time every 100 years or more or it got caught in one of our planets orbits and has crashed.

I thought about the odd orbit possibilty, but could it be such a long orbit that it hasn't been seen in 133 years?- and at the same time be such a slow orbit that allowed it to be viewed regularly for 114 years? It seems that you could make sense of one or the other, but together, they seem to contradict that theory. Vulcan would have to have a "long" eliptical orbit, and then circles the sun for 114 years, and then changes it's orbit again- to the long eliptical one. Not feasible.

Plus, if it were closer to the sun than Mercury, which averages 36 million miles from the sun- earth is 93- then how could it possibly have escaped the sun's gravitational pull? The sun's mass is 333,000 x that of earth, and it has a pull 28x the amount of gravity on earth. So if anything, it crashed into the Sun- that's a possibility, I suppose. .


hard to say but it is very interesting.

could the ancients have seen something like this and something on earth happend like claimed gods 1st came have been linked into it?

That, is definately a possibility, if it's true that extraterretrials actually visited/ were here at that time.

its well known that the ancients were obsessed with the heavens and they linked events on earth to the passing stars. this could explain storys of nibiru.


Yeah, if Vulcan/Nebiru, was observed near the sun at that point in history, then it seems reasonble, at least, that maybe it was slowly spiraling inward, toward the sun, due to the Sun's constant gravitational pull. So, perhaps it got to a "nearest' point- where the gravity overwhelmed/out-weighed the equilbrium of balance/distance- in relation to the size of Niberu/Vulcan- and it went quickly spiraling into the sun. It would be interesting to see what kind of anomalous activities were recorded, regarding the sun, at that period of time- 1876

I was looking for info. on solar activity for that time period, but have run out of time.


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