One world government has to be!

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PostTue Aug 31, 2010 5:55 pm » by Viewer


Just think about it for a moment :think: .......The fact is it will be! nothing can stop that now, the problem is there are 2 view points on this, on one hand we have a one government all wealth evenly distributed or without the money thing all together, wich we have friends in very high places so to speak that wish this for the human race,< believe it or not it is, and we have a small group of ridiculously well off power hungry people that want the same one world government but want to keep hold of there wealth and power! < sorry guys your days are up.I think they are so so so pissed off at the moment," power to the people"! we out number them hundreds and thousands to one, and have some friends in very high places .


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PostFri Sep 24, 2010 9:35 am » by Illuminated


viewer wrote:Just think about it for a moment :think: .......The fact is it will be! nothing can stop that now, the problem is there are 2 view points on this, on one hand we have a one government all wealth evenly distributed or without the money thing all together, wich we have friends in very high places so to speak that wish this for the human race,< believe it or not it is, and we have a small group of ridiculously well off power hungry people that want the same one world government but want to keep hold of there wealth and power! < sorry guys your days are up.I think they are so so so pissed off at the moment," power to the people"! we out number them hundreds and thousands to one, and have some friends in very high places .


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yes the 'utopian 1 world peace vision' or whatever its been packaged as, is truely named communism.. its the religion they (elites) sell to the masses.

“Once you admit that the individual is merely a means to serve the ends of a higher entity called society or the nation, most of those features of totalitarian regimes which horrify us follow of necessity. From the collectivist standpoint, intolerance and brutal suppression of dissent, the complete disregard of the life and happiness of the individual, are essential and unavoidable consequences of this basic premise; and the collectivist can admit this and at the same time claim that his system is superior to one in which the ‘selfish’ interests of the individual are allowed to obstruct the full realization of the ends the community pursues.”

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as for 'nothing can stop it now' :alien51: massive civil uprisings & blood shed - seemed to work ok for history thus far..


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but really the 1world governance scheme would Fail just like communism has failed time & time again always causing massive deaths of its citizens!
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PostFri Sep 24, 2010 10:21 am » by Wackyal123


The reality is that a one world government not only "has to be" but is actually a very good idea (in theory). The problem that we have at the moment is that every single person in the world classes their own country as sovereign and in effect, more important than any others. (This especially applies to larger more globally influential countries such as USA, China, Russia). The reality is however, none are sovereign. None of them are more important than the others and none of the inhabitants are more important than one another.
The result of this is that no one is willing to accept a single governing body as it would be seen as effectively "opening the borders" to allow immigrants in.
Now, in my country (the UK), this has never been seen as an issue as we have (to some extent) always had a very relaxed immigration policy, but other countries are more stringent with this kind of thing.
Not only this, but there are obviously the issues of who is at the top. Would it be a single global individual, or perhaps a governing body made up of one representative from each country (like the UN) or maybe we should adopt a "Fresco" idea of no human government but rather a logical decision making computer.

At the end of the day, this is an issue that won't go away because we NEED to see ourselves as one species rather than individual countries of different people. Eventually, whatever way we decide to go, a one world govt will happen and will either be our salvation or our destruction.

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PostFri Sep 24, 2010 10:30 am » by Hackjames


I think the idea that the world needs (or will eventually have, for that matter) a "classical" government is misguided. We're at the beginning of a process, but it's fairly clear at this point that traditional power structures are at odds with almost everything else.

Communism is a word used to describe a type of government, but that's not the only route to material equality. It's beyond complicated, boiling the issue down into a yes or no on communism won't help matters at all. The fact is that there is a massive disparity in terms of relative wealth and even personal security, and people are realizing it and the implications that follow.

Humans are slowly learning how to respect each other, despite our many differences and some horrible exceptions. Mutual respect will (and should be) the basis for any kind of world-unity, not any kind of top-down, authoritative structure. Give humanity (and the internet) time and there will be a sensible solution, likely one we don't even recognize until it has in effect already happened.
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PostFri Sep 24, 2010 9:07 pm » by Illuminated


"The reality is however, none are sovereign. None of them are more important than the others and none of the inhabitants are more important than one another.
The result of this is that no one is willing to accept a single governing body as it would be seen as effectively "opening the borders" to allow immigrants in.
Now, in my country (the UK), this has never been seen as an issue as we have (to some extent) always had a very relaxed immigration policy, but other countries are more stringent with this kind of thing. "


:alien51: :roll: such Lies. look at the end of the day yes we are all human, but borders do matter, as do nations - and who you let into them.

if you're all on the zeitgeist trip of robots eventually doing everything for us & money not mattering - cool, but why does this require the eradication of nations? technology doesn't have political aspirations?

