Officials see rise in militia groups across U.S.

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PostWed Aug 12, 2009 3:43 pm » by Wrathofkahn


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WASHINGTON – Militia groups with gripes against the government are regrouping across the country and could grow rapidly, according to an organization that tracks such trends.

The stress of a poor economy and a liberal administration led by a black president are among the causes for the recent rise, the report from the Southern Poverty Law Center says. Conspiracy theories about a secret Mexican plan to reclaim the Southwest are also growing amid the public debate about illegal immigration.

Bart McEntire, a special agent with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, told SPLC researchers that this is the most growth he's seen in more than a decade.

"All it's lacking is a spark," McEntire said in the report.

It's reminiscent of what was seen in the 1990s — right-wing militias, people ideologically against paying taxes and so-called "sovereign citizens" are popping up in large numbers, according to the report to be released Wednesday. The SPLC is a nonprofit civil rights group that, among other activities, investigates hate groups.

Last October, someone from the Ohio Militia posted a recruiting video on YouTube, billed as a "wake-up call" for America. It's been viewed more than 60,000 times.

"Things are bad, things are real bad, and it's going to be a lot worse," said the man on the video, who did not give his name. "Our country is in peril."

The man is holding an AR-15 semiautomatic rifle, and he encourages viewers to buy one.

While anti-government sentiment has been on the rise over the last two years, there aren't as many threats and violent acts at this point as there were in the 1990s, according to the report. That movement bore the likes of Timothy McVeigh, who in 1995 blew up a federal building in Oklahoma City and killed 168 people.

But McEntire fears it's only a matter of time.

These militias are concentrated in the Midwest, Pacific Northwest and the Deep South, according to Mark Potok, an SPLC staff director who co-wrote the report. Recruiting videos and other outreach on the Internet are on the rise, he said, and researchers from his center found at least 50 new groups in the last few months.

The militia movement of the 1990s gained traction with growing concerns about gun control, environmental laws and anything perceived as liberal government meddling.

The spark for that movement came in 1992 with an FBI standoff with white separatist Randall Weaver at Ruby Ridge, Idaho. Weaver's wife and son were killed by an FBI sniper. And in 1993, a 52-day standoff between federal agents and the Branch Davidian cult in Waco, Texas, resulted in nearly 80 deaths. These events rallied more people who became convinced that the government would murder its own citizens to promote its liberal agenda.

Now officials are seeing a new generation of activists, according to the report. The law center spotlights Edward Koernke, a Michigan man who hosts an Internet radio show about militias. His father, Mark, was a major figure in the 1990s militia movement and served six years in prison for charges including assaulting police.

Last year, officials warned about an increase in activity from militias in a five-year threat projection by the Homeland Security Department.

"White supremacists and militias are more violent and thus more likely to conduct mass-casualty attacks on the scale of the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing," the threat projection said.

A series of domestic terrorism incidents over the past year have not been directly tied to organized militias, but the rhetoric behind some of the crimes are similar with that of the militia movement. For instance, the man charged with the April killings of three Pittsburgh police officers posted some of his views online. Richard Andrew Poplawski wrote that U.S. troops could be used against American citizens, and he thinks a gun ban could be coming.

The FBI's assistant director for counterterrorism, Michael Heimbach, said that law enforcement officials need to identify people who go beyond hateful rhetoric and decide to commit violent acts and crimes. Heimbach said one of the bigger challenges is identifying the lone-wolf offenders.

One alleged example of a lone-wolf offender is the 88-year-old man charged in the June shooting death of a guard at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington.


People are getting fed up it seems...
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PostWed Aug 12, 2009 3:53 pm » by Drextin


Nah not fed up...............same thing happened to clinton. Resulted in Waco, Ruby ridge and the Oklahoma bombing. Not to mention Alex Jones got his start by being the mouthpiece for the militia movement of the 90s then quietly slipped away when the government cracked down on them. His excuse today...........the government made up all the militia groups. They were not real.
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PostWed Aug 12, 2009 4:01 pm » by TheDuck


A nation of activists indeed, I wonder why :yell:
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PostWed Aug 12, 2009 4:01 pm » by Wrathofkahn


drextin wrote:Nah not fed up...............same thing happened to clinton. Resulted in Waco, Ruby ridge and the Oklahoma bombing. Not to mention Alex Jones got his start by being the mouthpiece for the militia movement of the 90s then quietly slipped away when the government cracked down on them. His excuse today...........the government made up all the militia groups. They were not real.


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PostWed Aug 12, 2009 4:22 pm » by Hesop


Seems that they were intent on putting a spin on it. Demonizing the idea.
A black president has nothing to do with it,
Very few are actually against taxes
Sure, compare all to McVeigh
A crock.

I personally know many militia members. They are police officers, ex-servicemen and women, dentists, and accountants.
They are good people that simply will not be loaded into the back of a truck. They are not activist or extremists.
They may be our only hope in the future. They are just like anyone else here, with a few exceptions of course.

Who gains by painting them all as insurgents? Skin heads and terrorists?
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PostWed Aug 12, 2009 4:31 pm » by Samkenman


The U.S. is becoming more unstable by the day. Tensions are mounting in every neighborhood. Health care reform, government take over of corporations, swine flu, proposed gun/ammo bans.....it is all going to come to a head sooner or later. I think we are already beyond the "point of no return", there are just too many angry people out there for it to all blow over. It will get worse before it gets better. When and IF (and i say "if" lightly) a revolution begins, we will all be caught in the cross fire. We all have a "plan A"...I think its time we all come up with plans B & C. When the shit hits the fan, if you don't have a stash of food/water/meds, a safe place to go and a way to defend yourself and family, then GOD help you, cause nobody else will. Its better to be safe than sorry.

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Good luck to us all...and lets us hope & pray that it will not be as bad as some people predict.
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PostWed Aug 12, 2009 4:43 pm » by Soldierboy


theduck wrote:A nation of activists indeed, I wonder why :yell:


because we are Americans my man. remember the movie "RED DAWN"
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PostWed Aug 12, 2009 4:44 pm » by Drextin


hesop wrote:Seems that they were intent on putting a spin on it. Demonizing the idea.
A black president has nothing to do with it,
Very few are actually against taxes
Sure, compare all to McVeigh
A crock.

I personally know many militia members. They are police officers, ex-servicemen and women, dentists, and accountants.
They are good people that simply will not be loaded into the back of a truck. They are not activist or extremists.
They may be our only hope in the future. They are just like anyone else here, with a few exceptions of course.

Who gains by painting them all as insurgents? Skin heads and terrorists?

Those you speak of hesop I would not label militia myself. More like guardians....watchers. The word militia has been taken over by the skinheads and domestic terrorist. Many abortion doctor killers consider themselves militia. I wouldn't blame the government for this blame those who cause the most trouble for demeaning the word and what it used to stand for.

We need people like those you mention.......as you said they may be our only hope at some point.

Wasn't the world trade center bombed by A.Q. on Bills watch as well?

Yep and when given the chance to take out Osama with a missile he wussed out. Instead he sent a few crashing into some abandoned terrorist camps where he knew no one not even the bad guys would get hurt.

I wasn't taken up for clinton. I personally dislike the guy for being the wimp he is.
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PostWed Aug 12, 2009 4:48 pm » by Soldierboy


concrete wrote:
soldierboy wrote:
theduck wrote:A nation of activists indeed, I wonder why :yell:


because we are Americans my man. remember the movie "RED DAWN"


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PostWed Aug 12, 2009 4:55 pm » by domdabears


GOOD!! Long live the militia! Helped us win the first revolution. :shooting:
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