Obama blocks delivery of bunker-busters to Israel

[Ridee Profile Website]

don't worry , just another forum going down the toilet , you did not loose a thing .

proto the house of christianity is in Rome ...

obviously you are just writing crap to make me waste my time , i will stop here , either you are a 12 year old and you don't know crap about nothing , either you are just working for them and you are part of the Zionist propaganda , either ways i don't care .

Have fun and good luck .

[Proto Profile]

yeah i'm making up the persecution of early Christians in the Roman Empire...

anyways back to topic :

Report: Netanyahu to ask US for bombs against Iran

Sunday Times reports Netanyahu will press Obama administration during upcoming Washington visit to release sophisticated bunker-busting bombs needed for possible strike on nuclear sites.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu will press the American administration during his upcoming visit to Washington to release sophisticated bunker-busting bombs needed for a possible strike on Iran’s nuclear sites, the Sunday Times reported in its website.

Netanyahu will leave for the United States on Sunday evening in order to attend a meeting of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC). He is also expected to meet with senior administration officials.

Before leaving, the prime minister is scheduled to meet with United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon for a discussion on the crisis over the construction in Jerusalem and the indirect talks with the Palestinians.

In Washington, Netanyahu is scheduled to meet with Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. A meeting with President Barack Obama is in the works.

The Scotland Herald reported last week that hundreds of powerful US “bunker-buster” bombs were shipped from California to the British island of Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean in preparation for a possible attack on Iran.

The newspaper quoted a manifest from the US navy as saying that the shipment included 387 “Blu” bombs used for blasting hardened or underground structures.

Experts told the paper that the ammunition was being put in place for an assault on Iran’s controversial nuclear facilities. Although Diego Garcia is part of the British Indian Ocean Territory, the Herald said, it is used by the US as a military base under an agreement made in 1971.

“They are gearing up totally for the destruction of Iran,” said Dan Plesch, director of the Centre for International Studies and Diplomacy at the University of London, co-author of a recent study on US preparations for an attack on Iran. “US bombers are ready today to destroy 10,000 targets in Iran in a few hours,” he added.

According to the newspaper, the preparations were being made by the US military, but it would be up to President Obama to make the final decision. Plesch argued that Obama may decide that it would be better for the US to act instead of Israel.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 37,00.html
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 069724.ece

Taliban fighters being taught at secret camps in Iran

THE Taliban fighters scurried up the craggy mountainside. As they neared the top, their 30-strong platoon split into three sections and they launched a ferocious assault on an enemy fort, opening fire from numerous positions.

The bullets they sprayed at the fort’s mud-coloured walls were blank, however. They merely pretended to fire their rocket-propelled grenades. When they reached the desert at the foot of the mountain, they did not race away on motorbikes, but filed into sand-coloured tents to refresh themselves with tea and naan.

The attack was a training exercise overseen by Iranian security officials in plain clothes. The Taliban do not know whether they were police officers, soldiers or secret service agents. What they can say is that in camps along the border between Afghanistan and Iran, Taliban recruits are being taught how to ambush British, American and other Nato troops using guns and improvised explosive devices (IEDs).

They are learning to attack checkpoints as well as mountain bases. Iranian instructors are also giving them target practice on desert ranges with Kalashnikov assault rifles.

In the past, Shi’ite Iran has opposed the Sunni Taliban. But western officials say Iran now wants to expand its influence within the Taliban movement.

A Taliban commander who has been trained in Iran said last week: “Our religions and our histories are different, but our target is the same — we both want to kill Americans.”

In recent months, senior American officials have accused Iran of playing “a double game” by training and arming the Taliban while supporting the Afghan government.

Taliban leaders interviewed by The Sunday Times last week provided the first direct evidence of how Iran is training insurgents on its own soil.

According to one Taliban source, emissaries travelled to Iran early last year to discuss a training programme with Iranian officials. The training began during the winter.

Working through local mediators, this newspaper persuaded two Taliban commanders who had attended the programme in Iran to travel to Kabul, the Afghan capital, to tell their stories. The men, interviewed separately in a partially constructed concrete building on the edge of the city, were both extremely nervous. “How do I know you are not spies and that you will not follow me when I leave?” said one before the interview began.

At times, their voices dropped to whispers as they spoke about their role in the insurgency and drank cups of tea on dirty cushions.

One of the commanders, from the central province of Wardak, described how he travelled to Iran with 20 of his men.