I emplore you guys beholden to this '1 world gov' view to go publically spread it - at rallies, etc, see how its recieved! start with the Muslims :alien51: :roll:

I myself daily am very outspoken, to people i meet daily, againt all measures of insidious control, usually it sounds like 'so have you heard the latest on ____(insert crazy news story)?'

another premise is that all nations at peace, respecting te rights of the others to exist, are in a polite competition to out do each other! this can accelerate humanity towards colonization of space! anyways if you really really buy the 1word gov bs -send Me all your money - i'll manage your life and everything you own - for ya. don't worry im really trustworthy :dunno:
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PostFri Sep 24, 2010 9:23 pm » by Hackjames


illuminated wrote:"The reality is however, none are sovereign. None of them are more important than the others and none of the inhabitants are more important than one another.
The result of this is that no one is willing to accept a single governing body as it would be seen as effectively "opening the borders" to allow immigrants in.
Now, in my country (the UK), this has never been seen as an issue as we have (to some extent) always had a very relaxed immigration policy, but other countries are more stringent with this kind of thing. "


:alien51: :roll: such Lies. look at the end of the day yes we are all human, but borders do matter, as do nations - and who you let into them.

if you're all on the zeitgeist trip of robots eventually doing everything for us & money not mattering - cool, but why does this require the eradication of nations? technology doesn't have political aspirations?

I emplore you guys beholden to this '1 world gov' view to go publically spread it - at rallies, etc, see how its recieved! start with the Muslims :alien51: :roll:

I myself daily am very outspoken, to people i meet daily, againt all measures of insidious control, usually it sounds like 'so have you heard the latest on ____(insert crazy news story)?'

another premise is that all nations at peace, respecting te rights of the others to exist, are in a polite competition to out do each other! this can accelerate humanity towards colonization of space! anyways if you really really buy the 1word gov bs -send Me all your money - i'll manage your life and everything you own - for ya. don't worry im really trustworthy :dunno:


Nations are a make-believe division of people. I don't think you've made a good case for why they're important, same with borders. And, no, technology doesn't have any aspirations, as it can't have any.

Your view seems overly simple at best, and doesn't strike me as very illuminated.
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PostFri Sep 24, 2010 9:36 pm » by Boondox681


redistribution of wealth.
it's called communism.
i'll pass.

i posted this a while back.fits right in with what you talking about.
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PostFri Sep 24, 2010 9:39 pm » by Hackjames


boondox681 wrote:redistribution of wealth.
it's called communism.
i'll pass.


Could you simplify things more? Maybe that would help everyone jump to a conclusion without thought. Life is more complicated than you make it out to be.

For example, we already redistribute wealth in most "western" countries, to various degrees. I suppose you'd call all these nations communist?
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PostFri Sep 24, 2010 9:45 pm » by Thebluecanary


Are you talking about the great mythical utopian vision of one world government where we all have enough and live in peace and contentment because Big Daddy has saved us from the evils of pollution, sickness, death and hard work? Like a sugar coated Orwellian happy land where nobody fights over borders because there are none? I think some people get misty eyed over this idea the way some people got misty eyed about the idea of communism. As a fairy tale, it's compelling.

However, I fear that the reality of One World Government would be more similar to what I think whenever I hear that term: global fascism. Misery for all of us. Whether the extremist view of terrifying new world order with microchips and camps and all that scary stuff, or some kind of technological utopia where some higher authority nannies us and protects us from every little ill and vice, or somewhere in between, it scares me. I don't want it. Ever, for any reason. And I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who would fight like hell to see it not happen.
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PostFri Sep 24, 2010 9:51 pm » by Boondox681


For example, we already redistribute wealth in most "western" countries, to various degrees. I suppose you'd call all these nations communist?

yes.you just aren't seeing it.that's the greatest weapon of communism
there is no gray area when it comes to progressive/socialist/communist.


in the 50's it was called communism.in the 80's,when they couldn't use that term any more,they became socialists.and now in 2010,when they can't use that term any more(it slips out,though)they have become progressives.
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