OUR MYSTERIOUS SPACESHIP MOON..

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cool stuff

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I guarantee the same people that say we never went to the moon, will embrace this thesis and use the Apollo information as proof, even though they reject every other aspect of it. Kind of like the people that say the Bible is a bunch of shit but will point to scripture as proof of aliens.

Should be fun - guess I'll read the whole post now. Back in 3 hours.

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@ telec

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Just read it - freaking fascinating!!!! I had heard of this before and posted something about it. Thanks Teloc for bringing it back to mind.

It's as if there are massive layers for protection, then what I am seeing on the inside is...

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Coast to Coast AM - 04 Nov 2009 - Early Earth, The
moon, he noted, has only been in Earth's orbit for around 11,500 years, and was artificially brought here.
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@ Teloc...

Yea - I had a run in with them as well about a month ago. I had been moving stuff out the front door of my father's house (it's never used) and once I had finished I was closing the door, and they swarmed me. I couldn't believe not one of them stung me, I was in awe. There were big wasps and small wasps. The nest was the size of a softball.

I was thinking about killing them, but since the only people that come to the front door are salesmen and Jehovah's Witnesses (and the wasps were kind to me), they are still there. Enjoying the cycle of life.

But back to the moon theory.

I enjoy the idea of massive outer layers that catch the punches of the universe, protecting the hive inside. Real? Just as real as the idea that we never got to the moon in the first place.

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@ Ghost

Nice man. Thanks for posting that!

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man just wondering why the book cost so much,but good stuff.

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The moon, has only been in Earth's orbit for around 11,500 years, and was artificially brought here.

Great post, Ghost.

@ Teloc ...killer thread, bro

Dr. Norman Bergrun, explains at the end of his book "The Ringmakers of Saturn" exactly why he believes the moon WAS towed into orbit, and how it was and how they grabbed on to the Mare Orientale.


From 0:33:50 till 0:42:13 John Lear talks about "The Ringmakers of Saturn" who grabbed the Moon (see Mare Orientale) into Earths orbit. Interesting!






Mare Orientale


Transcript of Kerry of PC interviews John Lear about Gigantic Motherships in Saturns Rings

[Immanuel] Velikovsky talks about the different proselynes and the different civilizations, that talked about the time when there was NO moon and then, when there were two moons and now we have one moon. This guy here, Norm Bergrun wrote the The Ringmakers of Saturn. It’s an EXCELLENT book. Norm Bergrun is VERY qualified; was for forty years a scientific part of both NACA and also Lockheed; retired from Lockheed, I think, about fifteen years ago. No more than that...

K: What’s NACA?

J: Ah, National Aeronautics, the predecessor to NASA.

K: Oh, really.

J: National Advisory Commission for Aeronautics.

K: I see, okay.

J: They were the predecessor to NASA.

K: Okay.



J: But when he retired, he somehow got some photos, some really good negatives of Voyager, which went by Saturn. And he set up a little lab in his house, and he started looking these and he ended up writing Ringmakers of Saturn. And what he shows you here is what he found in the rings of Saturn: three vehicles - space ships - the biggest of which is 31,196 miles long and 2,422 miles in diameter.

We’re talking about a fairly large spaceship there. Now Norm Bergrun, when he wrote this book at the beginning - it’s very good - he says “Now look, I’m going to be talking about some stuff that is very interesting, but you can’t skip a page, you can’t skip a word that you don’t know; you have to go from the beginning to end or you won’t understand what I’m saying.” And I did go from beginning to end. Now since...

K: Okay, but when was this written?

J: Ah, this would be 1986.


K: Ok, so it’s not that old.

J: No and I go see Norm...

K: And it’s talking about a huge spaceship. Who built the spaceship?

J: Who builds them?

K: Yeah.

J: We don’t know who builds them. But anyway...

K: Us?

J: No, no. We couldn’t build anything like that. We have some amazing stuff, but, we couldn’t do that.

K: Okay.

J: No, this is somebody else. But what the interesting part in the book and the reason why we’re getting here is because, at the end of this book, he starts talking about the moon and how the moon was towed into orbit. Because the people that towed, that, that operate that stuff and Saturn and also Iapetus, towed the moon into orbit - and he goes into here, explains exactly why he believes the moon WAS towed into orbit, and how it was and how they grabbed on to the Mare Orienel.

K: Who are you saying towed the moon into...

J: We don’t know. Whoever.

K: ...into place. So he doesn’t conjecture on who...

J: No.

K: ...you know, on what alien race, for example.

J: No.

K: I mean obviously, it’s an alien race. Henry Deacon, our secret source, has also substantiated that. The moon was towed into orbit... but have you got an idea what alien race was responsible for that?

J: No, absolutely not.

K: None?

J: What’s interesting here, another interesting thing, I see Norm every year because when I go do the UFO Expo West, which is the only one I do. He lives in Los Altos Hills. And he’s writing about Iapetus, and Iapetus is probably a spaceship too.

K: Okay.

K: So we’ve got to get in touch with this guy.

J: You better, because he’s on his way out. I saw him last September, he was not well, he was finishing up the book on Iapetus. But he wasn’t working on it every day...

K: Okay, was he a scientist?

