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Re: If Energy Exists After Death...

Post by Memccool » Sun Jun 27, 2010 6:06 am

My thoughts are idk nor do i care or fear it because we all will figure it out sometime so why dwell on it. Live the days one moment at a time. Always be grateful you woke up this morning

Re: If Energy Exists After Death...

Post by Mediasorcerer » Sun Jun 27, 2010 4:03 am

good post spock,well worded,
i started to understand about"ghosts" after at the age of 15 i got severly haunted in family house .went on fro two years and almost drove me crazy ,but also inspired me to look for answers,it was a very upset entity that was around that house,i never believed in anyhthing like that before it actually started happening,then it changes u mind eventually,set me on the path of questioning all i thought i kn ew.

Re: If Energy Exists After Death...

Post by Whaleylakeufo » Sun Jun 27, 2010 3:55 am

Yes it does , I will keep this short , but review my link to some photos I have captured which began at ancient sacred sites near my home , Plasma lights , not ghost , nor orbs.
I have personally passed away for but a brief moment and can assure you you are eternal energy , your soul, or consciousness as I prefer never ends , you are pure energy which is light .
The more you draw yourself to this with pure intent , the more that will be attracted to YOU!

I was also at close range to the most brilliant light UFO in 1984 with a friend , this experience was at such range we felt heat from the pure light , we drew it in with out thoughts and intent .
Lots going on behind the curtain my friend , the illusionist holds us in mind prisons .

Re: If Energy Exists After Death...

Post by Cotterpin » Sat Jun 26, 2010 9:00 pm

kyo121 wrote:@hesop
i think you meant the 21 grams the weight of souls. Scientist have been calling that a myth for a long time so i'm not really sure if the actual test was done or not. If you have some info on if it was really conducted it'd be nice to know.

I've been looking for a reproducton of Duncan McDougal's paper on this but I can't pin it down. Grr!

Here is the relevent part an article about it though.

http://www.missionarysjournal.com/archi ... death.html

Is there anything in the world to indicate that there may be something that leaves the body at death that cannot be accounted for by any valid, proven scientific explanation? Here's something to think about.

In 1906, at the General Hospital, at Haverhill, Massachusetts there was conducted one of the strangest scientific experiments ever made. And because of its weird nature hospital authorities shut down the laboratory tests and any further experiments were forbidden.

It was a project of Dr. Duncan McDougall and centered upon the question…. Does man possess a soul that leaves the body at the moment of death? McDougall reasoned that if a man does somehow survive death, then he must survive in some kind of physical form or substance. He further reasoned that if this soul-substance had any physical properties then it must have weight. And if it did have weight then perhaps it could be detected by constructing a very delicately balanced platform beam scale. A combination bed and scale was built to precision.

Next, McDougall secured the full co-operation of several terminally ill tuberculosis patients. When the time came that one of the patients was near the point of death, he was placed on a bed that had been turned into a gigantic scale. McDougall later wrote a report of what happened: My first subject was a man dying of tuberculosis. It seemed best to me to select a patient dying with a disease that produces great exhaustion, the death occurring with little or no muscular movement, because in such a case the beam (scales)could be kept more perfectly at balance and any loss occurring could be kept more perfectly at balance and any loss occurring readily noted.

During all three hours and forty minutes, I kept the beam end slightly above balance near the upper limiting bar, in order to make the test more decisive if it should come. At the end of three hours and forty minutes he expired …. AND SUDDENLY, AT THE EXACT MOMENT OF DEATH, THE BEAM END DROPPED WITH AN AUDIBLE STROKE, HITTING AGAINST THE LOWER LIMITING BAR, AND REMAINING THERE. THE LOSS WAS ASCERTAINED TO BE THREE-FOURTHS OF AN OUNCE."

To be sure that the mysterious, weight loss wasn't caused by perspiration evaporating and leaving the body, the rate of evaporation had already been calculated and found to be one-sixtieth of an ounce per minute, but the weight loss had occurred within a second or two therefore eliminating that as a cause of the weight loss.

Another possibility that had to be taken into consideration was the weight of any air leaving the lungs at the moment of death. This too had been measured and factored into the experiment. It had been found that the lungs can hold about 300 cubic inches of air, which meant only one sixth of an ounce. Neither of these could account for the mysterious weight loss that had suddenly taken place!

McDougall quickly set about conducting a second experiment exactly like the first one. The second patient lay on the bed for four hours and fifteen minutes before death occurred. But when the equipment registered that death had taken place, the beam on the scales DIDN'T move; no weight loss had occurred. Apparently the experiment had failed. For almost fifteen minutes the subject had no heartbeat, and to all indications life had ceased; only the facial muscles still twitched. And then suddenly the facial twitching stopped, and when it did …… at that precise moment … the beam on the scale dropped with an audible sound! The scale registered exactly one ounce of weight loss…. and it could not be accounted for in by any known cause! When McDougall later duplicated the same experiment using animals instead of human beings ……. no weight loss occurred. (*1)

Re: If Energy Exists After Death...

Post by Clawspiracy » Sun Apr 05, 2009 10:34 am

Oops. My apology. Hesop's signature says it better...

"Serve no one, but one another"


Re: If Energy Exists After Death...

Post by Clawspiracy » Sun Apr 05, 2009 10:20 am

Ok... No one said it or asked, so I will. What about Bob Marley, then?

