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Re: mysterious fainting on new york to london flight?

Post by Thebluecanary » Sat Oct 02, 2010 7:39 pm

Flown lately? Unfortunately, I have, in the past two weeks, flown several long distance flights after about 10 years of blessed plane-free existence. Before, when I used to fly for my job about every month, I always came home and got sick, which I blamed on that nasty recirculated air. Now, it seems like they've shrunk all the seats to Lilliputian proportions in order to pack as many cattle..uh, I mean people, on as possible. Every flight we took was vastly overcrowded and we had literally about an inch of space between our knees and the seat in front of us if we didn't try to stretch. It was hot hot hot between the people packed on top of us and the bad faulty air conditioning which blew hot air. The first flight we were on was filled with a bad CO2 stench for about the first hour, to the point that people were kinda freaking out and asking the stewardess what was burning...her response was that the smell was completely normal. My response to air travel is to keep on a steady diet of Bloody Marys till I can't feel the pain no more, but by the time we reached our destination both my boyfriend (who's 6'5) and myself were so cramped up and in miserable pain that we could barely walk to baggage claim.

The point of this rant is I can see a perfectly reasonable explanation for people passing out on a trans-Atlantic haul. I've honestly been more comfortable and had better air quality in the mosh pit.

Re: mysterious fainting on new york to london flight?

Post by Rebellfoxx » Sat Oct 02, 2010 3:34 pm

Obviously the UK simply took their breath away.....wow i love being British :D

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Re: mysterious fainting on new york to london flight?

Post by Funnyman46 » Sat Oct 02, 2010 1:08 pm

I think you may have something on the pesticide issue, read this little bit of information I came across after reading you thread.
It’s from http://www.aircraftfumigation.com


THE COMPANY
Advance Fumigation and Pest Control Limited provides Aircraft Disinfestation services primarily at London Heathrow and Gatwick airports and by arrangement at other regional airports.
DISINFECTIONThe recent Swine Flu & SARS outbreak has highlighted the need for airlines to ensure that aircraft are disinfected following the transportation of suspected SARS or swine flu infected passengers. This company is able to provide localised disinfection of specific zones within an aircraft or complete disinfections of the entire cabin which may be required in addition to the normal cleaning and disinfections procedures carried out onboard by aircraft cleaning contractors. The disinfectants used are approved by aircraft manufacturers, operators and the Port Health Authorities in the UK and are known to inactivate viruses with physical and biochemical properties similar to SARS.
DISINFESTATION
Disinfestation is a procedure whereby all galleys, bars, amenity stowages and toilets etc., are spray treated with an approved insecticide to control possible infestations of crawling insects i.e. cockroaches. These treatments are normally carried out on a monthly or 6-8 weekly scheduled basis either to coincide with hangar inputs or are carried out on the ramp when down time allows. We also respond to any call-out treatments that are required following Tech. Log entries for either Cockroach or Biting Insect infestation that have emerged during operations. We do try to respond as soon as possible but due to tight turn rounds it is sometimes impractical and therefore we arrange for treatments when an aircraft returns. (A Deferred Defect can be raised and if notice is given, treatment can be carried out when the Aircraft returns).
On longhaul Aircraft it is a mandatory requirement to have Disinfestation Treatments carried out and also recommended to conform with any future legislation i.e. food hygiene regulations etc. It is also included in the World Health Organisation Recommendations on the Disinsecting of Aircraft.
RESIDUAL DISINSECTION
Health authorities in many countries are becoming increasingly concerned about the potentially deadly risks of malaria carried into their territory by “jet-setting” mosquitoes that travel on international flights. It is a mandatory World Health Organisation (WHO) requirement on specific routes that Airlines use either aerosol disinsection spray cans during the flight while passengers are onboard or alternatively ensure the entire aircraft cabin is treated with an approved residual insecticide on a scheduled basis. This company is able to provide this service in the UK and is also approved by the Australian Quarantine Inspection Service (AQIS).


FUMIGATION / THERMAL DISINSECTION
Methyl Bromide has now been withdrawn under the European Biocides Directive and therefore no longer available for use as an aircraft fumigant. This company has been active in researching an effective, viable and less environmentally damaging alternative that we can offer to the Aviation industry as an effective means of aircraft disinfestation.

Although both Carbon Dioxide and Nitrogen were suggested and considered, due to the prolonged, expensive and unsupported biocidal registration process it was decided not to pursue these alternatives. Also these gases are unproven, their efficiency inconsistent ,and the quantity of gaseous product required would be both unmanageable and unviable especially on a large multi deck aircraft. Consideration must also be given to the potential environmental impact of several tonnes of green house gas emissions when using these products.
Advance Fumigation recently undertook a trial onboard a B747 in collaboration with DryAir UK Ltd, to ascertain the effectiveness and viability of the DryAir Heat Transfer system. The trial not only proved to be a complete success in terms of disinfestation, but the technique also produces potential additional benefits to the aviation industry as an aircraft dehumidifier, that is by removing excess moisture within the fuselage thereby reducing the weight of the aircraft, therefore a reduction in fuel burn. Heat Transfer also acts as an aid to cabin sterilisation. The DryAir system is totally non toxic and has a very small carbon footprint.
If you require further details please contact us.
THE STAFF
All our staff are qualified and hold Certificates of Competence in Pest Control and Fumigation, in accordance with the British Pest Control Association Certification Scheme.
REGULATION OR RECOMMENDATION?
Disinfestation Treatments are a mandatory requirement on longhaul aircraft and also recommended to conform with any future legislation i.e. food hygiene regulations, etc.
It is also included in the World Health Organisation recommendations on the Disinsecting of Aircraft
All preparations used are approved by Aircraft Manufacturers and Operators

Re: mysterious fainting on new york to london flight?

