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Re: Humans are Not Meat Eaters our bodies Prove it

Post by Seriouscitizen » Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:19 am

Kaarmaa wrote:
Seriouscitizen wrote:Honestly I think that considering our history books being altered, the scientific/commercial/religious/social brainwashing that has been taken place for decades. It would be a hard thing to even be sure of what is 'natural'. I personally think that there has been to much manipulation on all our 'needs' including food to know.
Generally i think knowing what is natural, thinking it is either eating meat or not is a pretty bold statement. Also I personally believe that the choices we make effect our evolution.

Talking about not believing...I can't believe that this was written by the same person that post sometimes this strange stuff in the spirituality section!
Are there other people using the same account? :lol: :hugging:

Huh what are you talking about? I never post strange stuff. I am serious!














Is this your way of telling me i'm awesome? hmm ok accepted :cheers:

Re: Humans are Not Meat Eaters our bodies Prove it

Post by 99socks » Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:55 am




Oh God, that living half-frog trying to swim off the plate was just sad. :cry:

Re: Humans are Not Meat Eaters our bodies Prove it

Post by Sentientseed » Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:04 am

I tried the whole not eating meat thing and got all my protein source from (soybeans). Bad mistake. Testosterone dropped off the charts and I got horribly ill. Even though we are all similar...we are not the same. What may work for one...doesn't work for everyone. I made the mistake of overdoing that protein source and it backfired horribly.

Just a thought for curiosities' sake...which plant or animal products require more processing for us to consume? Do we merely process plant food to store it? Doesn't seem the whole likely story. Beyond storage, it seems to me the more processing required...the less we are adapt to consume it naturally. We adapted skills to process plant food so that we didn't die out from merely consuming what we could find and digest naturally without such skills. I'd like to ask vegans if they think we should have stayed in the tropics? If so...how long would it have taken for over population to become an issue to the point of stripping the tropics of available plant source material that didn't require processing to eat it? I tire of hearing how we are not naturally made to consume meat. There is much in the plant kingdom that we are not naturally (whatever that is supposed to mean anyway) made to eat. We ADAPT to survive...whether physiologically or mentally.


Location, location, location? How long would the Inuit of the not so distant past survive without meat? Should we also judge them by saying....hey if you were more humanely evolved...you'd realize how immoral meat eating is and trek yourselves to the tropics so you can survive solely on plant sources? Obviously only the more intellectually and humanely evolved chose to stay in the tropics. :hmmm:

Digressing a bit further....I've heard similar negative things said humorously about people living in desert areas. I maybe guilty of such myself. Even though there may be some truth to the "Hey if you don't wanna starve...get out of the desert", people still live there and have learned to adapt to survive.

I guess I will digress even further now. We could have a moral debate about feeding desert folk. Is it right to allow people to go hungry or is it right to keep feeding them? Does feeding them contributing to an every increasing hungry population? Should we teach them to create their own desert food and how to maintain themselves in such an area or advise them to get out of the desert? Do vegans/vegetarians feel they also are informing of a better way? Where do we draw the line between truthful/helpful advise and willfully ignorant and arrogant high horsing.


Maybe we are discussing the NOW factor and not what lead us to still be an existent species...but without adaptability...we'd never made it here to have this thread in the first place. Had we remained in the tropics and only eaten what we could consume naturally, we'd have either died out as a species due to ridding the area of available food from overpopulation or we'd adapted to limit population in order to maintain the food supply. I figure there may have been other possibilities as well. What occurred and what could have occurred is up to personal opinion as which would have been the better choice of action.

Bantering on about whether we evolved/were designed better to eat meat or plants seems more folly than anything. There are so many factors at play....especially when it comes to adaptability and survival...it almost borders on absurdity. Why argue an either or and not be satisfied that we are both....which makes us omnivores. To me....being an omnivore further insures chances for adaptability and survival. If you were a creature that only thrives on one type of food source....you are more likely to go extinct should that food source vanish.

It seems to me that moral dilemma quickly demises in "most" instance of immediate threat of survival. If a vegan/vegetarian found themselves in a situation where their only choice was to eat meat in order to survive...they'd either do so or perish. I would venture to guess most would eat meat. Those who didn't adapt and thereby perished....well they can be held in high esteem by those who did survive....or could be looked upon as idiots by the same. In such an instance, those who chose not to eat meat and those who chose to do so benefit posterity in a variety of ways.

I would venture to guess though that most of us meat eaters also consume vegetation of some sort. I would also venture to guess that "most" meat eaters do not deride the consumption of vegetation. The high horsing of many of the proponents of vegetation only is to me a very telling attribute. I have a distaste for such things...which is why I find myself in debate with may a Christian folk as well.