Bob is dead, surely. But the energy he created, and the auditory impressions he's left behind on records is awe inspiring. It always amazes me when I see some little kid first getting into Bob. That energy is real. It was captured, rather badly some would say, on nothing more than tape and vinyl... And yet it speaks directly into our deepest humanity. That energy is there. A part of Bob Marley is right there.

So for me, Bob is not dead. When I play him, he's there. And Bob will continue to be here even when I'm gone. Energy is not only transferred and moved, it is recorded and kept. Whether electronically or spiritually it does not matter. The end result is the same. Marley wanted to change the world. His physical existence is gone but his soul's desire continues to do his work. Now, I'm not suggesting we all record albums... But...

John Lennon? The same. Jesus? The same. Mohamed? The same. Jah? The same.

And You? The same!

How much of you will be left behind for others to keep, enabling your energy to continue on, able to transcend death and suffering? What do you leave behind that the world can take and use to heal or create harmony in this human existence? For I will tell you now that if you leave this world and all those upon it with disdain and relief, you have not learned the lesson yet.

The lesson is simple. There is no riddle. Treat everyone and everything with the same kindness and love you yourself would like to receive without the need for reciprocation.
Try this, and life will begin to have some direction. Then, you will have left this place in a better state than it was in when you occupied physical space.

This is the single most important thing I've ever learned on this world. And do I get an "A" for it every day? Sadly, no. I am not perfect. That does not mean I won't strive for it.

Energy exists. We all agree. Think about what I just said, and put on some Marley. You'll see.

Re: If Energy Exists After Death...

Post by Headsinthesand » Sun Apr 05, 2009 7:06 am

Big and possibly largly misunderstood question spock, everything is energy and everything lives on in one form or another, be it kinetic, thermal, electrical or any of the others and unknowns, the major question should be, does this energy retain consiousness, or join with the other energys of the world to continue the cycle. looking into the religions of the world you come to see that the general belief is that a level of consiousness is transfered with this energy, and from a scientific standpoint it is extremely hard to define and identify consiusness, as not all energy seems to have a logical consiousness. The question of lingering energys is therefore a question of lingering consiousness. The tests on pure water samples under electron microscopes on control samples and samples from the same batch before and after being exposed to postive or negative emotional energys is quite convincing of the effects of our minds on the world around us and the ability to affect the energys around us. so in short f :censored: k yeah we can have an impact on the energys around us after we "die".

Re: If Energy Exists After Death...

Post by Bawdiemaude » Sun Apr 05, 2009 1:21 am

i agree that there can be some kind of energetic impression that exists after an event.

When i was at college I had some strange experience of re witnessing my energy impact....in retrospect i dont know...at the time i was convinced.

More recently in a house i rented - for 2 years at a very emotional point in my life when i fell in love with someone and was heartbroken.....I have this feeling that i still haunt that bedroom, i feel like my energy/emotion was so powerful at that time - now whenever I remember that room, i still see movement and action as if i am still living there with my lover....

i know
i know
not one thing to prove it
nothing scientific

just belief.....

i imagine that whatever vibration you hold here as human will likely continue - either high or low...and maybe thats the marker as to whether you reincarnate or continue on to other realities.

and maybe like my two experiences there is residual energy that can be felt...but i dont suppose that is always the soul/full energy of the person - more the pattern of their emotion still vibrating.

this sounds odd.....
but sometimes when there has been a horrific accident and a death....i think i can feel the soul of the person and they seem so confused.....and maybe they are stuck as ghosts wandering?

certainly i think it goes without saying that science does not have all the answers...
but i think imagining possible 'answers' can help with science proving theories. I sometimes dream of a time when artists and scientist have a deeper relationship.....i think the schism between subjects has held our development back.
which is why i like this site...the mixture of science, ufology, ghosts, paranormal and spiritual and current affairs....but where are the artists and poets? (oh that'd be me- and im here! lol)

Re: If Energy Exists After Death...

Post by Towelie » Fri Apr 03, 2009 5:39 pm

Will we be able to find out though, the best ideas so far suggest we can comprehend the physical and quantum realities because our brain works on two levels, physical and quantum - what i wonder is if theres atleast one more "level" of science above the quantum that we just cant possibly comprehend in any way, got a long way to go untill we can have any idea about this one though. (This wouldnt be what people refer to as god or anything as there are ideas about those, this new "level" would be beyond our comprehension so would not fit into any religious theories etc as its unimaginable.)

Re: If Energy Exists After Death...

Post by Drextin » Fri Apr 03, 2009 5:28 pm

Don't feel bad towelie I've looked into it as well and all the strange things that can happen with energy is hard enough to understand much less trying to add who we are and what will happen at the death to the matter.

Same conclusion here though. There won't be an emotional attachment to the energy and it would be doubtful that the energy would even be intelligent. In the natural universe energy lays no claim to how it is used. The energy would be broken up at some point and become pieces of who we were with little parts spreading to do different jobs.

The same energy that is us could be one day be the energy that first powers a star. It's a weird and amazing concept but granted like the universe itself it is a cold and seemingly benevolent process.

I do not wish to ever fully come to grips with the above. While it's percentage of likely hood is high............I got to believe there is more to all this and I hope sincerely that I find that to be the case either in my lifetime of after.