His journey took him south into Pakistan, then west to the border with Iran and on to Zahedan, a city of 600,000 people in southeast Iran.

The second Taliban commander, from Ghazni province in southern Afghanistan, took a group of his men on a five-day drive to Nimroz, in the southwest. From there, he crossed into Iran’s Sistan and Baluchestan province, a hotbed of drug smuggling and tribal rivalry.

The militants paid a $500 fee to Afghan people-smugglers using routes usually taken by refugees looking for work in Iran. They crossed the border at night in cars with the help of Baluch traffickers who guided the groups along dirt tracks to avoid checkpoints. After stopping to rest in the mountains, they headed out again at first light.

Finally, they were met by their Iranian instructors in white Toyota pick-up trucks and were taken to a village on the outskirts of Zahedan, an hour’s drive from the training camps.

There they were placed in basic compounds, each housing up to 30 Taliban fighters, mostly from the south and southeast of Afghanistan where the insurgency against British and American forces is fiercest.

Battered buses and pick-up trucks ferried the militants back and forth between the village and the camps every morning and night.

“Iran paid for the whole trip. We paid the travel fees to begin with and once we got to Iran they refunded us. They paid for our food, our mobile phone cards, any expenses,” said the Ghazni commander.

At one camp, a cluster of low tents erected in the shadow of a mountain, the Taliban fighters conducted live firing exercises, physical training and mountain assaults under the watchful eye of the plain-clothes Iranians, the commander said.

During a course lasting three months, the Iranian instructors worked in groups of two to five men. Their programme was split into three parts, each taking a month to complete.

For the first month, the recruits were taught how to launch complex ambushes on moving convoys. They learnt where to set up firing positions, when to trigger the ambush and how to escape before the enemy had time to respond.

“They were strong on the planning side. We would sit in the tents and they would take us through things like where the best escape routes were, making sure we had good cover and where to place our lookouts,” the commander said.

The second month was spent learning how to plant the roadside bombs that are responsible for most of the deaths of British soldiers in Helmand province. The insurgents were taught to use carefully positioned secondary and tertiary devices to kill or wound rescuers organising medical evacuations.

During the third month, the instructors taught the Taliban how to storm fixed enemy positions, climbing mountains in formation to launch attacks on checkpoints and bases.

“We were told ambushing was a very useful tool compared with a straightforward attack. They taught us how to select a good hiding position and how to limit the enemy’s response to our attacks by laying well- positioned mines,” said the commander. “We can kill a lot of our enemies this way.”

Both commanders said Iran also supplied them with weapons, often paying nomads to smuggle ammunition, mines and guns across the desert and mountain passes between Iran and Afghanistan’s western provinces. The nomads used donkeys, camels and horses to carry the military supplies into provinces such as Ghazni and Wardak, the commanders said.

Although the commanders believed that, after years on the battlefields of Afghanistan, they already possessed some of the skills that were taught in Iran’s camps, they agreed the training had improved their ability to launch more sophisticated attacks.

“I found some elements of the training in Iran very useful, especially the escape and evasion techniques I was taught,” said the commander from Wardak as he showed me video footage of his men patrolling on motorbikes with AK-47s and rocket-propelled grenade launchers slung over their shoulders.

The commanders gave no indication of precisely who was behind the training. Late last year General Stanley McChrystal, the US commander of foreign troops in Afghanistan, accused Iran’s al-Quds force — an elite wing of the Revolutionary Guard — of undermining the efforts of the Afghan government and Nato forces.

“The problem with dealing with the Iranian regime is knowing to what extent these initiatives are conducted by local commanders and to what extent they are backed by the government,” said a western defence source. He added that, although he had seen no direct evidence, the accounts of Taliban training camps in Iran were “credible”.

American officials believe Iran’s support for the Taliban has reached “troubling” proportions, although it is not on the same scale as its backing for Shi’ite insurgents in Iraq. The commanders’ accounts suggest the number of Taliban fighters trained in Iran may already have reached the hundreds.

Taliban militants still receive much of their training in neighbouring Pakistan. Elements of the ISI, Pakistan’s secret service, are known to train, equip and fund the Taliban. But a recent crackdown on Taliban safe havens in Pakistan has forced many insurgents to look to Iran for support.

“The military is pressuring the Taliban in Pakistan. It is certainly harder to reach places that were once easy to get into. I think more of my fighters will travel to Iran for training this year,” said the Ghazni commander.

