Paranormal Witness - New Travis Walton Vid

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PostThu Oct 18, 2012 2:15 am » by Whiskeytfoxtrot


http://delishows.com/paranormal-witness ... ction.html

One of the few believable abduction accounts, at least for me. Enjoy. :cheers:
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PostThu Oct 18, 2012 2:20 am » by Spock


This was by far the best retelling of the story ever.

I loved how they pulled in everybody, from the police officers, the the lie detector administrator to the doctor that examined him.

The irony is the officer that believed in the lie detector test enough to hope it convicted the guys of murder, still thinks they are all lying, even after ALL of them passed the test, and the administrator says that those boys believe what they say happened, happened.

The cop is just another example of someone that is going to not believe anything outside of their dogma dujour.

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PostThu Oct 18, 2012 4:45 am » by Kerrblur2


ive seen the movie probably like 10 times.

never seen this documentary with EVERYBODY in the damn show! amazing amazing. I would have never left that chair! and never followed them holographic humans! lol them greys were smart you know? they were like
'whoa, hold on a sec this guy got our knives and shit! hes gonna whack us one! lets regroup, look like humans to him and get him little calmer!' simply awesome i wish that documentary went on for hours
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PostThu Oct 18, 2012 5:24 am » by domdabears


Hell yeah. I gotta watch this.

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PostThu Oct 18, 2012 6:04 am » by ZetaRediculous


Great new rendition of what happened to poor old Travis. Man, I feel for that guy.
especially when a TV show tries to cheat him.....


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I mean a TV show where he's trying to make some money... he looks pretty shocked at the end!!!

And here's Cy Gilsons polygraph of 1993

UFO Evidence wrote:4 February 1993

Mr. Jerry Black
(Address)
Blanchester, Ohio

Dear Mr. Black,

On February 4, 1993, a polygraph examination was administered to Mr. Travis Walton. The purpose of this examination was to determine whether or not Mr. Walton was being truthful in his statement about seeing a UFO and being abducted by the UFO plus other facts surrounding the abduction.

During the pretest interview, Mr. Walton said he had worked for Mike Rogers intermittently for about six years on a seasonal basis. He never socialized with any of the crew.

On November 5, 1975, they had worked a little later than usual trying to meet the contract commitment. By the time they were driving back to town, the sun had gone down but there was some light, like twilight.

As they were driving, he could see a glimmer of light in the trees ahead. At first he thought it may be a downed airplane. The light was unusual. As they neared a clearing he saw the object he called a UFO. This object will be referred to as a UFO throughout this report.

As the truck came to a stop, Mr. Walton got out. Believing it may take off, he walked briskly towards the UFO but slowed his pace before reaching it. He described it as being round and hovering about 20 feet above the ground. He did not go underneath it but stood there looking up at it. He said the UFO started to wobble slightly and make a noise. Mr. Walton said the noise was like a low rumble that developed into a higher pitch that seemed to increase in frequency. At this point he became afraid and decided to go back to the truck. He recalls being hit with an electrifying type of shock that stunned him, leaving him unconscious.

He recalls he slowly regained consciousness. He found himself in a small room that was damp or humid. He had pain throughout his body but mostly in his chest and head. He then saw three creatures he described as being about four feet tall with large, dark eyes. He was lying on some type of table. As these creatures approached him he got off the table. There was some type of shelf near the wal1 where he found a straight pipe­like object lying on it. He describes it as being round like a piece of pipe but lightweight. He cannot recall if it was solid or hollow. He picked it up and started to lash out at the creatures to keep them at bay. The creatures left the room by an open doorway, turning right.

Mr. Walton walked to that doorway, looked down a hall and he went left. He walked into another room, trying to find an exit from this enclosure. He did not know if he was in a spaceship or a building. A human­like creature came into the room, took him by the arm, leading him to another very large room where several more human­like creatures were. By this time most of the pain was gone. He was forced down on a table and had a mask, similar to an oxygen mask, put on his face. He does not remember anything else until he awoke next to the road, just outside Heber. As he regained consciousness, he looked up, seeing the UFO or one similar to the original one, hovering overhead. As he looked up at it, the UFO sped off into the sky.

Mr. Walton said his story is true. He said accusations made about him are lies. He had not been on any drugs of any kind. He was not hiding out somewhere on the Gibson ranch. He urinated in a jar and this sample was given to Dr. Kandell later that same day. Mr. Walton denies he conspired with Mr. Rogers to perpetrate a hoax to help him get out of the Turkey Springs contract with the Forestry Service.

Two series of questions were asked to cover all the areas we believe were important.

The relevant questions asked and the answers given are as follows:


Series #1:

Question #R1:

On November 5, 1975, in the forest area called Turkey Springs, did you see a large glowing object hovering in the air?

Answer: YES

Question #R2:

While you were standing near that UFO­like object, did you believe you were struck by an energy source emitted from that large object?

Answer: YES

Question #R3:

After regaining consciousness in a small, humid room, did you see nonhuman creatures with large dark eyes?

