"Pompeii, Pornography & Privacy."

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PostFri Nov 29, 2013 1:07 pm » by Webcat


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When the city of Pompeii was buried in 79AD it left a time capsule of everyday life in a Roman city.

And gave us, almost 2,00 years later a glimpse into those lives.

The first thing any visitor or researcher of the site discovers are wonderfully preserved 'fossils' of the inhabitants and pornographic images!

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Beneath layers of muddy ash was a snapshot of everyday life in a Roman town, complete with bank receipts, graffiti, "for rent" signs, public mosaics depicting extremely graphic sex, and penis decorations on street corners. The more we learn about Pompeii, the more it seems that the origins of Western culture are nothing like Western culture today.


Looking deeper, one also discovers that these ancestors of our own Western Cultures had a an apparently different view on 'privacy' - which, for many of us, appears to be becoming an endangered species, in the 21st century.

They also, clearly had different views about sexuality, for graphic sexual images and graffiti adorn the city, in particular, the penis! They clearly didn't believe in the notion of pornography, and it appears, privacy.

Outside one shapely building on a main street in Pompeii, you can see this piece of graffiti: "Hic bene futui," or "Here you'll get a good fuck." It's a brothel, so perhaps there's no surprise that people have scribbled comments like that on its walls. But it was hardly the only place in the city where you'd find sexual references.


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Which such views in stark contrast to our own, I wonder how they would have viewed our outcry against both the profusion of pornography and the apparent destruction of privacy?

As Kleiner puts it, Western homes today are considered private sanctuaries. That idea would have been alien to the Romans, whose homes were built mostly as public spaces. Indeed, the "ideal" Roman house, according to Latin architectural writings, would include two or more storefronts (possibly containing sex workers, as we learned earlier). Privacy as we know it now — the kind where you shut your door and close the windows on the world — didn't exist in Pompeii.


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These people's liked their sexual pleasures and created images of the same, they were not too interested in hiding their private lives from public view either - I wonder who is the more 'honest' culture, theirs or Us in the matters of sex and privacy?

Is our current culture still buried in the morality of the 'Victorian' Mindset?

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/pompeii/9848658/Pompeii-exhibition-50-shades-of-Pompeii.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20407286
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PostFri Nov 29, 2013 7:00 pm » by Kinninigan


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cool post webcat

alot of the artifacts taken from pompeii were censored because of the pagan sex cults they showed

on my other pc i had a artifact pic from here with a hoofed demon having sex with a goat, and yes pompeii was like a huge pagan red light district... :shock:









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PostFri Nov 29, 2013 7:07 pm » by Kinninigan


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here is a link with the pic of the pagan god Pan having sex with a goat found in pompeii ruins

i wont post it, but you can look here (its graphic for a statue :o )


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... goat_2.JPG













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PostFri Nov 29, 2013 7:26 pm » by Webcat


Kinninigan wrote::shock:


here is a link with the pic of the pagan god Pan having sex with a goat found in pompeii ruins

i wont post it, but you can look here (its graphic for a statue :o )


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... goat_2.JPG













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:shock: Not surprised by that, after all, wasn't Pan half-goat? :mrgreen:

The Roman's were a strange lot [viewed through our modern eyes] they threw people to wild animals, made humans kill each other for entertainment but were completely open-minded sexually and had little regard for privacy.

Wiki actually has quite a good and informative page on Roman sexual manners.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexuality_in_ancient_Rome

The advent of Christianity put an end to such open sexuality, well, until our more 'enlightened' times since the 1960's but compared to them [the Romans] we're still virgins at an orgy!....... :think:

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PostFri Nov 29, 2013 8:15 pm » by Middleman


You have to be careful about assuming behavior from public art or grafitti.

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PostFri Nov 29, 2013 9:34 pm » by pushtone


Would be interested to know some dates on these frescoes/statues - see how the styles differ through the emperors, e.g., which are those done under Caligula... or those of Nero's rule etc.



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PostSat Nov 30, 2013 3:54 pm » by Webcat


Middleman wrote:You have to be careful about assuming behavior from public art or grafitti.


One of the sources I gave in a reply to Kinni details the research and evidence behind our understanding of Ancient Roman sexual manners and behaviour.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexuality_in_ancient_Rome

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PostSat Nov 30, 2013 5:34 pm » by Pateriot


A large portion of those women who were prostitutes were slaves. They had been either captured during invasions or in rebellions, had been convicted of committing crimes, had been purchased or kidnapped, or had been born into slavery. Wives or concubines who withheld sex from their husbands could be executed.

Sexual slavery and the subjection of women are rightfully frowned on today and we take great efforts to stamp them out. Perhaps the Roman's view of sex should NOT be thought of as superior to our Western views after all.


At least some of the persecutions of early Christians by the Romans was based on the fact that they taught against libertine views of sexuality. The roots of Western notions on it were present in Pompeii even before its destruction.

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PostSat Nov 30, 2013 6:34 pm » by Middleman


Webcat wrote:One of the sources I gave in a reply to Kinni details the research and evidence behind our understanding of Ancient Roman sexual manners and behaviour.


Fair enough.

I was just throwing this out there because the old media coverage of this story is often accompanied by the implication that explicit art or graffiti in brothels and bath houses means they were constantly having orgies in the town square...which sounds really silly, now that I type it.

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