Now if the debate is about which is better for us healthwise in the NOW....seems to me that Socks had the better presentation.

Re: Humans are Not Meat Eaters our bodies Prove it

Post by Vulcanic » Fri Dec 14, 2012 1:18 am

I agree with all of you, being human we do have a choice, makes me wonder how we would of turned out if we lived on a earth that was stable perfect weather, no natural disasters just the perfect planet where everything we need was abundent, what path would we have taken or what would we have lost from not having that struggle that push of the strongest lives weakest dies, fight or flight, kill or be killed ect ect ??

Re: Humans are Not Meat Eaters our bodies Prove it

Post by Kaarmaa » Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:19 am

Seriouscitizen wrote:Honestly I think that considering our history books being altered, the scientific/commercial/religious/social brainwashing that has been taken place for decades. It would be a hard thing to even be sure of what is 'natural'. I personally think that there has been to much manipulation on all our 'needs' including food to know.
Generally i think knowing what is natural, thinking it is either eating meat or not is a pretty bold statement. Also I personally believe that the choices we make effect our evolution.

Talking about not believing...I can't believe that this was written by the same person that post sometimes this strange stuff in the spirituality section!
Are there other people using the same account? :lol: :hugging:

Re: Humans are Not Meat Eaters our bodies Prove it

Post by Kaarmaa » Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:14 am

theclarificator3 wrote:
Kaarmaa wrote:
Vulcanic wrote:i know your not a meat eater so don't take my posts wrong, in our day and age we have a choice and everyone is entitle to there choice :flop:

I was refering more to were we created or built to e or not (i love ancient history) almost all my post will have this ancient look to things :flop:


I don't take it wrong when people eat meat or say it's important for a balanced diet, what I can't stand is the people who feel like they had no real meal if there was no meat in it, for example. Go to bed without having any dinner and you'll feel what it is not to have a real meal!
Or those who "know!" that we are born meateaters (most of the time they "know" all the other things too)
I agree with what EnumbersMaj said about personal choice and also your response. We all have different needs so we should listen to our bodies, they "know" best. And let the fittest body win. Long life to evolution! :alien51:


Evolution process always give us surprises.
Or you believe Dinosaurs expected their fate?


I'm a non-believer.

Re: Humans are Not Meat Eaters our bodies Prove it

Post by theclarificator3 » Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:10 am

Kaarmaa wrote:
Vulcanic wrote:i know your not a meat eater so don't take my posts wrong, in our day and age we have a choice and everyone is entitle to there choice :flop:

I was refering more to were we created or built to e or not (i love ancient history) almost all my post will have this ancient look to things :flop:


I don't take it wrong when people eat meat or say it's important for a balanced diet, what I can't stand is the people who feel like they had no real meal if there was no meat in it, for example. Go to bed without having any dinner and you'll feel what it is not to have a real meal!
Or those who "know!" that we are born meateaters (most of the time they "know" all the other things too)
I agree with what EnumbersMaj said about personal choice and also your response. We all have different needs so we should listen to our bodies, they "know" best. And let the fittest body win. Long life to evolution! :alien51:


Evolution process always give us surprises.
Or you believe Dinosaurs expected their fate?

Re: Humans are Not Meat Eaters our bodies Prove it

Post by Seriouscitizen » Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:08 am

99socks wrote:This is scary....


You may have heard the ongoing debate about “complete” or “incomplete” protein and “food combining”, but be wary; these topics are steeped in misinformation and myth. Here’s what I’ve discovered thus far:

The term “complete protein” refers to foods that have all nine essential amino acids present in the correct proportion for our bodies to build protein with. The term “incomplete protein” refers to foods which have all the essential amino acids, but are simply low in one or more of them. This is called the “limiting amino acid”. While it’s true that most whole plant foods have one or more limiting amino acids and are thus “incomplete”, this shouldn’t send you running for a steak. Our bodies are brilliant, and every food that goes into your system must be broken apart and its nutrients absorbed. During the digestion process, amino acid chains from all sources are broken down and made ready for our bodies to use. If you’re eating a good mix of fruits, veggies, grains and legumes, then your body simply collects what it needs from the “amino soup” that your digestion system has absorbed. There are a growing number of vegan bodybuilders, ultra marathon runners and award-winning athletes out there to prove that meeting your protein needs on a plant-based diet is simple and successful.




We don't require amino acids in the same ratios as they are available in nature. While the body may be able to break down food and turn it into what it needs, the fact of the matter is, there are several amino acids that the body cannot make. This mistake gets overlooked so much in vegetarian circles... an amino acid is not an amino acid is not an amino acid.