Answer: YES

Question #R4:

Did you conspire with your brother Duane or anyone else or act alone to stage a hoax about your UFO abduction?

Answer: NO


Series #2:

Question #R1:

Between November 1 and 11, 1975, did you use any drugs, either legal or illegal?

Answer: NO

Question #R2:

Between November 5 and 10, 1975, were you hiding anywhere on the Gibson ranch?

Answer: NO

Question #R3:

Was the urine sample given to Dr. Kandell on November 11, 1975, your first voided specimen following your UFO experience?

Answer: YES

Question #R4:

Was this UFO incident a conspiracy to help Mike Rogers get out of his Turkey Springs contract?

Answer: NO


Mr. Walton's physiological responses were monitored during the presentation of these questions by means of a Scientific Assessment Technology's Computer, Model CAPS 700. The following responses were recorded on this instrument's strip chart: relative blood pressure; skin conductance; thoracic and abdominal respiration. Data from three presentations of these questions were respiration. Data obtained for each series, and were subject to numerical scoring and computer­based analysis.

The numerical score of Series #1 was +34. The numerical score of Series #2 was +26. In the system of numerical scoring developed and validated at the University of Utah, total numerical scoring of +6 or more is considered indications of truthfulness.

The computer­based analysis returned a posterior probability of truthfulness of .964 in the first series, and a .961 in the second series. These indicating that charts like these produced in each series, by Mr. Walton, are produced by truthful examinees 96% of the time.

Based on the numerical score of the polygraph charts and the computer based analysis, it is the opinion of this examiner that Mr. Walton was being truthful when he answered these relevant questions.

Sincerely,

Cy Gilson


Thank you, Jerry Black! These examinations clear the air with a thoroughness, an utter finality, which can't be refuted. Cy Gilson used a widely practiced, extremely accurate, state­of­the­art method developed and perfected at the University of Utah. This involves a computerized monitoring and analysis of the tracings along with a point­scoring system of the charts applied by the examiner.


In summary: The computer put all three of us near the top of the range designated as conclusively truthful (almost no one ever achieves the theoretical maximum of 1.00), with me at .964 and .961, Mike at .990, and Allen at .993. On the numerical score I was first with +34 and +26 points, Mike had +31 points and Allen had +22 points.


- Travis Walton


So, which do you believe game show or one of the most respected polygraph experts????

Me neither, as I have heard that if someone truely believes what they are saying a polygraph wont show it up, and this polygraph was done 18years after the fact...

Thanks WF.... :cheers:
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PostThu Oct 18, 2012 6:09 am » by domdabears


Damn. I just watched the last few minutes of that show. They said he wasn't telling the truth.

Crazy.
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PostThu Oct 18, 2012 6:28 am » by ZetaRediculous


domdabears wrote:Damn. I just watched the last few minutes of that show. They said he wasn't telling the truth.

Crazy.


C'mon Dom... you must realise the TV station wouldn't want to part with a big wad of cash!!!! of course he was going to fail the big question.

An interesting point on the Cy Gilson test is that it was commissioned by a Mr Jerry Black, who by all accounts was a skeptic... :think: :headscratch:
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PostThu Oct 18, 2012 10:42 am » by Spock


Regardless of the last answer saying "false", he just went through all the other answers and they corroborated his story. That right there tells you the last answer was a glitch. There's no way ALL the other truthful answers could have been true, unless the last was true as well.

BTW Zeta - I LOVE Your Sig. Would have worked great in the "The Is Not Atheism" thread.

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PostThu Oct 18, 2012 11:04 am » by ZetaRediculous


Spock wrote:Regardless of the last answer saying "false", he just went through all the other answers and they corroborated his story. That right there tells you the last answer was a glitch. There's no way ALL the other truthful answers could have been true, unless the last was true as well.

BTW Zeta - I LOVE Your Sig. Would have worked great in the "The Is Not Atheism" thread.

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Yeah. Spock totally agree, he believes what he saw to be true, and so do all the other guys who were with him that night and even when Allen Dalis, who didn't like him, finally took the polygraph he passed too. I was pointing out the fact that the TV station....

a) didn't want to part with the cash
b) were possibly leaned on to purposely fail him on the last question.
c) had undue influence from Mr Shermer (the guest skeptic).

I was trying to point out the irony of the situation, that's all.

Travis was provisionally announced in December last year to be a guest speaker at the Rendlesham Conference this year, so I made plans to go, as I would certainly like to hear him in person. When I did a final check before buying the tickets in May, I saw no sign of him on the bill so I didn't go.

As I said, I do feel sorry for him, he didn't actively seek the publicity in the beginning it was thrust upon him, and if he makes some money from it, good for him, there's an honest and integrity you get from all the players in this case that is more emotional than any other well known abduction case. I still can't believe the Sheriff still wont have it. even after the polygraphs showing the seven guys involved still haven't changed their story in 37 years...


And yeah, Jung rocks... It was present in the Atheism thread :mrcool:
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