Not sure what to title this, but it is for you religious ppl

Mon Jan 10, 2011 2:22 am » by **Iwanci**

I am not going to enter into any arguments about watching videos or not watching videos, or where anyone chooses to obtain their information. Me not watching your videos means nothing more than I didn’t watch them. You having watched them does not mean that you are any wiser for doing so either, nor am I for not watching them.

I like debate, I like people using their minds to think things through, I think most of you will notice that I am not a man of few words and I do not let ‘vids’ of other people, no matter how much I agree with them , speak for me.

I gather my information from various sources, which could be right or wrong, I do not push these down anyone’s throats and I do not profess to be more righteous than my fellow man. If I was to watch every video that was presented I would not have enough time in the day to think of anything.

For those that would like my views on the heart, views that have nothing to do with religion, nor science, nor are emotive, please read on, for those of you who think this is crap…please yourselves.

I am not here to be proven right, nor am I here to be proven wrong, I am here to learn and here to share, together through sharing we learn.

Back to the heart…

Could it be that when you are sad, your mind thinks negatively and slows your heart rate down, hence the feeling you get in your ‘heart’. When you are happy or excited the brain speeds up the flow of blood to feed this excitement and it uses the heart to do so, hence the feelings you get in your heart. The blood contains many ingredients that the brain thrives on, some are like a drug, feels good I want more, feels bad I want less.

I believe the feelings you and I feel from the heart have to do with the way the blood is flowing or being pumped, and hence the amount of chemicals we are receiving in our brains. When we exercise we have similar feelings but interpret these feelings differently because we correlate them to the exercise, when emotions are involved it is harder to make the mental connection so we say that the feelings are from the ‘heart’, indeed they are but what you are feeling is imply the flow of blood, the mechanical use of the heart and the subsequent injection of chemicals into the brain. Naturally it comes from the heart first because it is the heart that controls the rate at which the chemicals are delivered to the brain, so you would often feel it in your heart first, increase or decrease in rate.

I have ‘experimented’ on myself many times, when I feel excited blood rushes through my body and my heart beat increases, being able to be aware of this I am able to use my brain to reduce my heart rate restoring my natural state of calm. I do this when I go to interview for example, it is easy to get ‘choked’ up or to lose focus simply because the brain is getting anxious and is telling your heart to feed it more and increase the blood flow.. knowing this, you can actually direct your brain to stay calm and the heart rate follows. Lie detectors I am guessing would work in a similar fashion, keep the heart rate steady and you can lie through your teeth.

The following will sound funny but will help many with pre-mature ejaculation problems. Next time you are about to ‘’’’’orgasm’’’’’ try and stay calm, be conscious and tell your mind to slow down the blood flow through your body, enough to keep you on the job but not enough to excite you to the point of conclusion, you could go all night. What often happens is that the ‘feel’ good chemicals are being rushed to the brain, brain loves this and wants more and wants it quicker, and there is your problem, no control of self.
Fortunately for everyone, this experiment will require repetition many many many times. Being able to control your heart rate and hence blood flow through the use of your brain is a difficult but worthwhile exercise and will help you in many cases.

How many of you have heard this… “in the event that you fall in the water it is important to STAY CALM”. Why are we told this repeatedly when there is a risk to us? Simple.. it is to force us to think consciously about calmness, why? Because staying calm helps maintain our blood flow at a level which allows us to maintain a rational thought process, enough at times t get us out of trouble.

