Warp Drive Vortex Formation in Wake Dark Matter Propulsion

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Re: Warp Drive Vortex Formation in Wake Dark Matter Propulsi

Post by I2haveseen » Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:28 am

The magnus effect? Working as a propultion mechanism for space travel? So let me see if I've got this (sorry I don't open non essential PDF's anymore. Please feel free to post all relevant text from such files) straight. The plan is to rotate (vector of rotation being the streering method) a sphererical space ship to such as rate, that the fabric of space/time starts to bend (more so where the force is generated (see below image)), thus createing the propultion. Is this the jist of it?
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Re: Warp Drive Vortex Formation in Wake Dark Matter Propulsi

Post by Myleso » Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:23 pm

Nice to see people interested in more research. I am posting this stuff to figure out the science, in my warp drive now blog post I quoted Wal Thornhill, I think it was him who said in a video interview if we followed electric universe model we could have light speed space travel. well it works with electric universe model and the mixture between hawking quantum physics, the author is trying to get this done with established physics, if you have better explanation then...it would be sweet to get the physics of light speed figured out, a vortex helps particles move almost at the speed of light with galaxies, black hole jets that interact with the universe spanning light years, sometimes hundreds of thousands of light years. Anyone heard andromeda and milky way will merge, and earth wont be damaged it will all merge into one massive galaxy both galaxies interacting across light years. some spiral galaxies that merge literally dance communicating across light years, faster than the speed of light.

i copied and pasted parts of page 1 of Vortex Formation in the Wake of Dark matter propulsion http://www.ias-spes.org/IASSPES_New/Papers/VFCP_R4.pdf
INTRODUCTION
In a recent paper (Pinheiro, 2010), the second author introduce the concept of electromagnetotoroid in astrophysics and its role in polar jets, showing that it represents the onset of Abraham's force driven by some external source. He further showed that the Abraham's force term is the analogue of the Magnus force, and thus represents the formation of vortex structures, of electromagnetic nature, in the fabric of space-time. This was shown to prove that major natural propulsion processes on Earth (e.g., birds, fishes) and in the Universe (e.g., Herbig-Haro objects as seen with blazars and blackholes) all have the same underlying nature at their base.

Over the last few years, the first author (Robertson, 2009a, 2009b and 2010) introduced a modified Chameleon model for use in propulsion derived from the Khoury and Weltman Chameleon Theory (2004a and 2004b). The Chameleon theory is a dark matter/energy theory that assumes forces from the change in densities in or about an object. In this paper, it will be shown that at high accelerations to near light speeds, the modified Chameleon model produces a vortex structure aft of a moving object in the Chameleon (dark matter/energy) field that has similarities to spacetime models as Warp-Drive and Wormholes.

Further, it will also be shown that the Chameleon vortex propulsion model is a natural extension of the interaction between Hawking and Unruh radiation, which provides a new roadmap toward new innovative space propulsion systems that are founded in both nature and theory.

there is a lot more read it yourself

Vortex Formation in the Wake of Dark matter propulsion paper presented the idea of a fifth force in nature. is anti gravity a force? Boyd Bushman was talking about something like that he worked at lockheed! the below text I copied and pasted from page 3 of the PDF http://www.ias-spes.org/IASSPES_New/Papers/VFCP_R4.pdf
The Chameleon Theory (Khoury and Weltman, 2004a and 2004b) represents a fifth force of nature. This fifth force is given as a Chameleon (i.e., hiding within known physics) scalar field tied to the density of matter threw a thin-shell concept or mechanism. Such an analogy gives the Chameleon field dark energy/dark matter like characteristics (see: Brax et. al., 2004a and 2004b; Robertson, 2010); fitting well within the cosmological expansion (see: Robertson, 2009a) and provides a mechanism to carry currents throughout the Universe. The foundation of the thin-shell mechanism was developed by concentrating on the static solution where time fluctuations are set to zero within and about a spherically symmetric and significantly large object of homogeneous density mρ, mass m and radius mR having a thin shell thickness mRΔ. The thin shell model is illustrated in Figure 3, where the thin-shell thickness << mmRRΔ and is shown large in the figures for clarity.
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Wal Thornhill has proposed (in agreement with earlier physicists) that the “aether” that pervades all space is what transmits gravity from one body to another, and the same “aether” transmits electromagnetic radiation such as light. If it is asked why gravity is much faster than light, one answer is to compare the transmission of sound waves with ripples on a pond. Sound waves are very much faster than the ripples. These are both mechanical wave motions however; whereas gravity and light waves are both, according to the Electric Universe paradigm, electrical in nature.

if more research was done who knows how long it would take to get to experiments with real technology? could be fast, if my first video got views like all the popular UFO videos and documentaries there could be more people researching and it might not take long before there could be open source light speed.

