Noah's Ark found?

[nm156 Profile]

This photo of what is alleged to be wood inside a possible site of Noah's Ark on Mount Ararat reveals apparent cobwebs, which archaeologist Bob Cornuke says would be impossible in a glacier at high altitude. (photo: Noah's Ark Ministries International):
http://www.wnd.com/images/arkcobwebs1.jpg.

Caucasian Spiders
2. Spiders in High Mountain Ecosystems
High Mountain Ecosystems start above the tree line (in the Caucasus between 1700 and 2700 a. s. l.) where no trees can exist due to the harsh conditions and short vegetation period at such high altitudes. Based on vegetational characteristics a number of altitudinal zones can be distinguished: the alpine zone, the subnival zone and the nival zone. As in most other animal and plant groups the species richness of abundance spiders decreases with altitude. However, a number of high mountain specialist species live only here. They are characterized by adaptations to the comparatively simple structured habitats, the harsh environmental conditions and short vegetational period at high altitudes.

Spiders can be found in all high mountain zones. Directly above the tree-line in the alpine zone (1700 - 4000 m), spiders mostly live on the ground between rocks and plant roots or on the few woody plants left (e. g. on Rhododenron caucasicum, R. luteum). At above 4000 m last grassy patches begin to disappear with increasing altitude and become more and more patchy (sub-nival zone) Above the climatic frontier of permanent snow (true nival zone) the last few remaining spiders live in a few sheltered microhabitats such as rock crevices, temporary snow and ice caves or between the remaining mosses and lichens. A number of yet undiscovered spider species are expected in such remote habitats and collecting spiders there would most probably yield very interesting results.

The air in the high mountains is usually dry, too. As most spider species are vulnerable to dehydration, they try to find more mumid microhabitats for web-making, hunting, reproduction, etc. Therefore, crevises and the lower surface of rocks in old rockslides are populated by a community of spiders. They are mostly characterised by small species (e. g. Linyphiidae, Theridiidae) but occasionally larger spiders of the family Gnaphosidae can be found, too. Older rockslides with a beginning succession of mosses and higher plants shelter more spiders because of the more diverse habitat-structures and a moister microclimate compared to more recent, dryer rockslides into which spiders still need to immigrate.

It was once known that life under the Arntarctic Ice Sheets didn't exist, the world was flat and the Earth was the center of the Universe. So couldn't it be possible that spiders would have found a vast dark wooden cave an outstanding lair. The atmosphere may have also been more oxygen rich then, than it is today.

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:think: that would be interesting

Turkish and Chinese explorers claim to have found Noah’s Ark
27 April, 2010 | 13:16
A group of Turkish and Chinese explorers belonging to the “Noah’s Ark Ministries International” have announced in Turkey that they have found Noah’s Ark, 4000m up, in the famous Agri (Ararat) mountain in East Turkey.

The team of Evangelists who went up the Agri (Ararat) mountain in East Turkey have even claimed that they have entered the Noah’s Ark and have pictures and specimens to prove it.

According to the explorers, the specimens taken from the remains of the boat they have found have a carbon date of 4,800 years and matches the story told by historians.

If the explorers are right, then they have found one of the most famous ships ever to be known to man kind.

Mr Yeung Wing who was part of the team of explorers and is a documentary film maker based in Hong Kong said “It’s not 100 per cent that it is Noah’s Ark but we think it is 99.9 per cent that this is it,”

The group consisting of over 15 explorers from Hong Kong and Turkey were at the press conference they organised yesterday and showed the press, some of the specimens they brought from the alleged Ark consisting of ropes, nails and pieces of wood.

According to the description of the explorers, there were ropes and nails presumed to keep the famous boat together and to tie the animals as-well-as several wooden compartments where were said to keep the animals in.

It has also been reported that, Turkish officials will ask Ankara to apply for UNESCO World Heritage status to protect the site. The Noah’s Ark Ministries International have also announced that a major archaeological dig will be carried out in the mountain but this will not be easy with the weather conditions being tough and the height of the finding.

