Illegal Immigrant Wins Lottery, Now Faces Deportation

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Re: Illegal Immigrant Wins Lottery, Now Faces Deportation

Post by 99socks » Thu Mar 08, 2012 5:47 am

middleman wrote:I was simply trying to point out that illegals are members of society in every way except the papers. They make a contribution, and excluding them is to give in to our most tribal and base notions.

The thing that is both the most shocking and completely unremarkable in this story is that the people he enlisted to help him were able to exploit him so completely because of his lack of status or legal recourse. If they'd thrown him a token couple of thousand, he probably never would have exposed them.

Now imagine that he didn't win the lottery, but rather just wanted an honest days work for an honest days pay...or that a serious crime was committed against one of his kids, and he was trying to decide to go to the cops or not.



It was his decision to come to the country, and his decision to play the lottery.

Re: Illegal Immigrant Wins Lottery, Now Faces Deportation

Post by Middleman » Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:46 am

I was simply trying to point out that illegals are members of society in every way except the papers. They make a contribution, and excluding them is to give in to our most tribal and base notions.

The thing that is both the most shocking and completely unremarkable in this story is that the people he enlisted to help him were able to exploit him so completely because of his lack of status or legal recourse. If they'd thrown him a token couple of thousand, he probably never would have exposed them.

Now imagine that he didn't win the lottery, but rather just wanted an honest days work for an honest days pay...or that a serious crime was committed against one of his kids, and he was trying to decide to go to the cops or not.

Re: Illegal Immigrant Wins Lottery, Now Faces Deportation

Post by Constabul » Wed Mar 07, 2012 11:49 pm

99socks wrote:
constabul wrote:
Not a chip, just knowing what i'm talking about. Unlike you. Opinion has no meaning when you do not understand the subject and the circumstances you are talking about, or comparing them to.




Lol... So, the opinions of millions of ignorant Obama voters from the last election has no meaning?

Hahaha... :cheers:

I'm glad someone found this video, because I was blown away when I first heard it on the radio too (not from Howard Stern).
[youtube]woBC5b3Ti0M&list=FLO_qV0upYMPV_eVhKK8dmvA&index=3&feature=plpp_video[/youtube]



Yeah, I don't like Howard Stern But that was funny as hell. (And scary).

Honestly i feel this comment
constabul wrote: just knowing what i'm talking about. Unlike you. Opinion has no meaning when you do not understand the subject and the circumstances you are talking about, or comparing them to.

Might come back to bite me in the ass when arguing over religion in the future :lol:


But really, Back to this whole situation here. ( not directed at you sock)
It is no different then me watching a 5 min video on the solar system, then developing a theory of how I think it works, While not having an understanding of Gravity.
Certainly, I'm entitled to my opinion. But when trying to contrast my opinion to other subject matter, to give an example of my opinion at work. When I fail to realize certain underlying factors. Just makes me look stupid to any i'm talking to, that do understand.
My ignorance is my fault, not the person who pointed it out.

Re: Illegal Immigrant Wins Lottery, Now Faces Deportation

Post by Constabul » Wed Mar 07, 2012 11:36 pm

middleman wrote:
constabul wrote:Well one, Those traveling to Vegas are doing so via passport, They are here legally and they are here for a specific time


Bullshit. Nobody asks for your passport or visa in a casino. You could have walked straight from Mexico, for all they know, or care.



Well, for one tgwusauk was drawing a conclusion to their opinion by comparing Vegas to a state run lottery.
tgwusauk wrote:imagine anyone on here going into Vegas dropping the jackpot and the casino says well you cant have it because you don't live in Vegas

People in general who are coming from outside the States flying into Vegas are doing so on a passport.
Of course they do not card everyone coming through the door, nor did i give the perceived notion that I did.
They are a private business (as i already wrote), they can serve anyone they choose or like, legals, illegals, citizens, foreigners..
besides the fact that, many hotels require identification to reserve a room, most casinos in Vegas are hotels too, and that to fly into the county, to Vegas one needs a passport..

Overall point being in context to the original conversation is, That a private business is not the same as a state run / sponsored Lottery.