The Warp Drive Now Presentation was intended to present a clear path to the mechanics of Warp Drive. there are buzzing sounds in the video, it turns people away from researching, i wanted to turn it off at first, but my gut feeling told me to keep watching and then i made my post, updated it several times and I just made a new video (the first one not the one below that has buzzing sounds its the warp drive now presentation)


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the Warp Drive Now PowerPoint Presentation can be downloaded
http://www.ias-spes.org/IASSPES_New/Pap ... 20Now.pptx

Make sure everyone researches Fractal and Sacred Geometry.
http://www.geometrycode.com/sacred-geometry/
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The Universe is full of chaos, but factual in nature. From the viewpoint of the total Universe down to the smallest visible atomic scale there are similarities. The wakes and vortices seen aft of supersonic airplanes in the atmospheric density could be produced by spacecraft moving in the vacuum at near the speed of light. Such phenomena in the vacuum would of course be quantum effects that possible could lead to wakes and vortices that are Wormhole or Blackhole like effects.

A step toward this was presented by Glen A. Robertson in his paper Vortex Formation in the Wake of Dark Matter Propulsion (Preprint PDF) http://www.ias-spes.org/IASSPES_New/Papers/VFCP_R4.pdf

Re: Warp Drive Vortex Formation in Wake Dark Matter Propulsi

Post by I2haveseen » Thu Jun 21, 2012 8:19 am

Mmmm... K. Still no takers? Wot about the dreaded 'Dark matter'? It's the stuff holding the superstuctures togeter... The 'unseen' gravity keeping the cosmos 'knitted'........I say equliblibrum on a grand scale.... Same but bigger (think of of wave Vs a tsunami) with more pressure involved.

Re: Warp Drive Vortex Formation in Wake Dark Matter Propulsi

Post by I2haveseen » Thu Jun 21, 2012 7:39 am

What keeps electrons from caving/rotating in? Who knows?
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VaPush in equilibrium (yet another dodgy sketch):
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Re: Warp Drive Vortex Formation in Wake Dark Matter Propulsi

Post by I2haveseen » Thu Jun 21, 2012 7:22 am

VaPush explains the expanding universe (nother crappy sketch)....
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ie: The more space, the more VaPush pushes, then there's more space. So.........

Re: Warp Drive Vortex Formation in Wake Dark Matter Propulsi

Post by I2haveseen » Thu Jun 21, 2012 7:04 am

VaPush explains the Casimir effect....
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What is the Casimir effect:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_effect

Re: Warp Drive Vortex Formation in Wake Dark Matter Propulsi

Post by I2haveseen » Thu Jun 21, 2012 6:47 am

Forgot to add that the force (let's call it VaPush (short for VaccumePush))is expontional. ie: the more space, the more VaPush 'pushes'.........

Re: Warp Drive Vortex Formation in Wake Dark Matter Propulsi

Post by I2haveseen » Thu Jun 21, 2012 6:37 am

Cia212 wrote:How is this affected by the recent revelation that Dark Matter doesn't exist?

lol kills the whole concept. And it's not a new reverlation. DM has only ever been hopthisised to explain what's keeping galaxies (&stuff) together (ie: gravitational effects). Bit like that dark energy (why the universe is expadin)....... All hopythetical to explian the observations.... Boils down to 'our take' on gravity. We know it's wrong (2weak), but why? What's missin? All sorta reasons out there (from Higgs2Suzy) but none provable (yet....).

Still, I think our concept of G is wrong (Standard theroy say's that mass actracts mass, whjth a force that is proportional to their masses.... ie: The bigger the mass the bigger the pull/gravity).

Think of it this way: What is mass? If you said weight/moleclur weight/inertia/ect... you'll be right. But have a close look (go tiny: http://htwins.net/scale2/ )&all ya gunna see is space. In fact, 99.9% of mass is..... You guessed it, space.
I reccon the gravitational force (mainstream view) applied to matter is 'Arse about face'....... ie: it's not matter wantting to clump (gravity), It's space 'pushing' matter away/together. See cvrappy sketch below:

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Re: Warp Drive Vortex Formation in Wake Dark Matter Propulsi

Post by Cia212 » Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:59 am

How is this affected by the recent revelation that Dark Matter doesn't exist?

Re: Warp Drive Vortex Formation in Wake Dark Matter Propulsi

Post by Shaggietrip » Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:27 am

Fantastic post :flop:


I am not sure why others do not see this and comment. Most of this is beyond my knowledge but some does crest on things i have researched. I will have to revisit this thread and look into some subjects.


I can say that electrons can travel upon magnetic field lines. So in theory would work like a worm hole or star gate. But only be able to travel on the line itself. Trust me you could go any place mag lines connect or are through out the galaxy. The issue would be how to get ahold of that line and use it as a rail so to say. Yes there are more things to consider. But start with the single eloctron and try to get it to grab on and use a magnetic line as a rail first.



I did not see any explanation of how this warp drive would be achieved. Perhaps it is in the links provided. I only watched the video as of yet.




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