According to religious faiths including Judaism, Christianity, Islam, and many other, Noah was ordered by God to build a ship to house his family, himself and the world’s animals from a huge flood which was to perish earth. It is then believed that when the waters receded, the Ark rested at a mountain.
Specimens taken from the finding of the Chinese and Turkish exploration group to find the Noah's Ark

Specimens taken from the finding of the Chinese and Turkish exploration group in Ararat mountain, East, Turkey.

Though the Noah’s Ark is referred to in all major religions but in different ways but none actually say where the Noah’s Ark was.

Turkish locals around the famous mountain and in many other cities have long believed that the Ark was indeed at the Ararat mountain after a Turkish air force pilot on a NATO mapping mission saw a boat like object on in Dogubayazit, Turkey.

The boat like remains was thought to be the fossilised remains of the Arch but in 2006 a detailed satellite image of the northwest corner of Mt. Ararat in eastern Turkey had clearly depicted a boat like image under the snow coated mountain.

Some experts however believe that the remains may be part of a human settlement, but the explorers are denying this by saying, “we have never found a human settlement above 3,500 meters in the history of mankind”.

It is also said that the finding was very well preserved due to the freezing temperatures of the mountain at 4000 meters.

http://www.nationalturk.com/en/turkish- ... k-57235622

hi!! just found this intresting interview,i thougt to share it whith you all on this topic

Date: 04-27-10 Host: George Noory Guests: Joe Kovacs, Richard Rives

COAST TO COAST AM - 1 OF 3 - NOAH'S ARK.

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[Sheeple Profile]

Statement of Noah's Ark Ministries International (NAMI) on Randall Price’s recently released document “The Alleged Discovery of a Wooden Structure on Mt. Ararat by a Chinese-Turkish Expedition that is claimed to be the Remains of Noah's Ark”

In response to the recent reporting on the doubts of the discovery of the wooden structure on Mount Ararat by Noah’s Ark Ministries International (NAMI) and Turkish research team, based on the personal opinion and letter released by Randall Price, NAMI would like to clarify our stand in it.

1. NAMI did work with Randall Price for a short period in Turkey about 2 weeks in 2008 but we have never climbed the mountain together with him. In his letter mentioned that he has “difficulties with a number of issues related to the evidence at hand….”. We are not sure about what kind of evidence he has because he had never been in the location of the wooden structure we identified. We had suspended co-operation with him since then. We regret for that because he is an archeologist and would have help the team in interpreting the finding.

2. Everyone has ever climbed Mount Ararat would know the terrain above 3,800m is so rugged that you cannot carry anything more than a backpack. We have communicated to Mr. Muhsin Bulut, the Director of Cultural Ministries, Agri Province, where Mount Ararat locates and sought his opinion about the possibility of transporting a lot of timber and planting a large wood structure high on an altitude of 4,000m. He assured us that the mountain is a restricted area and strictly monitored; therefore, such an act was impossible.

3. We have received many feedbacks and emails from different Ark researchers so far. Some of them we know and some we don’t. Most of them show great interest and positive towards this discovery.

We welcome different opinions on the search of Noah’s Ark. To provide a channel for the public to get to know a more complete picture and unfold stories behind the discovery, our official website http://www.noahsarksearch.net will have feature interviews from next week with our research team members and experts from different areas to share their opinions and provide much more updated information about ark search. Also, a discussion forum will be started in the website shortly for all those interested in this topic to exchange idea and their professional point of views.

Noah's Ark Ministries International
April 30, 2010

[Constabul Profile]

I'm sure a few of ye troll ATS site, for those that don't, it's pretty much a larger version of here.. many of the same topics, just different cliques. Anyway, here is a nice post on the recent, re-rediscovery of rediscovered noah's ark. Copied and Pasted, It's not mine, nor my grammer, enjoy..
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(May 2) -- When Robert Cargill got word this week that a group of Chinese evangelicals had uncovered Noah's Ark atop a Turkish mountain, the archaeologist's reaction was a familiar one.

"I thought, here we go again -- another fake 'ark-eologist,' " says Cargill, an adjunct assistant professor of Near Eastern languages and cultures at UCLA.