So why then does the human body have the inbuilt subconscious ability to increase and decrease the heart rate? Simple, it is a survival mechanism. Increasing the blood flow and hence the delivery of chemicals to the brain will help you stay alive in an emergency without having to think about it too deeply. The increase of blood flow and chemicals allow the body to have the sudden injection (adrenalin) it needs to achieve the extra task, like for example, running faster to get out of the way of an oncoming lion or car, run through a burning house to safety, swim the extra few meters to shore, pump more blood into your muscles to give you the extra strength to protect yourself or to think a little faster. Conversely, your body has the inbuilt ability to decrease blood flow for survival also, to conserve energy for example, to stay a little less warmer but for a longer period, or to store energy for later use. Why would sadness make us decrease our blood supply? Not sure, however, what if the body knows that there is no amount of blood that will cure the sadness at that moment and it decides to hold back some of the supply and provide it after the initial sadness to recover a little quicker, it knows it will need a hand climbing back up the psychological hill after a sad event has taken it to the bottom. In some cases the heart feels so broken that we feel like we are going to die, in these cases of extreme sadness perhaps we are giving up on life and our bodies are simply giving up, hence we don’t have the need for blood and are trying to just shut off the supply, the body of course won’t let this happen but we subconsciously will it to slow the supply down.

Like I have said many times, the human body is a brilliant machine, the brain is the pinnacle of creation, we have simply forgotten how to use it. Through time however we are rediscovering our inbuilt abilities.

Mon Jan 10, 2011 2:55 am » by **Constabul**

iwanci wrote:I am not going to enter into any arguments about watching videos or not watching videos, or where anyone chooses to obtain their information. I wasn't asking, nor baiting you to, at this point, your just pontificating for whatever reason..Me not watching your videos means nothing more than I didn’t watch them. You having watched them does not mean that you are any wiser for doing so either, nor am I for not watching them. They why comment on the videos being posted? really? wtf dude, Again, just pontification? you just like seeing your own posts?

I like debate, cool, I like people using their minds to think things through,much is the point of my post of this whole thread I think most of you will notice that I am not a man of few words and I do not let ‘vids’ of other peopleverses who? is this intended towards me , no matter how much I agree with them , speak for me.

I gather my information from various sources, which could be right or wrong, I do not push these down anyone’s throats and I do not profess to be more righteous than my fellow man not sure how any of these admissions are even relevant. but i'm sure you feel better having said them . If I was to watch every video that was presented I would not have enough time in the day to think of anything.again, why are you commenting if your so above the shit because you method is better, why are you commenting, just trying to follow the logic here.
iwanci wrote:Thanks for the vids… the guy lost me after the first two words… ‘I Think’.

This is great because he is doing what we all should be doing.. thinking. But to think does not in itself prove anything other than you have the ability, to think.

Great but not looking at another vid about another person’s thoughts, these are infinite.

you obviously took the time to get to "I think" before you started pew pewing, so, why are we even discussing this?
Maybe, just stick to the original topic

constabul wrote:A simple discussion, i would like some input on. to see how you deal with such things dealing with your faith / belief system.

Below is a quote from another post, of one of our religious types, who exemplifies the Average Believer.
An i think this could be so in all religions, but this example involves Christianity in all it's revisionist forms and glories.

eliakim wrote:
99socks wrote:I still think Eliakim should get the Al Gore plaque. Telos isn't even here to claim his prize!

You clearly require more socks, 99 are not enough for you.

Shall I ask my heavenly Father to pay you a little visit socks? Just so that you know whose the boss?

So the question i ask, is, after reading such, < and i know a few of the replies that she got from her posting> what does this make you think?

the primary reply i saw, was to mention the use of ones god as a butler to do ones bidding, implying a hypocrisy in such a comment / act.

If you are one who believes in Miracles and prayer.< which by all accounts is apart of Christianity> and practice the act of prayer, and equate what is or isn't miracle worthy.
Do you not fall into the same category as attempting to use God as a servant / butler, to do, or help the coming about of desired affected you wish to see happen? Or label an event as a miracle, verses a tragedy
Isn't this in affect, as ridicules as the above poster seems in threatening the wrath of their god? Who by New testament standers is a benevolent God <Tho old testament wise is far from the case.>

Or are you one who can claim, or say, they are not following My god, or The Christian God..
how do you come by determining the difference?
Furthermore,
Can you say with authority, that the magic Mormon undies are not required?
Or is it a matter of your Making up your own version, to suit what you deem acceptable?
Again isn't that just revisionist creation, thus, apart from the real base, and in being so, just fictional?