And I am not convinced vegetarians are healthier people. There was a girl once in a communications class I had that was vegetarian and who chose to make her speech on vegetarianism and its "health benefits." Problem was, she was about 20 pounds under weight, had dark circles under bulging eyes, and dry, flaky skin. I really had to bite my tongue not to debunk her, in case she had some sort of eating disorder on the side that I may have made worse with my non-political correctness. :censored:

Anyhoot, I have lived with vegetarian roommates and have had vegetarian friends, and it all comes down to one thing: those who only cut meat out of their diets get sick; those who pay attention to their diets remain healthy. The short answer to all the vegetarian mumbo-jumbo is that vegetarianism appears to be healthier because those who are vegetarians are actually paying attention to their diets and their bodies as opposed to everyone else who is eating whatever and getting sick from it. Pick a diet, any diet- and in the short term, you will experience enormous health benefits. It doesn't matter if you go vegan or pick the Paleo diet- it's all the same. But over the long term, there just aren't many long-time "casual" vegetarians who have good health. If you have to pay that much attention to what you are eating and have to go through that much planning, then it (the diet) is obviously artificial! Ancient humans didn't pay attention to what they were eating- they ate what was available. Their health is attributed to variety (which got lost with the advent of agriculture).

The reason people today get sick from meat is simply because of our culture and how we raise and cook meat- it has nothing to do with the animals or meat itself. Fresh meat from animals on natural, organic diets, plenty of space and exercise, and without hormones and antibiotics cooked with fresh ingredients is a bazillion times better for you than insufficiently fermented soy-based products that jack up estrogen levels and cause malabsorption of other nutrients.

Natural folks... the solution is natural!

Interesting, i agree on the fact that conscious eating will always be beneficial disregarding the type of diet :think:

Aside from that

Honestly I think that considering our history books being altered, the scientific/commercial/religious/social brainwashing that has been taken place for decades. It would be a hard thing to even be sure of what is 'natural'. I personally think that there has been to much manipulation on all our 'needs' including food to know.

Generally i think knowing what is natural, thinking it is either eating meat or not is a pretty bold statement. Also I personally believe that the choices we make effect our evolution.

Re: Humans are Not Meat Eaters our bodies Prove it

Post by Kaarmaa » Fri Dec 14, 2012 12:02 am

Vulcanic wrote:i know your not a meat eater so don't take my posts wrong, in our day and age we have a choice and everyone is entitle to there choice :flop:

I was refering more to were we created or built to e or not (i love ancient history) almost all my post will have this ancient look to things :flop:


I don't take it wrong when people eat meat or say it's important for a balanced diet, what I can't stand is the people who feel like they had no real meal if there was no meat in it, for example. Go to bed without having any dinner and you'll feel what it is not to have a real meal!
Or those who "know!" that we are born meateaters (most of the time they "know" all the other things too)
I agree with what EnumbersMaj said about personal choice and also your response. We all have different needs so we should listen to our bodies, they "know" best. And let the fittest body win. Long life to evolution! :alien51:

Re: Humans are Not Meat Eaters our bodies Prove it

Post by theclarificator3 » Thu Dec 13, 2012 11:50 pm

Vulcanic wrote:bumps, I'm not trying to sound mean just trying to be bluntly honest. nature is not nice and when you try to say what were meant to do this and that, you should first picture yourself buttnaked with nothing and don't know anything modern and live like primal man/women lived. It wasn't a good time. and during winters when you couldn't grow food in your cold cave and your so hungry and your children are sooo hungry and a animal is right outside your cave will you then say ,,noooo i'm a plant eater, a true plant eater WOULD! but a human would not and kill and eat it fast just like a wolf.....


I just imagine a tsunami of cosmic radiation hitting the earth and changing DNA of everything, plants loosing their ability to fructify and developing sexual organs, and people worldwide jumping into new dimensions of a carnivore-only dieting, because the Universe play us an ironic joke.

Yes, the Universe is beautiful but is also dangerous. The more we pretend to embrace the Universe and the Planet in harmony the more we will see its angry side.

I agree with you there are instincts inside the human being that are simply natural, and they are there because ancient repetitive actions, not by coincidence. In such dramatic environment and moments where we lost everything, we are tested to the maximum: some people had to eat their fellows because there is no other way they can survive.

And what we would do when plants refuse to give seeds and fruits?
We will eat animal meat.
And what we would eat when there is no more animal meat?
We will eat each others meat.

The whole Universe is carnivorous.
A deadly tornado is carnivorous.
An earthquake, tsunami, everything.
Harmony is ephemeral.

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