His skepticism may prove well founded: A former member of the joint team from Noah's Ark Ministries International and Media Evangelism Ltd. that announced the find has circulated an e-mail suggesting that the discovery might have been staged. And if that's the case, it would be just the latest in a series of hoaxes surrounding the much-searched-for vessel.

Indeed, it was word of two previous ark expeditions that helped prompt the American Schools of Oriental Research, the leading professional organization of American Middle Eastern archaeologists, to take action.

Fed up with the exposure these types of stories were getting in the media, the group last year launched a committee tasked with taking aim at archaeological frauds.

"We really just decided that it was time to take back our field," says Eric Cline, a George Washington University archaeologist. He and Cargill co-chair the committee, whose membership also includes the Archaeological Institute of America and the Society of Biblical Literature.

'A Spade in One Hand and a Bible in the Other'

In the past, biblical scholars and archaeologists rolled their eyes when claims of a blockbuster find emerged, preferring to keep quiet rather than dignify them with a response. But scholars now worry that their silence has allowed such claims to breed, damaging the whole field's credibility.

"We said, 'We have got to find a way to respond to these amateurs,' " Cargill says. "We can have a coordinated response on behalf of the academy and say, 'No that's not true, and here's why.' And we do it in the public media and not some obscure journal that nobody reads."

Now, whenever a suspect archaeological discovery hits the headlines, the committee and its associated scholars churn into action -- reaching out to journalists, writing blog posts, sending out Twitter and Facebook alerts, and dispatching op-eds to newspapers and magazines.

Last year, the committee geared up when media began reporting that a German archaeologist was claiming a link between the site of Göbekli Tepe in Turkey and the Garden of Eden. Members blogged about the claim, with one calling it "unnecessary and unscientific." Later the group held a conference titled "Archaeology, Politics and the Media" at Duke University, with sessions including "Scholars Behaving Badly: Sensationalism and Archaeology in the Media" and "The Lure of Proof and the Legacy of Biblical Archaeology: Scholars and the Media."

Then Cargill went after a former Oklahoma arson investigator's claim to have "broken the code" on an ancient copper Dead Sea Scroll that purports to be a list of buried treasure.

And he minced no words this week when he tore into the new ark claims on his blog. Cline, for his part, got himself on "Good Morning America" and Fox News and was quoted in Time.

The latest Noah's Ark report highlights a larger issue that has faced the field of Near Eastern archaeology since its early days.

The problem, scholars say, emerges when religious believers -- largely evangelical Christians, but some from other faiths as well -- head out into the field seeking physical proof for articles of faith. "A spade in one hand and a Bible in the other" is a common sobriquet for their efforts.

While there's nothing to prevent well-trained believers from being good archaeologists, Cline says it becomes a problem when "amateur enthusiasts" organize expeditions to hunt for specific biblical artifacts.

"When you call yourself Noah's Ark Ministries and you go out looking for the ark and you find it -- boy what a coincidence," says Cline, author of "From Eden to Exile: Unraveling Mysteries of the Bible." "If we [scholars] find something, we will evaluate it on its own merits rather than jumping to the conclusion that we found what we're looking for. But the evangelicals or fundamentalists of whatever faith don't have that training and cannot separate the science from the faith.

"It's not that we professional archaeologists are more elitist or better than they are," Cline adds. "But we're trained to separate our beliefs from our science."

'Publishing by Press Conference'

But Randall Price isn't so sure.

The former ark-hunting team member who has now cast doubt on the recent find, Price says that in a scientific age, faith often is not taken seriously -- and objects like Noah's Ark, which are associated with supernatural events, are therefore labeled as myths. Scholars who accept the historicity of the Bible, he says, see it as the historical documentation of biblical events and artifacts, and view archaeology as a means to demonstrate the plausibility of biblical accounts.

"If the Bible is real history, it can be confirmed by real discoveries of the past," says Price, who directs the Center for Judaic Studies at Liberty University in Lynchburg, Va. "For this reason, it is both acceptable, and desirable, that archaeology and other means of the scientific investigation be employed as handmaids to biblical faith."

There's a well-established history of faithful seekers flocking to sites where famous relics are thought to be buried.