Post by Callumhamilton » Sat Oct 02, 2010 7:55 am

lynziswez wrote:I think there are many possible reasons for this "strange" phenomena.

I have two possible theories & neither have anything to do with mysterious ways.

I have travelled by plane many many times, both long haul & short haul.

My personal experience while flying has generally been a bad experience since the No Smoking policy was implented. This may sound a bit strange at first but, it is all relative to the air conditioning & pesticides. Every year when I arrive back from abroad, I am seriously ill for many weeks. The first time I had a bad experience, my first sympton was evident immediately, I acquired an extremely itchy & stinging scalp after about 20 mins into boarding the plane. The "itch" became so unbearable & painful that it was the focus for me throughout the flight & then I was ill for a futher 10 days with aches & pains, nausea, headaches, feeling of low energy & "out of sorts". It was after this experience that I first learned about pest control on flights. Maybe quite niavely I had not considered prior to this that chemical sprays were sprayed after each flight into the cabins to kill any possible insects that had been brought on board on peoples clothes, bags ect to avoid cross contamination into different countries as well as possible airbourne bugs.
I might be wrong as I don't have any technical expertise nor knowledge on this stuff & can only speak of my own experiences. Now whether this stuff is manually sprayed or was previousily dispersed through the air conditioning (as I believe it is usually done in between change over of passengers) as I have only actually witnessed it being done once & that was manually sprayed by the flight attendants throughout the plane while all passengers were on board due to a short turnaround dead line. As we are now aware that the chemicals in crop spray are potential cancer inducers the I believe this stuff they are spraying possibly falls into the same catagory. Now with the risk of Swine flu contamination I am more than sure that the "regular" spray on flights will have been "adjusted " to "deal" with this. Maybe any new chemical addative is having a direct & speedy result on travellers healths & causing causing reactions immediately.

Now since the no smoking ban on flights I believe that the air conditioning no longer sucks in used air & reapplies fresh air, but instead circulates the existing air as I have been told that they no longer feel there is the need for the expense of full air conditioning as there is no smoke to clear. If this is the case, then they are constantly recycling the air throughout the plane which is full of everyone's germs & illnesses & possibly infecting every passenger, & will also circulate the pesticide time & time again throughout the whole of the flight which would explain why I am so ill after every time I travel.


I also suggested air conditioning stations, or indeed just extracting heat. Anyone working in that field would know how to draw cool air in, and suck hot air out - simply because of the way in which the air moves (and warm air rising).

http://www.crystalsigma.com :roll:

Re: mysterious fainting on new york to london flight?

Post by Wompasdub » Tue Nov 10, 2009 2:19 pm

lol I love how in that first photo all the passengers seem to think it's funny and ridiculous the guy is in a hazmat

Re: mysterious fainting on new york to london flight?

Post by Lynziswez » Tue Nov 10, 2009 1:51 pm

I think there are many possible reasons for this "strange" phenomena.

I have two possible theories & neither have anything to do with mysterious ways.

I have travelled by plane many many times, both long haul & short haul.

My personal experience while flying has generally been a bad experience since the No Smoking policy was implented. This may sound a bit strange at first but, it is all relative to the air conditioning & pesticides. Every year when I arrive back from abroad, I am seriously ill for many weeks. The first time I had a bad experience, my first sympton was evident immediately, I acquired an extremely itchy & stinging scalp after about 20 mins into boarding the plane. The "itch" became so unbearable & painful that it was the focus for me throughout the flight & then I was ill for a futher 10 days with aches & pains, nausea, headaches, feeling of low energy & "out of sorts". It was after this experience that I first learned about pest control on flights. Maybe quite niavely I had not considered prior to this that chemical sprays were sprayed after each flight into the cabins to kill any possible insects that had been brought on board on peoples clothes, bags ect to avoid cross contamination into different countries as well as possible airbourne bugs.
I might be wrong as I don't have any technical expertise nor knowledge on this stuff & can only speak of my own experiences. Now whether this stuff is manually sprayed or was previousily dispersed through the air conditioning (as I believe it is usually done in between change over of passengers) as I have only actually witnessed it being done once & that was manually sprayed by the flight attendants throughout the plane while all passengers were on board due to a short turnaround dead line. As we are now aware that the chemicals in crop spray are potential cancer inducers the I believe this stuff they are spraying possibly falls into the same catagory. Now with the risk of Swine flu contamination I am more than sure that the "regular" spray on flights will have been "adjusted " to "deal" with this. Maybe any new chemical addative is having a direct & speedy result on travellers healths & causing causing reactions immediately.

Now since the no smoking ban on flights I believe that the air conditioning no longer sucks in used air & reapplies fresh air, but instead circulates the existing air as I have been told that they no longer feel there is the need for the expense of full air conditioning as there is no smoke to clear. If this is the case, then they are constantly recycling the air throughout the plane which is full of everyone's germs & illnesses & possibly infecting every passenger, & will also circulate the pesticide time & time again throughout the whole of the flight which would explain why I am so ill after every time I travel.

Re: mysterious fainting on new york to london flight?

Post by Thewindycity » Tue Nov 10, 2009 12:44 pm

hubby says "if god wanted me to fly, he would have given me wings". Personally, I can't imagine life without flight.

Re: mysterious fainting on new york to london flight?

Post by bugmenot » Mon Nov 02, 2009 3:00 am

domdabears wrote:Jesus... Gotta love that site when your about to fly. I never been on an airplane and I really could care or less if I ever do.



me neither to much of a control freak lol. like control of my own destiny if i die it will be by my hands Image

Re: mysterious fainting on new york to london flight?

Post by domdabears » Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:37 am

Jesus... Gotta love that site when your about to fly. I never been on an airplane and I really could care or less if I ever do.

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