Pelosi's Insurance or Jail scheme should be stopped

Sat Nov 07, 2009 5:19 am » by **Lowsix**

PELOSI: Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail
JCT Confirms Failure to Comply with Democrats’ Mandate Can Lead to 5 Years in Jail
Friday, November 06, 2009

Today, Ranking Member of the House Ways and Means Committee Dave Camp (R-MI) released a letter from the non-partisan Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) confirming that the failure to comply with the individual mandate to buy health insurance contained in the Pelosi health care bill (H.R. 3962, as amended) could land people in jail. The JCT letter makes clear that Americans who do not maintain “acceptable health insurance coverage” and who choose not to pay the bill’s new individual mandate tax (generally 2.5% of income), are subject to numerous civil and criminal penalties, including criminal fines of up to $250,000 and imprisonment of up to five years.

In response to the JCT letter, Camp said: “This is the ultimate example of the Democrats’ command-and-control style of governing – buy what we tell you or go to jail. It is outrageous and it should be stopped immediately.”

Key excerpts from the JCT letter appear below:

“H.R. 3962 provides that an individual (or a husband and wife in the case of a joint return) who does not, at any time during the taxable year, maintain acceptable health insurance coverage for himself or herself and each of his or her qualifying children is subject to an additional tax.” [page 1]

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“If the government determines that the taxpayer’s unpaid tax liability results from willful behavior, the following penalties could apply…” [page 2]

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“Criminal penalties

Prosecution is authorized under the Code for a variety of offenses. Depending on the level of the noncompliance, the following penalties could apply to an individual:

• Section 7203 – misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.

• Section 7201 – felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years.” [page 3]

When confronted with this same issue during its consideration of a similar individual mandate tax, the Senate Finance Committee worked on a bipartisan basis to include language in its bill that shielded Americans from civil and criminal penalties. The Pelosi bill, however, contains no similar language protecting American citizens from civil and criminal tax penalties that could include a $250,000 fine and five years in jail.

“The Senate Finance Committee had the good sense to eliminate the extreme penalty of incarceration. Speaker Pelosi’s decision to leave in the jail time provision is a threat to every family who cannot afford the $15,000 premium her plan creates. Fortunately, Republicans have an alternative that will lower health insurance costs without raising taxes or cutting Medicare,” said Camp.

According to the Congressional Budget Office the lowest cost family non-group plan under the Speaker’s bill would cost $15,000 in 2016.

http://republicans.waysandmeans.house.g ... tID=153583

My Thoughts:

Now, i leave it to you to interpret what this means to you.
Do you pay less than $1250 a month at work for insurance?
Well thats the cost of the new MINUMUM offerings on the new
program snaking its way through congress. This is Pelosi's version.

Are you an independent contractor that can afford a $15,000 policy to avoid a $250 THOUSAND dollar fine and up to five years in jail?

No, this isnt spin, this is the law as it is written, along with its implications.
Frankly i give not a shit that its her name on the Bill..names dont matter at this level.

Truly ask, can YOU afford $15,000 a year in insurance premiums?
(some of you may pay that now, totally granted)

Most of us cant.
Read for yourself, google terms and ask yourselves the questions...

Sat Nov 07, 2009 5:49 am » by **Mediasorcerer**

i hate to say this,im sure america is a beautiful and amazing place,but id get the hell out before its too late,[no offence intended]what with fema camps,nazi police ,military in the streets,forced military training,chemtrails,whatever,it sounds bad over there,and might not get better,get out while you can ,come to australia,anywhere,its just my opinion,but from what i hear lately theres a lot of very devious shit going down,that will hurt a lot of innocent folks,hope my opinion dont offend,it wasnt meant that way,i feel for you all there,wish i could do more,regs me in aus

Sat Nov 07, 2009 5:50 am » by **Dirttyrabbit**

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o71Sw5xwAI4

Sat Nov 07, 2009 6:26 am » by **Dirttyrabbit**

Obamacare Line (5): What a phone call for health care may sound like in the near future
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIxrIX5TfME

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shSPMhwDCmQ

Sat Nov 07, 2009 2:16 pm » by **Mep630**

My gift for Pelosi...

What a fkn traitor she is, talk about a nazi in our government.