"There are certain biblical artifacts -- like the Ark of the Covenant and the Ark of Noah -- that just seem to bring out a lot of amateur searchers," says Bill Crouse, president of Christian Information Ministries, who has spent years searching for Noah's Ark. "My concern is that well-meaning Christians jump the gun, and this thing becomes viral on the Internet. A lot of Christians are confused because they thought the ark was found two years ago, or two years before that."
Scholars acknowledge that amateurs can make important discoveries: a Bedouin goat-herd found the original Dead Sea Scrolls cache while searching a cave for a missing member of his flock. The problem, they say, arises when these amateurs try to interpret what they find instead of passing it along to scholars for investigation and publication in scholarly journals.

When they "publish by press conference," Cargill says, the ark hunters betray their real motive: cash. "Noah's Ark quests are always about the money -- always," he argues. "This group was put together to do one thing and one thing only: make money and spread ideology by pimping both archaeology and religion."

He points out that one member of the recent expedition, Yeung Wing-Cheung, has directed a documentary about the hunt for the ark and is selling the DVD online. The Media Evangelism Ltd., meanwhile, operates a Noah's Ark theme park that needs to sell tickets.

All this, Cline says, makes the lives of real scholars more challenging. "The gullible believers and evangelicals, along with other faiths, throw money at these expeditions not knowing whether they're going to produce anything," he says. "Every year we have to scrounge for money to run a real excavation that may shed some real light."

In any event, Cargill says, if Noah's Ark existed, it would have been taken apart years ago for its wood -- which long since would have decomposed. "It's just one big scam. The ancients were great recyclers," he says.

"In my opinion, there is no Noah's Ark. And if there is, it's not there anymore."
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One way or the other the Bible stories always come to be corroborated by cientific finds in our modern day life...it has always been that way

[jetxvii]

One way or the other the Bible stories always come to be corroborated by cientific finds in our modern day life...it has always been that way

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COAST TO COAST AM - 1 OF 3 - NOAH'S ARK


COAST TO COAST AM - 2 OF 3 - NOAH'S ARK


COAST TO COAST AM - 3 OF 3 - NOAH'S ARK

[Pateriot Profile]

Can anyone say fraud? Apparently perputrated by the guides in an attempt to extort money out of the Christain Chinese group. The heart does skip a beat and want to believe that someday there will be an exciting find like this though.

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Noahs Ark Hoax Claim Does not Deter Believers
May, 01 2010

Earlier this week a group of Chinese Christians held a news conference to announce they were 99.9 percent sure they had found Noah's Ark. Most likely, the claim is false, but that won't stop Ark enthusiasts from believing the biblical boat is out there somewhere.



Earlier this week a group of Chinese Christians held a news conference to announce they were 99.9 percent sure they had found Noah's Ark - the boat the Bible says was built by God's most righteous man before a "sinful" human race drowned in the Great Flood.

Maybe the find on Mount Ararat in Turkey really is Noah's Ark. More likely, it isn't. But if it isn't, that won't stop Ark enthusiasts from believing it is out there somewhere.

Immediately in the wake of the news flash, experts weighed in to shoot it down. "The wood in the photos is not old enough" ... "There are no location pictures to verify the site" ... "No independent experts have looked at the data" ... "There's never been evidence of a great flood."

And the people voicing the loudest caution are biblical archeologists who believe the ark is real and that it can be found.

Dr. Randall Price, head of Judaic Studies at Liberty University, had been a cohort of the Noah's Ark Ministries International team until two years ago. He pulled out of the project, sensing they were being taken advantage of by Kurdish guides, who've turned Ark searching into a cottage industry.

"I think we can't rule out the possibility that this is a hoax, because a lot of the things that happen in that region of the world, and especially with the Kurdish guides that are involved, are designed to try to extract money from gullible people," Price said.

But he added: "I'm reserving my opinion at this point until I see how things are developing."

Dr. John Morris, lead archeologist at the Institute for Creation Research, says "I'm leaning towards that the Chinese people have been deceived."

Morris has led 13 expeditions to Mount Ararat looking for the ark. He knows the area well and says of the recent find, "At best, it is an elaborate deception."