J: Yes.

K: Okay, but did he, who did he work for? I mean, in other words, he’s government...

J: Give me a second here.

K: He’s in NACA, I understand that, but in a certain level, he’s revealing secret information.

J: No. As what?

K: Well, I’m just asking you. Isn’t this, wouldn’t this be secret?

J: No. No.
Thermodynamicist, Douglas Aircraft 1934-44
Aero Research Scientist, NACA/Ames Laboratory 1944-1956
Lockheed Missile and Space Company, Van Uys, Supervisor Flight Test 1956-68
Manager, Flight Test Analysis, 1958-1962
Manager Test Plans and Direction 1962-63
Manager Re-entry Test Operations, 1966...

K: Okay, but...

J: There’s all this stuff, how qualified this guy is...

K: Right.

J: This is...

K: Why are they letting him talk?

J: Why?

K: Why are they letting him do this? I mean, in other words.

J: What’s he saying? There’s a space ship that’s, that’s 31 miles long in the rings of Saturn?

K: So plausible deniability is....

J: Sure, who’s going to believe that?

K: Okay, okay, alright. So that’s...

J: So anyway, two years ago, at the UFO Expo West, I mean, that was SO interesting because number one, one of my lectures of Apollo 1, and the four people that were in it and there was Grissom, White and Chaffey and then there was a fourth guy - and he was part of the secret astronaut corps.

And the REASON that had to keep it secret is because if they, if the public were allowed to know there was a fourth guy in there, then they would not, want to know who he was. And there was no possible way that NASA could ever reveal that there was another guy in there, ‘cause they would have to reveal the secret space program. And the secret space program started in 1959 and they’re the ones who went to the moon in 1962. They went to Mars in 1966. All, everything we know is a cover for the secret space program.

K: Oh, yeah.

J: Anyway, when, when I give a lecture, if I have two hours, I always give an hour, and then let the public talk to me for an hour, because I’m going to learn more from then than they are going to from me. And one of Chaffey’s relatives got up and said, “John, you’re right, we’ve always known this, there was a fourth man, but we didn’t know who it was.” Now, I know who the name is, but I keep it to myself because...

J: Oh, right.

J: ...if somebody comes to me, you know and says, “I know who it is”. I know who it is. And it’s really interesting because his son is a current shuttle astronaut.

K: Oh, really.

J: Yeah. So anyway, I go to see Norm two years ago, and in talking with him I said: “By the way, the electromagnetic vehicle that towed the moon into orbit, where is it now”? And he said, “I think it’s on the back side of the moon”.

So when I got hooked up with Ron Schmidt, we started collecting photos on the back side of the moon and we found it. It’s in the crater Tsiolkovsky. And the story of how we did it was so interesting and how NASA covered it up. There’s like six different photos of Tsiolkovsky, as they tried to airbrush this electromagnetic vehicle out if the picture by making it an island.

And ah, but we got them. And we got two really good photos. One was discovered by a lady who works for us in Florida, and she discovered it on a thumbnail of Tsiolkovsky. And what happened, was when NASA was advertising this particular photo, you know, they airbrushed the big one, but, when they had the thumbnail, somebody looked at that and said, “Hey, I’m not going to take the time to enlarge that, take the vehicle out and put it down - nobody’ll notice it anyway.”

But we noticed it, and it’s great, and that’s where we got the photo of the EMV on the far side. And then, Apollo 15 flew over it, and they got some movies of it, and it’s just a quick shot but it’s really interesting.

Tsiolkovsky Crater

This is the crater Tsiolkovsky located on the far side. What looks to be an island floating on a black sea is really something quite different. Through a technique of 'unmasking' or removing layers of 'cover up' images we found what appears to be a huge spaceship looking object. I believe that this spaceship is an electromagnetic vehicle, the type discussed by Norman Bergrun in his book "Ringmakers of Saturn". Bergrun proposes that our moon was towed to and placed into a rotationally locked orbit around earth so that one side faces earth at all times. Last summer I visited Norman in San Francisco and in our discussion I asked him where the EMV was located at this time. He told me he thought it was somewhere on the far side of the moon.

When we came across this image in the crater Tsiolkovsky I thought that it resembled the gigantic EMV that placed the moon in orbit around the earth. I emailed Norman the images and after careful inspection he emailed back that he agrees.

source:
John Lear Moon Photos-- Page 3
http://archive.coasttocoastam.com/gen/p ... heme=light

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I would like to break in here to contribute three points to ponder. I have been wrapping my head around this concept for quite some time and if it is true it is kind of like when your dad said their are a spare set of keys to the moon under the floor mat but watch that second gear and be sure to top off the gas tank before your mother knows you were out all night. First and foremost I must give props to the ultimate band in the universe Pink Floyd, there is a song that contains recordings from moon landings that will make the hair on your neck raise if your not to stoned to understand. Second would have to be the Truman Show where the director's studio is portrayed as the moon at night and the sun during the day. Why would you not hallow out your moon for numerous purposes, as long as the tide still rolls on time and all the the females still have something to gage their monthly visitor off of, who really cares whats inside. Third would be the escape route theory, and don't tell me thats not the shit, any small community could put their resources together and get to the moon.