Are you believing The Right Version? Because by it's own account, if you are not accepting of a certain clauses, then you are destined to a fiery abyss. So what makes you so sure you are the right one?
Or have you changed that concept too?

Disclaimer : I do not even entertain the ideas or theories of a creator, i can not say there is, or is not one given humans limited spectrum of Knowledge. An overall have no need of a creator to bring me happiness or fulfillment etc etc.
But i can say that no one person or group of people have this concept figured out. They only claim to.
So in the end this is more an exercise to provoke thought, and hopefully make others question their childhood influenced belief systems. if it makes you stronger in your belief to quantify such things and keep on trucking, more power to ya.
Guess it is like those who believe in the bible story of noahs ark, then find out the story came from the Epic of Gilgamesh, or that the three wise men traveling to see the birth of jesus was a story taken from the birth of the Buddha.
Have fun with that indeed.

And if you have nothing further to add, start your own post on whatever your furtherance of conversation you are having. Maybe, Make a Topic, The Heart, and my views on such :flop:

if you want to discuss religion, and the origin and people who follow that, then certainly we can have a discussion.

Mon Jan 10, 2011 2:59 am » by **Harbin**

I approach these matters with an academic attitude. I know there is more to learn, and continual study is needed for true understanding. I am not skeptical, but challenging.

Mon Jan 10, 2011 7:41 am » by **Iwanci**

There is no ‘vs’, there is no right nor wrong Consta, I think I have stepped on your toes mate so I apologise for that, truly wasn’t trying to have the biggest dick competition with you, just stating some points I thought were applicable given the direction the thread took and believed that some could like to hear what I had to say.

As per the rest of your coments:

The thread went in that direction and I came along for the ride. Sorry if my views differ at times from yours, but such is life.
No I am not pontificating, that job is left to the pope.
I do like seeing my own posts, what is wrong with that? Do you dislike seeing yours? WTF dude, you write stuff and don’t like seeing it?? Why write it? Actually what I really enjoy is hearing replies or comments to my posts, especially the positive ones.

Don’t like what I have to say, why reply? Why hone in on certain elements of what I have written, ask questions and then not want a reply?

At any rate, take care, enjoy your thread… that’s the last word I will have in this one.

Ps. Your dick isn’t nearly as big as mine.
:flop:

Mon Jan 10, 2011 8:51 am » by **Constabul**

iwanci wrote:There is no ‘vs’, there is no right nor wrong Consta, I think I have stepped on your toes mate so I apologise for that, truly wasn’t trying to have the biggest dick competition with you, just stating some points I thought were applicable given the direction the thread took and believed that some could like to hear what I had to say.

As per the rest of your coments:

The thread went in that direction and I came along for the ride. Sorry if my views differ at times from yours, but such is life.
No I am not pontificating, that job is left to the pope.
I do like seeing my own posts, what is wrong with that? Do you dislike seeing yours? WTF dude, you write stuff and don’t like seeing it?? Why write it? Actually what I really enjoy is hearing replies or comments to my posts, especially the positive ones.

Don’t like what I have to say, why reply? Why hone in on certain elements of what I have written, ask questions and then not want a reply?

At any rate, take care, enjoy your thread… that’s the last word I will have in this one.

Ps. Your dick isn’t nearly as big as mine.

you brought up not arguing over videos, not I.
the Vs. comment, in regards to this comment

I do not let ‘vids’ of other people, no matter how much I agree with them , speak for me.

actually you were playing "biggest dick"
and you got tally wacked.
you stating points had little to due with the reason for which i engaged you in conversation. about the nature of your reply.
it was not that long ago,

iwanci wrote:
Thanks for the vids… the guy lost me after the first two words… ‘I Think’.

This is great because he is doing what we all should be doing.. thinking. But to think does not in itself prove anything other than you have the ability, to think.

Great but not looking at another vid about another person’s thoughts, these are infinite.

