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PostFri Sep 24, 2010 9:52 pm » by Hackjames


thebluecanary wrote:Are you talking about the great mythical utopian vision of one world government where we all have enough and live in peace and contentment because Big Daddy has saved us from the evils of pollution, sickness, death and hard work? Like a sugar coated Orwellian happy land where nobody fights over borders because there are none? I think some people get misty eyed over this idea the way some people got misty eyed about the idea of communism. As a fairy tale, it's compelling.

However, I fear that the reality of One World Government would be more similar to what I think whenever I hear that term: global fascism. Misery for all of us. Whether the extremist view of terrifying new world order with microchips and camps and all that scary stuff, or some kind of technological utopia where some higher authority nannies us and protects us from every little ill and vice, or somewhere in between, it scares me. I don't want it. Ever, for any reason. And I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who would fight like hell to see it not happen.


I'm talking about a rational world, not a government. You may say that I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one. Sorry.

There is the potential for any number of unfortunate futures to come about, that doesn't mean any are inevitable or even more likely than any other possibility. If people learn to respect each other (not something I'd argue will happen quickly or completely), we would not need the power structures that government provides. Things could go badly as you describe, but that's not what I am talking about.
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PostFri Sep 24, 2010 9:54 pm » by Hackjames


boondox681 wrote:yes.you just aren't seeing it.that's the greatest weapon of communism
there is no gray area when it comes to progressive/socialist communist.


in the 50's it was called communism.in the 80's,when they couldn't use that term any more,they became socialists.and now in 2010,when they can't use that term any more(it slips out,though)they have become progressives.
it's all the same


There is nothing but a gray area, ever, with anything. That's the point. You're talking about an idealized concept.

Your view on the history of those words leaves a bit out, to put it mildly. I get your position I think, but you're limiting your own viewpoint and I don't see that as being helpful.
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PostFri Sep 24, 2010 10:02 pm » by Thebluecanary


hackjames wrote:I'm talking about a rational world, not a government. You may say that I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one. Sorry.

There is the potential for any number of unfortunate futures to come about, that doesn't mean any are inevitable or even more likely than any other possibility. If people learn to respect each other (not something I'd argue will happen quickly or completely), we would not need the power structures that government provides. Things could go badly as you describe, but that's not what I am talking about.


LOL with you puttin the Lennon back on me. :flop:

I understand what you are saying now. And deep down inside I think that we all would like for that to happen...that being REAL utopia where everyone works together and looks out for one another and things follow the natural order. Damn, that would be swell, for real. And maybe I'm a miserable cynic for seeing things so far off from what you were talking about.

When you talk about one world government, it provokes a whole complete other emotional reaction I think. I look at how corrupt the people in charge of my country are...country hell, even how corrupt the people in charge of my CITY are, and it makes me terrified to think about someone like that with power over the whole world. Even if they start out with the best intentions possible.

What you are talking about, IMHO, would be the after-effect of some kind of catastrophe that just wipes the slate almost clean to start all over again from the top.
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PostFri Sep 24, 2010 10:05 pm » by Boondox681


You're talking about an idealized concept.

wrong.
THEY'RE talking about IMPLIMENTING an idealized concept

Your view on the history of those words leaves a bit out, to put it mildly. I get your position I think, but you're limiting your own viewpoint and I don't see that as being helpful.

words are exactly what they are...words.
when you see those three words you know exactly what they are/ mean IF YOU KNOW YOUR ENEMY.do you?
i do because i limit my self to nothing.
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PostFri Sep 24, 2010 10:06 pm » by Hackjames


thebluecanary wrote:
LOL with you puttin the Lennon back on me. :flop:

I understand what you are saying now. And deep down inside I think that we all would like for that to happen...that being REAL utopia where everyone works together and looks out for one another and things follow the natural order. Damn, that would be swell, for real. And maybe I'm a miserable cynic for seeing things so far off from what you were talking about.

When you talk about one world government, it provokes a whole complete other emotional reaction I think. I look at how corrupt the people in charge of my country are...country hell, even how corrupt the people in charge of my CITY are, and it makes me terrified to think about someone like that with power over the whole world. Even if they start out with the best intentions possible.

What you are talking about, IMHO, would be the after-effect of some kind of catastrophe that just wipes the slate almost clean to start all over again from the top.