So i'm not really sure what point you think you have, but in the context of the discussion of the thread, I have not posted bullshit of any sort.


middleman wrote:
constabul wrote:
A lottery is a state pool collected via citizens contributions, and in a couple cases are a grouping of states that tally into the same pool. Public money, for the public citizenry.


There are many, many studies on the subject of how much tax etc illegal immigrants pay, and they mostly agree that illegals pay plenty, even including those who don't pay income tax.

The IRS themselves suggest that 6 million "unauthorized immigrants" file individual state and federal income tax returns each year.
http://www.cbo.gov/publication/41645


I'm not talking about the studies, if we wanna go there look into how much money is sent back to Mexico.

There are plenty of Mexicans who are here on workers visas and have been for generations.
They pay into the system and benefit from it.

Wanna see where that "generated" income from illegals becomes completely invalid, is the health care costs to emergency medical rooms. To Health clinics, and numerous other agency's they take advantage of while here, that are designed and meant for citizens to utilize.
The list goes on and on, and what little they pay in taxes while buying grocery's, gas, or through a paycheck based on illegal (felony level) documents does not make up for the cost of them on a system that was not meant to support them.
I Honestly can not say what the most of them make a year, but i doubt in general it is near or over 50k, other then maybe by illegal drug trade, which that isn't taxed.
I mean we could really get deep into this including the MS-13 gangs and other like them that have spread into this country and are destroying numerous area with illegal drug trade and theft..

Other then that, jet answered you fairly well, AND it really has nothing to do with the conversation in general
Except for someone trying to make excuses as to why illegals who are committing numerous felonies in just be here, not counting the ones to continue to live here, should be allowed to do whatever the hell they want.

Not really a valid point or leg to stand on.


:flop:

Re: Illegal Immigrant Wins Lottery, Now Faces Deportation

Post by Jet17 » Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:22 pm

middleman wrote:
constabul wrote:Well one, Those traveling to Vegas are doing so via passport, They are here legally and they are here for a specific time


Bullshit. Nobody asks for your passport or visa in a casino. You could have walked straight from Mexico, for all they know, or care.

constabul wrote:
A lottery is a state pool collected via citizens contributions, and in a couple cases are a grouping of states that tally into the same pool. Public money, for the public citizenry.


There are many, many studies on the subject of how much tax etc illegal immigrants pay, and they mostly agree that illegals pay plenty, even including those who don't pay income tax.

The IRS themselves suggest that 6 million "unauthorized immigrants" file individual state and federal income tax returns each year.
http://www.cbo.gov/publication/41645


The same link you just posted also states this:

Most available studies conclude that the unauthorized population pays less in state and local
taxes than it costs state and local governments to provide services to that population.


it also goes on to say that those estimates have severe limitations.

it still goes to show that having fake credentials (a felony) and documents, and getting paid and expecting services that cost more to run than you are paying back in a country you are not only lying to live in but illegally occupying is something that EVERYONE shouldn't have to deal with.

It's like saying that someone who is incarcerated in a federal prison should be allowed to buy a lottery ticket and use his funds to purchase special rights in prison that aren't granted by the law.

This is a case of legality and morality.

from a legal sense, he doesn't deserve anything, if he illegally paid taxes for a country he doesn't live in and expect to get a legal pay back, .... well you see the conundrum in that certainly?

from a moral sense, he came over here illegally, infringed on other peoples tax services to pay for American citizens services (not illegal immigrants). illegally asked for a citizen to take the earnings under a proxy to avoid legal detention, then expects LEGAL redemption in a country which he illegally used for how may years?

money is a motive, not justice.

Filing a tax return under faulty information is also illegal, and since most filing are under the poverty line, guess what? they get a tremendous tax return. how wonderfully illegal for them.

that is wanting your cake and eating it too, you can't have both.

he knew what and why he was doing it, and now he expects those reasons he was avoiding to come to his aid. typical illegal immigrant mentality.

Re: Illegal Immigrant Wins Lottery, Now Faces Deportation

Post by Middleman » Wed Mar 07, 2012 8:35 pm

constabul wrote:Well one, Those traveling to Vegas are doing so via passport, They are here legally and they are here for a specific time


Bullshit. Nobody asks for your passport or visa in a casino. You could have walked straight from Mexico, for all they know, or care.

constabul wrote:
A lottery is a state pool collected via citizens contributions, and in a couple cases are a grouping of states that tally into the same pool. Public money, for the public citizenry.