The thread went in that direction and I came along for the ride. Sorry if my views differ at times from yours.

i didn't expect your views to be like mine nor write anything that would lead any to think so.
still on that biggest dick kick huh..

yeah you are pontificating.

actually my question still stands, why comment on the video, if you had nothing relevant to say? if your method is better, and you look down your nose at material in video format, and it does not speak to you, or draw you in, why post on it, other then to pew pew?
simple question still not answered.

Mon Jan 10, 2011 9:30 am » by **Iwanci**

As stated in ‘your’ thread.. I will not post any further for the fear I may detract from ‘your’ thread subject.

However since you seem hell bent on engaging me in what you would otherwise call a ‘detraction’ I will allow you this…

Please re-read what I wrote (all of it) in the context in which it was written, following the thread attentively will help you in this simple task. Feel free to ask as many questions as you like if you do not understand what you have read, alternatively, and by all means state you disagree with my comments till the cows come home. Your opinion really means nothing to me, as I am sure mine to you.

Think twice speak once is a good rule of thumb for you to follow.

Now, if you have any questions… open a new thread and we can discuss it in there, message me, add me to your friend list, send me messages via courier pigeon, whatever you like.. yet again for fear of detracting from the obviously very successful thread you have developed here.

Peace

Mon Jan 10, 2011 9:54 am » by **Constabul**

iwanci wrote:As stated in ‘your’ thread.. I will not post any further for the fear I may detract from ‘your’ thread subject.
if you want to discuss religion, and the origin and people who follow that, then certainly we can have a discussion.

However since you seem hell bent on engaging me in what you would otherwise call a ‘detraction’ I will allow you this… primarily your not allowing anything
actually my question still stands, why comment on the video, if you had nothing relevant to say? if your method is better, and you look down your nose at material in video format, and it does not speak to you, or draw you in, why post on it, other then to pew pew?
simple question still not answered.
And still as of yet answered the question.
Please re-read what I wrote (all of it) in the context in which it was written, iwanci wrote:
Thanks for the vids… the guy lost me after the first two words… ‘I Think’.

This is great because he is doing what we all should be doing.. thinking. But to think does not in itself prove anything other than you have the ability, to think.

Great but not looking at another vid about another person’s thoughts, these are infinite.following the thread attentively will help you in this simple task. I am not going to enter into any arguments about watching videos or not watching videos, or where anyone chooses to obtain their information. Me not watching your videos means nothing more than I didn’t watch them. You having watched them does not mean that you are any wiser for doing so either, nor am I for not watching them.

I like debate, I like people using their minds to think things through, I think most of you will notice that I am not a man of few words and I do not let ‘vids’ of other people, no matter how much I agree with them , speak for me.

I gather my information from various sources, which could be right or wrong, I do not push these down anyone’s throats and I do not profess to be more righteous than my fellow man. If I was to watch every video that was presented I would not have enough time in the day to think of anything.

For those that would like my views on the heart, views that have nothing to do with religion, nor science, nor are emotive, please read on, for those of you who think this is crap…please yourselves.

I am not here to be proven right, nor am I here to be proven wrong, I am here to learn and here to share, together through sharing we learn.
you still haven't answer a simple question, but keep on is fun. Feel free to ask as many questionshave only asked one and you can't seem to answer. as you like if you do not understand what you have read, alternatively, and by all means state you disagree with my comments till the cows come home. Your opinion really means nothing to me then why did you post a reply to the videos i posted smartguy? lol , as I am sure mine to you.

Think twice speak once is a good rule of thumb for you to follow.maybe try sticking to topic would be my suggestion to you

Now, if you have any questions… open a new thread and we can discuss it in there, message me, add me to your friend list, send me messages via courier pigeon, whatever you like.. yet again for fear of detracting from the obviously very successful thread you have developed here. really didn't care what discussion you were having, till you made a point to comment on a video, that you stopped at "I think" and went on to talk about how great your method was. again pontification.