It could be the case that we need to be brought low as a species in order to redefine ourselves, but I don't see that as the only option. I'll just say that we need to allow for the possibility of something before we can make a real effort to move towards it becoming a reality. :]
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PostFri Sep 24, 2010 10:09 pm » by Hackjames


boondox681 wrote:
You're talking about an idealized concept.

wrong.
THEY'RE talking about IMPLIMENTING an idealized concept

Your view on the history of those words leaves a bit out, to put it mildly. I get your position I think, but you're limiting your own viewpoint and I don't see that as being helpful.

words are exactly what they are...words.
when you see those three words you know exactly what they are/ mean IF YOU KNOW YOU ENEMY.do you?
i do because i limit my self to nothing.


Don't really know how to respond unless I was to repeat myself. If you want to keep your view that's obviously your right, but I see it as limited and I've explained why already. Us vs. Them is not going to help us get past all our problems, it reinforces them. Work towards something positive, don't try to avoid negatives.
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PostFri Sep 24, 2010 10:13 pm » by Boondox681


I'll just say that we need to allow for the possibility of something before we can make a real effort to move towards it becoming a reality

your an idealist.nothing wrong with that.
it 's just that that doesn't work.history proves that.
who said we need to 'redefine' ourselves.
i like me,just how i am.
who/what said we need to move forward?
technology dictates that?
wrong.
technology has brought nothing good to modern man.
just convenience.
and you know what?you don't pay for convenience with money...
you pay for it with your freedoms.
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PostFri Sep 24, 2010 10:23 pm » by Hackjames


boondox681 wrote:
I'll just say that we need to allow for the possibility of something before we can make a real effort to move towards it becoming a reality

your an idealist.nothing wrong with that.
it 's just that that doesn't work.history proves that.
who said we need to 'redefine' ourselves.
i like me,just how i am.
who/what said we need to move forward?
technology dictates that?
wrong.
technology has brought nothing good to modern man.
just convenience.
and you know what?you don't pay for convenience with money...
you pay for it with your freedoms.


I am in some ways an idealist, same as you apparently. History has been unfortunate in many, many ways but to say it proves your point dismisses a lot of history as well.

Redefine ourselves as a social species is what I meant, not so much as individuals (though the case can certainly be made that one follows the other).

We need to move forward because we can imagine a better world than the one we live in. Do you advocate we leave everything the way it is now?

Your view on technology is one that I honestly find ridiculous. Think about it for a moment, there are many areas outside of convenience that technology impacts. I'm trying to have a conversation here, but statements like that make it hard to take you seriously. No disrespect because I disagree, I just don't think you're making your case very well.
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PostFri Sep 24, 2010 10:39 pm » by Slowlyawakening


None of you seem to be addressing the real issue here, which is that the U.S. and many other nations are already in a softcore communism under maritime admiralty law. Just look at all of the licenses, permits, taxes, and bs you have to go through. You all talk about "money" but don't even realize that "money" in and of itself is a belief system. Where does the value of "money" or should I say "tokens of credit" come from? It comes from people. Just like governments, corporations, etc. These things have no tangible substance, and only manifest themselves by the power of living breathing humans. They only exist in the minds of the people that BELIEVE in them. Would government property still remain as such if the people followed a completely different government, a different idea? If you don't believe in Christianity (one of many examples), does that mean it goes away? No, but if enough people stopped believing, it would. I think you all have the idea of society and governments all wrong. The only real "law" in this world is the common law, or law of the land (go to fmotl.com for more). There are only 3 laws that really sum up thousands of years of human tradition and ways to live in a peaceful manner. They are:

1. Do not cause harm another person.
2. Do not damage another's property.
3. Do not be mischievous in your contracts.

In other words, be responsible for your actions and if you make a mistake, make reparations.

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PostFri Sep 24, 2010 10:44 pm » by Boondox681


social

as in social security?
as in social justice.
your a communist.

but statements like that make it hard to take you seriously. No disrespect because I disagree, I just don't think you're making your case very well.

i have no case to make and i'm not asking you to take me serious.
INFORM YOURSELF

all the great aspects of technology are what people like you mindlessly suck up everyday.
i live in reality.

TOM/TOM-GPS
it's so convenient to have your little map,isn't it?

CELL PHONES
it's so convenient in case of an emergency,isn't it?

yet they can and do track you with both.
that's the reality of technology.
not the IDEA of how technology should be.
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