There are many, many studies on the subject of how much tax etc illegal immigrants pay, and they mostly agree that illegals pay plenty, even including those who don't pay income tax.

The IRS themselves suggest that 6 million "unauthorized immigrants" file individual state and federal income tax returns each year.
http://www.cbo.gov/publication/41645

Re: Illegal Immigrant Wins Lottery, Now Faces Deportation

Post by Jet17 » Wed Mar 07, 2012 8:08 pm

ship him back, take the earnings and put in in a fund to build a wall across the american and mexican border.

Re: Illegal Immigrant Wins Lottery, Now Faces Deportation

Post by 99socks » Wed Mar 07, 2012 7:56 pm

constabul wrote:
Not a chip, just knowing what i'm talking about. Unlike you. Opinion has no meaning when you do not understand the subject and the circumstances you are talking about, or comparing them to.




Lol... So, the opinions of millions of ignorant Obama voters from the last election has no meaning?

Hahaha... :cheers:

I'm glad someone found this video, because I was blown away when I first heard it on the radio too (not from Howard Stern).
[youtube]woBC5b3Ti0M&list=FLO_qV0upYMPV_eVhKK8dmvA&index=3&feature=plpp_video[/youtube]

Re: Illegal Immigrant Wins Lottery, Now Faces Deportation

Post by Constabul » Wed Mar 07, 2012 4:55 pm

tgwusauk wrote:Do we have a deal then? you send ice here to check my status and I send you for a pyschriatic evualation. Trolling agent


Yes, I am a trolling agent because I point out your stupidity.
Must be a simplistic world you live in.

As to the "pyschriatic", As you put it, I'm not sure what that is.
Now I know what a psychiatric specialist does, and you may have been trying to spell that.
But If that is the case, you failed.

In any case it does not change the fact you do not know what you are talking about....... again.

Edit to add.
I do think it is rather telling, you wish to focus on a off handed comment about your legal status, verse the stupid comments you made.
:look:

Re: Illegal Immigrant Wins Lottery, Now Faces Deportation

Post by Tgwusauk » Wed Mar 07, 2012 7:44 am

constabul wrote:
tgwusauk wrote:You need to get the chip off your shoulder and try a little humility for once.
You can state your opinion and you disagree with mine that is fine, but calling people stupid and then questioning my legality, renders your opinions worthless.
You can send whoever you like to check my validity it don't scare me pal, I will tell you what, I will do a deal with you, you send Ice to check my status and I send you for a psychriatic evualation and we will see who stands valid, deal?
Keep on track with your agenda.


Not a chip, just knowing what i'm talking about. Unlike you. Opinion has no meaning when you do not understand the subject and the circumstances you are talking about, or comparing them to.

MY opinion is as i have stated, But the facts are that in a Public fund, generated for state purposes, such as with lotteries, the winning should go to citizens E.g residents of that state.

A private business such as a casino, money is generated through clientele.
And those coming from out of country are doing so legally. As already explained

No similarity what so ever. Other then the term gambling can be attributed to both, Which is where I guess you think it means it is the same... It is not.

Thus your opinion looks stupid. If you were actually paying attention you might would learn something, in which i am assisting your learning curve to even up a bit. I am actually helping you out.

You would like to render my opinions worthless because when presented with the facts( as I listed). It validates my opinions, only in as much I know the differences and can make an educated opinion on the subject, Unlike you, and when that happens it makes you look stupid.

As to your legal status, I assume you spent a lot of money and effort in coming to the states.
I can only assume you have done it through the proper channels. It does not bother you that someone else does it illegally? Which in the end belittles you and your effort, or are you the type that used a student visa, and have gone into hiding, retaining your previous status, thumbing your nose at America, while coming here to live?

Humility has nothing to do with anything in this conversation, other then you fishing for some ground to stand on.

Yes I'm sending ICE your way Lolz...
:P

Do we have a deal then? you send ice here to check my status and I send you for a pyschriatic evualation. Trolling agent

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