Peace

so i will repost my reply you your original comment.
whatever floats your boat,
but in admitting you didn't even watch the video says a bit about your self too <at least it seems you didn't watch the videos, maybe it just went over your head>. it's not that he is presenting a belief for you to follow, other then putting into words his views. Which is not an infinite number, at the time of this post there are a est'd 6,892,508,598 people on this planet, a good number of those are not old enough to even draw a conclusion on the matter yet.
and certainly that number will go up and down as people die and are born.
But much as this post is intended to do, is to provoke thought in the believers mind, primarily in the christian mind, which is who i directed the post towards. certainly enjoy the input of all, but at a certain point people jump from the realm of following a religion to speculation of belief, I.E spiritual. Where things are no so defined, other then by their actions and experiences.
It's about sharing a perspective, enlightenment, and self growth.
so, i only suggest, you take a moment to stop and listen, because you may hear a lot you agree with.

unfortunately our society is caught up in a Gimme Now syndrome, and can't take time to just expand, but instead contract.

any who tells you "I know" is full of shit, at least, someone saying "i think" is presenting you with a truth of a personal view, verses saying, "this is the way it is. I've Got your answer right here!" Which is a fallacy and a folly in logic.
really man... damn... maybe instead of telling others they need to read, you ought to.

Mon Jan 10, 2011 10:08 am » by **Iwanci**

instead of reading soo much, try stopping and reflecting on what you read a little, should do you some good. Now, off to bed young man!

Mon Jan 10, 2011 3:44 pm » by **Constabul**

constabul wrote:
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iwanci wrote:instead of reading soo much, try stopping and reflecting on what you read a little, should do you some good. Now, off to bed young man!

still wont answer the question? lol ok. that is as expected. reflecting on you stroking your own ego really does not address the question asked, so lets just back up to where you said you would bugger off because at this point you are still just pontificating, and really can't answer the question because to answer the question will show you are childish, and only made comments on it because you had nothing else to do, and feeling a sense of higher intelligence proceeded to share that with us all. where the videos in general had nothing to do with you or your comments, but you being troll had to make something about you.

All you can try to do is redirect.
again dealing with the infantile..

Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:48 pm » by **Constabul**

Sorry sam been a bit preoccupied, and distracted to address your posts, kinda snowed in atm, so taking advantage of the moment, and will see if i can touch on a few things. Again much enjoyment and well being to yas man.

samuelthemule wrote:You know the chinese whispers effect? whisper something in chinese (or any language you do not fully understand for that matter) and then pass it around a circle of 20 or so people, and see if the message is still the same when it reaches you again.

Usually, it is not.

Same effect with religion, I hope you sincerely contemplate some of the things I say, and maybe read the parts you agree or disagree with more than once, and instead of thinking along terms of yes/no right/wrong, simply ask yourself, "HOW CAN THIS BE"? And then let your imagination flow much of my progression to my opinions have been threw such practices and understanding, for as much you can site it lending credence to you position on the belief of Christianity, i can also site it for the deluding and misconceptions of the whole story. so inevitably, i would pose that the Chinese whisper affect is strongly in effect, and that there is no way to know the truth of the matter, cause you nor i, or any alive were present at the time of christ, nor were the writers who par took in the writing of the NT, and so it is all just a matter of speculation. I personally believe he existed in the Bc era. An was vary human. Being the son of man, whos mother and father were someone completely different then posed by scripture, as to marginalize his impact on Rome and the rulership.
tho many will disagree, i will indeed pose my full opinion theory on this in the ancient egypt post, tho i am indeed working from others opinions and works, i just think there is merit to them, and will explain why.