Two weeks ago Robert Gates, the US defence secretary, said of the Iranians: “They want to maintain a good relationship with the Afghan government. They also want to do everything they possibly can to hurt us, or for us not to be successful.”

Days later, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran insisted he wanted to rebuild Afghanistan and criticised the presence of foreign troops.

The Taliban commander from Ghazni province said he had no doubt Iranian police and intelligence services knew about the training camps, however. “The government is not sleeping,” he said. “You just have to wiggle your ears in Iran and they will know about it.”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 069817.ece

[Lowsix Profile]

Jet, the only reason i mention this, is that YOU felt the need to crash the thread to write a thousand word slanderous, untrue, TIRADE about me and my identity, and Protos..

and then when an unbiased mod accepts mine and protos offer to SHOW our ips...
(an objective mod who i do not know from Adam by the way, and have perhaps had two interchanges in threads with him, so you cant say..hes on my side....)

So He offers, the proof, the proof that even YOU yourself asked for..

[quote="jetvii]And Mods yes please at the request of LOWSIX ( Which he knows you don't have power to do so but he still asks you everytime to do it. he is using it as a off-roading tactic) Reveal his information so we can take this silly little issue of him being a liar and put it to rest so I can move on with real issues.[/quote]

And now you dont have shit to say?
They DO have the power to view Ip addresses, for situations just like this,
and as you saw, bot proto and i offered permission to prove it.

And yes, it is odd that you are saying exactly, and specifically the same thing that Drex has been saying for months. Claiming out of the blue that Im both of these guys without a lick of proof, without being in the loop enough to even know in the first place (not to mention it not even being remotely true)..making a big deal out of a forum glitch that TONS of people have here..

Yep sounds like drex, must be drex.
Think for yourself jet, hes walked you out on a skinny branch here.
If either of you believe this shit youre saying..youre fucking retarded.
If you dont, and youre still saying it, you are emotionally stunted..

Your credibility is fucked here on out.

[Marduk2012 Profile]

Good god, and there is the "you must be Drextins companion thing" the same tactic you tried using on "Marduk" when he said you had multiple accounts as well..

Ure throwing my name into ze mix...good

be sure dat im totally convinced that Low is NOT Psi-Man..

yes I first thought dat too that he is...

I was something like disappointed that he would be a pussy like DREX who NEEDS multiple accounts to jackoff how great he is..eheh

But Jet, I was wrong calling out Low on sis shit ..

[jetxvii]

lowsix it looks like I "could" have been wrong. (about the multiple accounts)

Proto I apologize for thinking you could have been someone like lowsix.

Spock I have nothing to say to you still, I didn't do anything wrong with my statement (after the part of saying you covered for cryptillian / Salty Dawg because you thought it was funny), you still covered for someone who lied about their identity 2 days or not that is 48 hours of mod time to put an end to it and end the lie. then you tried to discredit me in the process with the "drextin" thing... I am not mad or feel sorry for telling the truth of something you did and you should at least be happy that I wouldn't lie about that when you were the one to get involved in this situation yourself. this is the second time you have said something to me without prior knowledge of where I was getting at the first time was when I was new here and you told me to "grow a pair" for wanting to clean up the videos section of the site. that is why it was a shame you got involved in the first place on your own consciousness.

Perhaps I should have taken your advice, I am still not 100% convinced about lowsix but I am convinced enough or either don't care enough to pursue it anymore; either way....

Marduk I didn't mean to drag your name into this I was only using you as a reference that lowsix thinks anyone who stands up against his silly attempts at being an asshole is "drex's Bitch". I apologize for using your name.


So sorry Low perhaps I was wrong on your accounts, but you are still a fucking asshole and I still disagree with the way you product yourself amongst other things but that isn't for now. and if you didn't see where I said multiple times I didn't want to side track the thread, so you should have written to me personally, which you didn't and you could have but you didn't. perhaps a "give me your email so we can discuss this." would have worked but you didn't do that either, and neither did I, but I told you I was done more than once and you kept making it a public spectacle even though I said I was done, instead of just seeing if we could have communicated privately which you probably wouldn't have done either.

I was wrong to say you were someone else and you were wrong to think I would have anything to do with the blue Smurf Wigger named Drextin that uses "real (or) fake" as his demon avenger on heading the council of the legion of doom.

I would apologize to psi-man but I don't think he interacts anymore.

Edit: My credibility is no more tarnished than he who hasn't sinned. maybe you can understand that in your terms. I am human I make mistakes; as do you.