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PostWed Jan 16, 2013 7:39 pm » by *WillEase*


The 19 actions recommended to Obama include controversial executive orders which do not require congressional approval, a possible safeguard against legislative opposition.
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PostWed Jan 16, 2013 7:41 pm » by domdabears


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domdabears wrote:No, it has to go through congress.

Nothing is banned.


Executive orders can be overturned by either of the other two branches: the Supreme Court can do so through a case that is brought in front of them and Congress can do so by passing legislation that would conflict with the order or by refusing to approve funding to enforce it. The president still has the right to veto a decision from Congress, which Congress can override as always with a two-thirds majority that would end the executive order. However, this is nearly impossible because of the supermajority vote that is required as well as the fact that individual lawmakers can be left very vulnerable to political criticism. To date, two executive orders have been overturned by other branches.

Put another way, even if congress passes legislation to stop the executive orders, the president can veto it (which he would) it then requires a supermajority vote from congress (which it doesn't have).
As of this moment, what he just signed is in fact, law.

He can't veto them NOT passing something.
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PostWed Jan 16, 2013 7:44 pm » by domdabears


I have no problem with the background checks.

Leave the guns, and and magazines alone though.

They didn't do anything to anyone.
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PostWed Jan 16, 2013 7:44 pm » by The57ironman


WillEase666 wrote:
executive orders which do not require congressional approval


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PostWed Jan 16, 2013 7:47 pm » by *WillEase*


domdabears wrote:
WillEase666 wrote:
domdabears wrote:No, it has to go through congress.

Nothing is banned.


Executive orders can be overturned by either of the other two branches: the Supreme Court can do so through a case that is brought in front of them and Congress can do so by passing legislation that would conflict with the order or by refusing to approve funding to enforce it. The president still has the right to veto a decision from Congress, which Congress can override as always with a two-thirds majority that would end the executive order. However, this is nearly impossible because of the supermajority vote that is required as well as the fact that individual lawmakers can be left very vulnerable to political criticism. To date, two executive orders have been overturned by other branches.

Put another way, even if congress passes legislation to stop the executive orders, the president can veto it (which he would) it then requires a supermajority vote from congress (which it doesn't have).
As of this moment, what he just signed is in fact, law.

He can't veto them NOT passing something.


Congress would have to introduce it's own legislation that would conflict with the executive orders, not approve what Obama has already signed into law....which they no doubt will. But Obama will most certainly veto congressional legislation.
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PostWed Jan 16, 2013 8:06 pm » by domdabears


None of the orders directly target gun, magazine, or ammo ownership, but some could lead to future restrictions.

So like I said before.

Nothing is banned.

Go buy an AR15 if you want. Let it have a 30 round magazine in it.
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PostWed Jan 16, 2013 8:08 pm » by domdabears


The president has asked Congress to:
- Institute another “assault weapons” ban
- Pass a law limiting magazine capacity
- Institute universal background checks, even on private transactions
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PostWed Jan 16, 2013 8:12 pm » by Poooooot


Here are the 23 "executive actions"
(that means they do not require congress's approval)

01) Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.

02) Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.

03) Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.

04) Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.

05) Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.

06) Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.

07) Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.

08) Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety
Commission).

09) Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns
recovered in criminal investigations.

10) Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it
widely available to law enforcement.

11) Nominate an ATF director.

12) Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper
training for active shooter situations.

13) Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.

14) Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to
research the causes and prevention of gun violence.

15) Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective
use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop
innovative technologies.

16) Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients
about guns in their homes.

17) Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits
them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.

18) Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.

19) Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.

20) Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.

21) Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.

22) Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.

23) Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental
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PostWed Jan 16, 2013 8:13 pm » by *WillEase*


WillEase666 wrote:The 19 actions recommended to Obama include controversial executive orders which do not require congressional approval, a possible safeguard against legislative opposition.


Jesus Christ Dom, are you being deliberate in your ignorance?

No Congressional Approval Needed
There are two ways that presidents can enact initiatives without congressional approval. Presidents may issue a proclamation, often ceremonial in nature, such as naming a day in honor of someone or something that has contributed to American society. A president may also issue an executive order, which has the full effect of law and is directed to federal agencies that are charged with carrying out the order. Examples include Franklin D. Roosevelt's executive order for the internment of Japanese-Americans after the attack on Pearl Harbor, Harry Truman's integration of the armed forces and Dwight Eisenhower's order to integrate the nation's schools.

Congress cannot directly vote to override an executive order in the way they can a veto. Instead, Congress must pass a bill canceling or changing the order in a manner they see fit. The president will typically veto that bill, and then Congress can try to override the veto of that second bill. The Supreme Court can also declare an executive order to be unconstitutional. Congressional cancellation of an order is extremely rare.


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PostWed Jan 16, 2013 8:15 pm » by domdabears


How am I being ignorant??

This is what I first put.

No, it has to go through congress.

Nothing is banned.

What he want's has to go through congress.

None of the orders directly target gun, magazine, or ammo ownership, but some could lead to future restrictions.

The president has asked Congress to:
- Institute another “assault weapons” ban
- Pass a law limiting magazine capacity
- Institute universal background checks, even on private transactions

So Like I said!!!!

NOTHING IS BANNED!!!!!
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