I believe human resurrection is possible, An interesting concept, i too have speculation of after death dealing. But i admit, it is just a theory and speculation. I have shared it on occasion here on dtv, would be more then happy to if you would care to hear / read it. and that if we live the best life we know how to live, our love, our memories, will have an impact here, and our souls will not be stuck on this world, but we will be allowed to pass through the heart of the sun, and project out into other planets (Heaven, dante's map of the universe = moon; 1st heaven, faith blemished by inconstancy, mercury 2nd heaven: hope married by ambition, 3rd heaven of venus: love spoiled by lust, 4th heaven of the sun WISDOM. 5th, mars: courage, 6th: jupiter, justice, Saturn Seventh heaven: moderation, eighth heaven of constellations, stars beyond our system, 9th heaven: primum mobile: prime mover; furthest heaven from matter: time, space, nature begin here, tenth heaven of essential paradise: beyond space time matter and all 'things'. and so on, Heaven = the sky and the planets beyond the earth, not some vague fantasy land where angels stand around all day playing harps. this is indeed vary close to the egyptian book of the dead, which i imagine, it has it's origins, most concepts of Christianity, are plagiarisms of older beliefs / religions. you can find temples to mithras under most early christian churchs/gathering points. Mainly due to much of Christianity being linked to astro theology. but indeed this does all sound familiar to the EBOD, which is also close in comparison to the Tibetan book of the dead. Angels are busy! Shooting arrows of holy fire at all the right angles). Medieval people were not just seeking simple statistics or knowledge in maths, they were seeking to reconcile and reunite and live in harmony with everything.

Don't you get it? There is no progress except for the individuals soul. The greeks lived well, The Romans lived well, they lived before us, but perhaps better... who knows? Archimedes invented napalm 2400 years ago... Technology is just a toy. you ever research Archimedes palimpsest ? the implications it had were astounding, to have all we have at our disposal in technology but in the 1600s to 1700s, where we would be now. But it was white washed by the church to record religious hymns, great stuff to look into tho, but to a degree i do agree, that tech is not something limited to our era, nor do i think we are on a linear path, which is what Christianity, Darwinism, and other main stream beliefs purpose. Think it is more cycle related. Use spiritual technologies, instead of just material ones, they do exist, believe it, find them, prove it, to yourself, by yourself, you don't need to tell everyone everything you think and do, you can keep some things which you are yet too timid (i was at one point also) to believe, secret to yourself i do admit i am more skeptical of subjective spiritual experiences, but i can not disprove or discount them, i just really have not seen or experienced it myself. Tho i do believe the human condition is one in the process of evolution, and that we hardly understand the power of our own minds, which i believe is to account for what many deem as spiritual, or paranormal

Who are we to judge christ, who are we to say what he said, or didn't say, or if he even existed, it is all speculation my friend, so indeed who are we. or any other human, other than ourselves? And even ourselves? Do we really know how to estimate ourselves? certainly believe that if people were more introspective, and not caught in the hub bub of modern society, then they may be more accommodating to their fellow human beings, but i also realize we have a strong animal instinct that causes alpha and beta ego positioning to occur, and thus many of these higher concepts and ideals are lost to positioning, and posturing. I think whenever I have said I can or I can't in the past, I've been pretending to know it all, instead of actually knowing it all, both of which I can do, which are entirely different things though: One is thinking about drinking from the fountain of life, and knowing i theoretically can do it, and getting that. The other is actually drinking. You have the choice at any moment in your life, to reinterpret your entire history, and start drinking. Instead of just thinking about it. again, i just see speculation, and a personal belief developed from sources you have taken in over the course of your life, you seem to be conforming to a solid state of knowing, where you need to be like water my friend as bruce used to say.

Drink up! I know you're thirsty, because I am and I was, and I can see from your words, I would be, if I were you, which in a small way, I am. again a matter of speculation

The Gnostic Gospels seem a more honest account of the essence of Christianity, than what catholicism/protestantism have done for control and power and to retain some sense of national integrity over the years (develope ("i don't give a damn for a man that can only spell things one way" mark twain) Churchianity).

Peace
best wishes to you too, i still have a couple things to handle today, so might get to your reply you made on what little bit i commented on before, also will finsih with contemporary Egyptian history by tonight maybe and start alternative.