Morris and Price were contacted by the Chinese team to take part in the press event, but they declined based on how little evidence they saw.

Professor Porcher Taylor at the University of Richmond says he, too, believes it is not Noah's Ark, because "they're digging in the wrong place on Mt. Ararat."

Taylor says satellite imaging of the region about a half mile away from where the Chinese group says they found the ark shows what has been called "the Ararat anomaly," an area that has intrigued the U.S. intelligence community for years.

"If the remains of Noah's Ark are on Mt. Ararat," Taylor says, "the only logical place would be at the Ararat anomaly site, and not at the site in these sensational claims made by this group."

A fundamental question separating scientific inquiry into Noah's Ark is: Is the account of the great flood in the Bible true, or is it a mythical legend?

Dr. Paul Zimansky, professor of archeology and ancient history at State University of New York at Stony Brook, says, "I think it has all the earmarks of a story, but in any case it isn't anything we can investigate as an archaeologist."

A catastrophic flood on Earth is spoken of in many ancient cultures: in Sumerian, Babylonian, Greek, Hindu, Gallic, Scandinavian and Chinese legends. Some even predate the Old Testament.

The odd thing, Zimansky says, is that even though there are written accounts of the flood in all these cultures, archaeologists have yet to find evidence of it.

If you take the Bible literally, Zimansky says, "this ark is going to be deposited in an archaeological context which would be a flood stratum. And it's not going to be a little flood stratum. It's going to cover the entire Earth. Well, no such flood stratum exists."

And that's where Morris disagrees with archaeologists like Zimansky.

"It all depends on your presupposition," says Morris. "I think they're looking at it through the wrong glasses."

Morris says a great flood would shape the landscape of the entire planet - carving out crevices like the Grand Canyon, even separating huge masses of land like the African and South American continents.

"Everything on earth gives evidence of the flood," Morris says.

That is why he is convinced something is up there on Mt. Ararat. He says there have been hundreds accounts from eyewitnesses saying they saw what looked like a big ship. Some of those accounts, he says, are from pilots who flew over the area during World War II. Considerable amounts of military data and ground-penetrating imaging have reported showing a shape of something manmade on the mountain.

Taylor is also convinced Noah's Ark is there, because of the Ararat anomaly's shape and size. "The boat-shaped Ararat anomaly and Noah's Ark both have a 6-to-1 length-to-width ratio," he says.

The Ark, depending on how you measure a cubit, could be anywhere from 450 to 600 feet long. The anomaly is 1,200 feet. But, Porcher says, scientists have debated for years the length of a cubit, which is thought to be the length of a man's forearm between the elbow and the tip of his finger. But whose elbow?

The Bible talks of "the Nephilim" (Genesis 6:1-4) being in the world at that time. The Nephilim were giants or a very large race. If a cubit was measured by the length of a very large man's forearm, Porcher says that would mean "the ark was much larger than previously thought."

Many experts have concluded from examining the photos that the images are of rock formations that strongly resemble the boat described in Genesis.

Whatever it is, it convinces Morris, and countless others, to keep returning to Mt. Ararat, hoping to find what their faith tells them can be found.
http://www.archaeologydaily.com/news/20 ... evers.html

[jetxvii]

Noahs Ark Hoax Claim Does not Deter Believers
May, 01 2010

Earlier this week a group of Chinese Christians held a news conference to announce they were 99.9 percent sure they had found Noah's Ark. Most likely, the claim is false, but that won't stop Ark enthusiasts from believing the biblical boat is out there somewhere.



Earlier this week a group of Chinese Christians held a news conference to announce they were 99.9 percent sure they had found Noah's Ark - the boat the Bible says was built by God's most righteous man before a "sinful" human race drowned in the Great Flood.

Maybe the find on Mount Ararat in Turkey really is Noah's Ark. More likely, it isn't. But if it isn't, that won't stop Ark enthusiasts from believing it is out there somewhere.

Immediately in the wake of the news flash, experts weighed in to shoot it down. "The wood in the photos is not old enough" ... "There are no location pictures to verify the site" ... "No independent experts have looked at the data" ... "There's never been evidence of a great flood."