If Nixon had pelosi you can be sure he would not have been impeached.

she needs to be run out of America.

Sat Nov 07, 2009 5:29 pm » by **Samkenman**

I'll be one of the first to go to jail if this is indeed true. I can't find a copy of the bill anywhere....Can anyone direct me to a copy of the bill??

I'm a poor college student...Before the housing market crash , I was painting houses for $12 per hour, but since then the painting industry has all but collasped. No one can afford a professional paint job or remodel if they are in risk of lossing thier home to the banks. My last employer laid me off last October and I've been drawing unemployment ever since. I have gone back to school, and have been able to get some student loans and grants to help pay for it with a little left over to help pay the bills, but if it wasn't for my girlfriend working as a waitress, we'd be living on the street cause unemployment only pays me $225 a week.

I'm 33yrs old and haven't had health coverage for well over a decade now. Per that, I have become a naturalist and tend to my own health as well as my family's. Vitamens, suppliments, herbs, teas..ect..ect...ect.. They have worked very well for us and no one in my family has been sick for a very long time now.

There is no way in hell we can afford health insurance! Even when I had a job, I was only making $18.200 a year...and they want $15,000 for health insurance?? NO WAY is that fesable!! Even if my girlfriend bought coverage from her employer it wouldn't cover me cause we are not married, plus she'd have to give most of her tips back to the company to pay for it, and her tips is what we basically live on...week to week, sometimes, day to day. Needless to say...with the economy in its current state, tips are lacking!

Our only hope (as of now) is getting me through school so I can get a decent job that pays more than peanuts. But there is a flaw in that as well....when I graduate, I'll have almost sixty grand to pay back in loans.......

:shooting:

You folks may be hearing about me on the t.v. if this bill passes.....if they come to arrest me for no health insurance, they have a serious fight on thier hands...I won't go quietly! :nwo:

Can anyone please direct me to a copy of the Bill????

Sat Nov 07, 2009 5:41 pm » by **Lowsix**

IMPORTANT UPDATE!

First off, no I cant find a copy either.
Pelosi promised to have the bill up 72 hours before its passage, but just like the LIEs that Obama told us about transparency, she has steadfastly refused to do so, even when prompted by news organizations, who wanted to read it for themselves as well.

PART II

On the INDIVIDUAL policies,
it does appear that those run between $5-7k per person,
depending on situation...

So my full apologies for not knowing there was a break down..
The $15K appears to be for married families filing jointly..

But still, 5-7K or 15k...
Heavy burden on most.

Still lookin..

OK, and see for all those who want to sluff off my opinions as Obama bashing, i dont gove a flying handful of shit whos in the Presidency at this point, i really dont, i just want to see rational decisions being made about our future.

These hidden costs..THIS IS WHAT THE NEXT TWENTY YEARS looks like!
The bailouts, stimulus, cash for clunkers, first home programs...ALL of this stuff is GOING TO BE PAID FOR in ways like this, dropped on you silently from above, with no debate, no public postings..because they KNOW how mad people are going to be when they realize, that NO, um yeah WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO PAY OBAMAS BILLS...

(yes theyre ours..blah blah, yadda yadda)

so hang on for the ride, that was just a teeny shot fired over the bow to let people know JUST how expensive life is about to become..

This was NOTHIN.

Sat Nov 07, 2009 6:27 pm » by **Thewindycity**

Anarchy. Rebellion.
:evil:

This crap has gotta stop.

Sat Nov 07, 2009 6:47 pm » by **Samkenman**

Found a copy! And WOW!!!! A 1990 page monster!!!

http://docs.house.gov/rules/health/111_ahcaa.pdf :rtft:

I don't think this is an "active" link...you'll have to copy/paste

How in the hell are we to get all of this?? :bang;

I can't find anything on penalties for not having insurance..., but I did find a line or two about folks that make a certain amount per year and opt out of coverage will have to pay a tax to the "health trust fund" up 8% of thier income. And companies that make less than $500,000 a year are exempt from penalties... :?:

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Any speed readers out there??? :help:

Sat Nov 07, 2009 6:48 pm » by **Theduck**

There was 2 pages to this thread just what happened??

Have you been deleting comments you sneaky Vulcan? :think: