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Re: Death bed promise....

Post by Think6782 » Thu Jul 09, 2009 1:52 am

This is my first ever post hope it works.


Good question... And the way my mind is thinking is that

when ever you die, your conscious mind slips into another dimension like sleep. i don't think we can get back when we die becauze we don't have the body to support our conscious mind, maybe we go intro another dream like dimension and we cant get back even if we try. Maybe we all go to a place in another world or dimension. where everything is explained to us. judging by the life we lead. this world is designed for us. we can only exist in this planet and life because of our body carrying our conscious mind...

e xcuse the grammer its late and typings not my thing at stupid o'clock

Re: Death bed promise....

Post by Deliverance » Thu Jul 09, 2009 1:31 am

allow me to take away your fear... THERE IS NO DEATH! you simply change.
its moving from one state of awareness to the next. like waking from a dream/sleep. or if we want to think "fluffy"... like a butterfly.

but lets not get ahead of ourselves.... lets talk re-incarnation first. REINCARNATION'S PURPOSE IS TO KEEP COMING BACK UNTIL U GET IT RIGHT!!! how are you expected to handle existence/ life in a higher form, when you havent mastered what it is to be human in this one???

there are reasons why u dont have knowledge of "death" . 1. nobody knows
2. nobody has told you

this is where i come in.... a.k.a. DELIVERANCE

imagine if everyone had the information of "death". who would strive to make their mark on the world then????

Re: Death bed promise....

Post by Preraphaelite » Thu Jul 09, 2009 12:46 am

I guess the next question would be..............do those who have moved on know this as fact? Or do they like us suspect but have no proof? Seems that whatever happens to you when you die would be a evolution of sorts that would give you more enlightenment on such matters which would explain why they try hard to contact us.

Of course the scary part of that is obviously no one is telling them anything about how it all works or they would not be trying so hard..............they would be enjoying their next step in the universe/s. I could theorize about this all day. Good stuff preraphaelite...you got my mind working early today.


I think you are right, drextin, that the people who have moved on to the spirit world are enjoying their next step in the universe/s (more on my thoughts on your use of the suggested plural in a minute!). At least that seemed to be the resounding theme in the messages that I witnessed being delivered by mediums to their loved ones - it sounded like they were having a whale of a time! :D

I suppose if they did instantly know everything about how it all works though, then their journey would be at an end and they would not need to evolve or exist as individuals at all. Perhaps it is somewhat akin to our experiences when we start a new job or move to a different place (albeit on a slightly more cosmic level ;) ) - it can be pretty exciting to explore our new surroundings and we maybe get a bit of help from others in finding our way around and learning the local customs, but quickly adapt to our new way of life which then becomes our "reality", with our previous life seeming ever more like a dream. Although we may through experience learn much about living in our new environment, we would not know everything about the inner workings of our new town or employer! And also we would not usually want to completely lose touch with our old friends - maybe we'd try to catch up with them from time to time...

Hmm, well, apologies for that somewhat simplistic analogy, hehe!

I've been thinking about all this lots today. Spiritualists will say that the spirit world - at least the next plane of existence after this one - is geographically situated all around us on the earth, although vibrating at a different, higher frequency. They also speak of higher realms, which we progress through when we have reached the right stage of our development, each one less dense than the one preceding it, which reach further out away from the earth - like the layers of an onion. This idea, to some degree or another, seems to be contained within many other teachings and religions.

I wonder, could it be possible that the scientific quantum theory of multiple universes is actually describing, in mathematical terms, the realms that we travel to after "death"?

Thought you might enjoy a little something else to get you thinking some more drextin ;) This is surely making my brain hurt now!

Re: Death bed promise....

Post by Preraphaelite » Wed Jul 08, 2009 10:12 am

@ Snake Plissken

It sounds as if your great grandfather, as a man of his word, would have tried his hardest to make contact with you as he'd planned. I would be interested to know whether you have ever tried to do anything to perhaps make this contact "easier" for him? There is the obvious method of having a sitting with a respected medium - if you do, though, I would recommend not giving them any information about why specifically you are there or any details about your g-grandfather (for obvious reasons ;) ).

Other things you could try:
Sit quietly in a room and think of your g-grandfather - reach out to him with your mind. Then ask him if he can give you a sign of his presence, ie: make a knock or other sound, move something, show himself - even if just as a light form. Apparently (so spiritualists will say) it will make it easier for him if there is some water nearby - even just a glass of water will do.

Provide some kind of electronic equipment for him to communicate through. Many people seem to have picked things up through this method, and it may appeal to your g-grandfather (as an engineer) to have some machinery to tinker with! You could try some EVP work with an old tape recorder or other sound recording device, or even attempt to make contact through your television (tuned to a static/white noise frequency). On TV's "Ghosthunters" they have had some success using I think what is called a K2 meter, which lights up when it detects an electromagnetic field (useful for yes/no questions).

If you attempt any of the above, please do a little protection ritual before you begin (you may be able to find some words on the net). I also, personally, would steer well clear of using a ouija board as I think they are really bad news.

Oh, and if you do try any of this, I hope that you may be able to film the proceedings so that, if anything happens, you can share the proof with all of us!!!! :)

Re: Death bed promise....

Post by Drextin » Mon Jul 06, 2009 4:57 pm

I think that, if there is an afterlife, the spirit world operates in another plane of existence to our own, vibrating on another wavelength rather like two different channels on a radio. Sometimes, perhaps, the conditions are right so that the two channels can interfere with each other and we may make contact. I know that many spiritualists believe that if you really want and seek a message from the other side, that feeling of intent can actually serve to block the lines of communication.

I like that. It makes sense.

I guess the next question would be..............do those who have moved on know this as fact? Or do they like us suspect but have no proof? Seems that whatever happens to you when you die would be a evolution of sorts that would give you more enlightenment on such matters which would explain why they try hard to contact us.

Of course the scary part of that is obviously no one is telling them anything about how it all works or they would not be trying so hard..............they would be enjoying their next step in the universe/s. I could theorize about this all day. Good stuff preraphaelite...you got my mind working early today.

Re: Death bed promise....

Post by Preraphaelite » Mon Jul 06, 2009 4:23 pm

I have pondered the question of life after death ever since I was a small child. When I was young I had many psychic experiences - some which you might describe as being mediumistic - and later went on to attend a spiritualist church where I witnessed some quite compelling "evidence" that we continue to exist after our physical death as sentient beings. However, as I've progressed through adulthood, so my cynicism has grown and I feel far less "in touch" with any psychic or spiritual realms, and question my earlier experiences.

I did have one very powerful experience a few years ago though, which I am at a loss to fully explain (unless there really is life after death!). I was living as a single mum at the time and my young daughter had been staying at her grandmother's overnight because it was New Year's Eve - I'd been out the night before with a small group of friends at a local bar to see in the New Year together, and we'd all left and returned to our respective homes at about 3am or so. After a few hours sleep I woke up at around 10.30am and, feeling slightly hungover, I was cursing the fact that I had to get up and dressed and ready to go out. I was still on friendly terms with my ex and he'd offered to call round at about 11 that morning and give me a lift in his car to collect our daughter from my mum's house, as there was no public transport running that day. I was lying in bed awake for a few minutes, trying to summon the energy to actually get up, when I heard and felt movement in my hallway outside my bedroom, as if someone was walking towards my room from the lounge. I immediately sat up and saw a tall male figure stop just outside the open door of my bedroom. I just sat and looked at him, puzzled - squinting at him because I hadn't had the chance to put my glasses on! I felt no fear whatsoever at that point - the person in the doorway was looking at me and although I couldn't see his features clearly, I felt an overwhelming feeling of love coming from him. For some reason I didn't think to say anything, we just looked at each other for what seemed to be maybe 15 seconds. I felt that this guy was looking at me thinking that I looked sweet tucked up in bed in my pyjamas - kind of how a parent would do about their child, a very strange, safe, nurturing kind of feeling - difficult to put into words. My initial thought was that the person must be my ex and that he'd called early, but then I couldn't work out why he hadn't knocked or rung at the front door first, and why he would just let himself in with the emergency-only key. Then I remembered that my ex had recently had his hair cut short, and noticed that the guy stood in front of me had really long hair. At that point I panicked - I reached for my glasses at the side of my bed, and also for an iron candlestick which I then brandished as a weapon to use against my "intruder". Of course as I crept out of my room and gingerly searched my flat I realised there was nobody there.

My ex arrived, as arranged, about half an hour later and, still pretty shaken, I told him about my weird experience telling him that I "must be going mad". Later on at around 7 o'clock that evening I received a phone call to tell me that one of the friends I'd been out with the night before had died suddenly in his sleep that morning, somewhere between 9.30-10.30am, as a result of his epilepsy. He was only 35 years old and his wife discovered him lying dead beside her. My god, what a shock - and I realised immediately that it was that same friend who I'd seen that morning, presumably right after he died. The figure that I'd seen was the same height and build, with long flowing hair and the same long coat that my friend always wore. I think he just came to say goodbye - he was quite a spiritual person himself and a true "gentle giant" - such a kind, warm-hearted person. I later found out that two other friends had also seen him after he died, but both other instances occurred after they'd already heard the news of his passing.

As I said, I can't explain the experience that I had or give any other more "rational" explanation. I was definitely wide awake and although I have myopia my eyesight is not so bad that I can't see a solid person standing about 10 feet in front of me. And it was a solid person - oddly, I could feel the vibrations caused by the weight of the person as he moved down my hallway, which would seem to defy the laws of physics as we know them! Although I had this very profound experience, I still remain open-minded about whether we live on after death. What funny creatures we humans are - I am still skeptical even after what happened to me, whilst others can blindly follow a belief without any real proof whatsoever!

I think that, if there is an afterlife, the spirit world operates in another plane of existence to our own, vibrating on another wavelength rather like two different channels on a radio. Sometimes, perhaps, the conditions are right so that the two channels can interfere with each other and we may make contact. I know that many spiritualists believe that if you really want and seek a message from the other side, that feeling of intent can actually serve to block the lines of communication.

Re: Death bed promise....

Post by Darrylmckay » Fri Jun 19, 2009 9:23 am

I have come to believe that we all live forever (since having children) I have come to relaise that that is how to attain eternal life, part of you lives on long after your dead, my sister has six kids who are now having kids and are all over the world, those people would not have exsisted without her and they and thier children will be here long after she is gone, each child carrys a small part of ourselves into the furture, I do not believe in an after life but I now believe in eternal life.

Re: Death bed promise....

Post by Clawspiracy » Fri Jun 19, 2009 8:49 am

@ purplehaze65

Not weird, but profound.

I hope that it isn't just silence and eternal sleep. It's a hard concept to bear. It seems to me that more and more this view keeps getting pushed. What does it do for human morale?

Nothing. It says that it gives us scientific proof and freedom, but no hope for a spiritual awakening. It's a sorry existence, empty. Why have such an imagination and creativity as a species if all we can do is lay our heads in a grave in silence?

Give me a universe to play with when I die, and let me help guide it. Being part of it might be fun as long as some intellectual part of this "I" is still there.

Re: Death bed promise....

Post by Purplehaze65 » Fri Jun 19, 2009 2:09 am

I really need to tell you two stories and my own personal theories.
Here goes,

After my Grandmother died (I really don't know how long preciesly but that's not so importend to me) I had this dream, I was with my Grandmother and someone I interpreted as Prince Bernhard (a Dutch prince who was once married to queen Juliana).
I am sure since I never knew my biological grandfather I just symbolised the , let's say most recent "monarch"of my family tree that way.
So far the symbology of the dream up to here.
We were at the base of some tower and we climbed it for a while, at a certain point we didn't go any further up but my grandmother said goodbye, ofcourse I didn't want her to leave without me because I was always quite fond of her, but she made it clear to me (without a word being spoken) that I just couldn't come along.
What happened then will stay with me for the rest of my life,, she "sent" to me a feeling of so much love so unconditional and so pure it made it almost easy to let her go without being selfish in any way, so they leave.
Next thing I remember I am at a bus stop where I am supposed to wait until I got picked up, to be brought back to where I came from.
After that I woke up feeling no sadness at all about my grand mother dying because I knew she loved me and had moved on BY CHOICE, but she had to say goodbye and let me know,,no! not Know but FEEL how much she loved me as I am.
Then there is this weird dream, a lot shorter,

I dreamt I was A bird flying around in my neighbourhood, I landed on a brach in some tree in a local park.
From there on I can still fly but was a bird no more.
When I flew away and landed in the park I saw someone I interpreted as being superman, and because I knew I could fly I dared him to fly just like me , him being superman and all.
I flew away and he did not.
Then I woke up.
normaly end of story, but it isn't, not yet.
That same day some 3 hours later I went out to walk my dog in the same park as in the dream.
To my amazement there was this kid playng in a superman outfit (or maybe pajamas).
Is that weird or not?

Re: Death bed promise....

Post by Clawspiracy » Mon May 18, 2009 9:49 am

Perhaps it isn't so much that your grandfather didn't keep his promise. He did. By making that promise, he made you remember him, and here you are asking this question to strangers... What does your gut tell you? Forget about us, what we think.

Maybe the signs were subtle. And I am agreeing with Drex that if he could not "make it back" he went where he was supposed to go...

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