And the people voicing the loudest caution are biblical archeologists who believe the ark is real and that it can be found.

Dr. Randall Price, head of Judaic Studies at Liberty University, had been a cohort of the Noah's Ark Ministries International team until two years ago. He pulled out of the project, sensing they were being taken advantage of by Kurdish guides, who've turned Ark searching into a cottage industry.

"I think we can't rule out the possibility that this is a hoax, because a lot of the things that happen in that region of the world, and especially with the Kurdish guides that are involved, are designed to try to extract money from gullible people," Price said.

But he added: "I'm reserving my opinion at this point until I see how things are developing."

Dr. John Morris, lead archeologist at the Institute for Creation Research, says "I'm leaning towards that the Chinese people have been deceived."

Morris has led 13 expeditions to Mount Ararat looking for the ark. He knows the area well and says of the recent find, "At best, it is an elaborate deception."

Morris and Price were contacted by the Chinese team to take part in the press event, but they declined based on how little evidence they saw.

Professor Porcher Taylor at the University of Richmond says he, too, believes it is not Noah's Ark, because "they're digging in the wrong place on Mt. Ararat."

Taylor says satellite imaging of the region about a half mile away from where the Chinese group says they found the ark shows what has been called "the Ararat anomaly," an area that has intrigued the U.S. intelligence community for years.

"If the remains of Noah's Ark are on Mt. Ararat," Taylor says, "the only logical place would be at the Ararat anomaly site, and not at the site in these sensational claims made by this group."

A fundamental question separating scientific inquiry into Noah's Ark is: Is the account of the great flood in the Bible true, or is it a mythical legend?

Dr. Paul Zimansky, professor of archeology and ancient history at State University of New York at Stony Brook, says, "I think it has all the earmarks of a story, but in any case it isn't anything we can investigate as an archaeologist."

A catastrophic flood on Earth is spoken of in many ancient cultures: in Sumerian, Babylonian, Greek, Hindu, Gallic, Scandinavian and Chinese legends. Some even predate the Old Testament.

The odd thing, Zimansky says, is that even though there are written accounts of the flood in all these cultures, archaeologists have yet to find evidence of it.

If you take the Bible literally, Zimansky says, "this ark is going to be deposited in an archaeological context which would be a flood stratum. And it's not going to be a little flood stratum. It's going to cover the entire Earth. Well, no such flood stratum exists."

And that's where Morris disagrees with archaeologists like Zimansky.

"It all depends on your presupposition," says Morris. "I think they're looking at it through the wrong glasses."

Morris says a great flood would shape the landscape of the entire planet - carving out crevices like the Grand Canyon, even separating huge masses of land like the African and South American continents.

"Everything on earth gives evidence of the flood," Morris says.

That is why he is convinced something is up there on Mt. Ararat. He says there have been hundreds accounts from eyewitnesses saying they saw what looked like a big ship. Some of those accounts, he says, are from pilots who flew over the area during World War II. Considerable amounts of military data and ground-penetrating imaging have reported showing a shape of something manmade on the mountain.

Taylor is also convinced Noah's Ark is there, because of the Ararat anomaly's shape and size. "The boat-shaped Ararat anomaly and Noah's Ark both have a 6-to-1 length-to-width ratio," he says.

The Ark, depending on how you measure a cubit, could be anywhere from 450 to 600 feet long. The anomaly is 1,200 feet. But, Porcher says, scientists have debated for years the length of a cubit, which is thought to be the length of a man's forearm between the elbow and the tip of his finger. But whose elbow?

The Bible talks of "the Nephilim" (Genesis 6:1-4) being in the world at that time. The Nephilim were giants or a very large race. If a cubit was measured by the length of a very large man's forearm, Porcher says that would mean "the ark was much larger than previously thought."

Many experts have concluded from examining the photos that the images are of rock formations that strongly resemble the boat described in Genesis.

Whatever it is, it convinces Morris, and countless others, to keep returning to Mt. Ararat, hoping to find what their faith tells them can be found.
http://www.archaeologydaily.com/news/20 ... evers.html

Ignorance.