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Re: Am I alone? My thoughts on religion.

Post by Rydher » Mon Apr 18, 2011 9:59 pm

In essence this allows you to be a Christian; without really being a christian and offending other religions by indicating they all "get the basics" right.


You are 100% right with this and I blame myself for not wording my post correctly. Instead of being:

1. I consider myself a Christian.

I should of said

1. My belief's began and are founded on Christianity.

@ eishethel Very interesting stuff there. :cheers:

Re: Am I alone? My thoughts on religion.

Post by Eishethel » Mon Apr 18, 2011 9:43 pm

rydher wrote:This site brings all kinds and I haven't come across anyone that thinks like I do. Is there anyone else? My spiritual journey has been a long one to this point and it's not over. I'd like to hear what others think and maybe offer their own views. You never know what someone will say that will cause me to rethink things. That being said, please don't just spout out irrational slams toward religion. There are plenty of threads for that.

Hi there. I've been having a journey a very, very, very long time myself. Why post here? Why not. Plus this place came up when I was trying to reasearch my mother. ^_^

Here is what I believe.

1. I consider myself a Christian.
2. I believe Jesus was the son of God, died for man's sins, and rose again.
3. Saturday is the Sabbath.
4. There is a hell, but it's not the eternity of fire.

1. I'm not a christian. I, in fact, had a vision where I was told aparently by yesheua ben yoseph himself that I was a Buddha. While I'm not sure I believe this entirely, eh. there you have it.
2. Lots of people are sons and daughters of gods, angels, other beings.
3. that's...well. Nice I suppose. I view all days as holy, intereting, and worthy of attempting to make life interesting.
4. *ponder* There is an underworld yes. I'm on staff there, along with a lot of other angels of the left hand path.

Of course there is more but it's a good start for this post. Now for some questions.

1. What about other religions? Do they miss out on eternal life with God? What if someone has never heard about Christianity and worships something else. Would God turn his back on them?
- A. I struggled with this one. It may sound contradictory to Christian teachings but I think no. If you look at religions around the world you can see at the core, all they basically ask you to do is be a good person. I know that's an over simplification of things.

to our view, it depends on the individual. Would such a spirit or being find it comforting to be able to roam the endless worlds at will, or would they prefer to hide behind their god? Would they wish to roam the worlds of others, or prefer to attempt to make their own?

one must also note that re-incarnation does happen, but not for all. It has, to our view, to do with certain choices made. I'm an angel, the child of an angel. I chose love over duty.

And into a world of tears and sadness I came, again and again.

2. What if they have been introduced to Christianity and turn their back to it, continuing to worship as they have been taught? Will God then turn his back on them?
- A. I believe religion is a very personal thing. While I am a Christian, I would like to think God can mean different things to different people. I find it hard to place God into this Christianity box and not let him out. God is everything, created all. I don't think how you interpret God is important. It's how you live your life and what you do with it.

I'm buddhist. Also, interestingly, I view the one god as simply the archetect of this particular dream/universe/experience. Not of all of them, and not a unique entity.

I've found nirvana. for me? A hall of golden fire, a connection to everywhere. for a trick, try meditating on a flame, and asking 'where have i seen this before' 'how is this like me?' 'where can I see this from another angle' perhaps. ^_^

3. What is hell? Is it the eternal pain and suffering most think of?
- A. No. I think the eternal lake of fire is reserved for Gods true enemies at the end. I think hell is the total absence of God. I compare it to taking the person you most love in this world and having them act as if you don't exist. How painful would it be if that person ignored your calls, never reached out to you, never mentioned you in conversation and if you ran into them, they weren't rude to you. They truly went about their business as if you weren't didn't. Now imagine God doing that to you. That would be hell.
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eh. I view the underworld as a transitory place for various entities to travel through on their way to a destination. Be they signers of the agreement to travel this world once, then be punished for anything they did which they agreed to not do, then they suffer their cost for each action or inaction, then move on. Those who chose the left hand path, wait, travel through a world again, and again, and again, till they realize they are truly real, and their actions affect those around them in very meaningfull and large ways.

But to remember, the path of endless rebirth is the path of endless suffering.


4. Organized religion. What of it?
- A. This may seem contradictory to the organization of Christianity, but I'm not naive and understand the need to place things in some type of order. But I think organized religion has great intentions, but man being man will always corrupt it. Religion seems to be such a complicated subject but I don't think it is. It's actually very simple.

intentions aside, one can model the entity of 'religion' as a living entity, perhaps not a self aware one though. It is, for lack of a better term, a 'ascension machine.' it exists to enlighten all those who use it, then vanish as it is no longer needed. But...some develop an awareness of this, and cling to this world, adding in more and more little rules and burrying the truths deep inside, and preventing them from becoming obsolete. In a sense, religions are afraid of dieing. Very ironic.


Eh. As to me? I'm a child of Eisheth. Being as she's described, among other things, as a fallen angel of prostitution (rather unflatteringly by those who do so, being as many religions are oh, so very uptight about intimacy) you're free to take my words as they are, or rambleings of a crazy girl. But plese, don't shoot the messenger? ^.^;

Re: Am I alone? My thoughts on religion.

Post by Nihilgeist » Mon Apr 18, 2011 1:27 pm

rydher wrote:This site brings all kinds and I haven't come across anyone that thinks like I do. Is there anyone else? My spiritual journey has been a long one to this point and it's not over. I'd like to hear what others think and maybe offer their own views. You never know what someone will say that will cause me to rethink things. That being said, please don't just spout out irrational slams toward religion. There are plenty of threads for that.

Here is what I believe.

1. I consider myself a Christian.
2. I believe Jesus was the son of God, died for man's sins, and rose again.
3. Saturday is the Sabbath.
4. There is a hell, but it's not the eternity of fire.

Of course there is more but it's a good start for this post. Now for some questions.

1. What about other religions? Do they miss out on eternal life with God? What if someone has never heard about Christianity and worships something else. Would God turn his back on them?
- A. I struggled with this one. It may sound contradictory to Christian teachings but I think no. If you look at religions around the world you can see at the core, all they basically ask you to do is be a good person. I know that's an over simplification of things.

2. What if they have been introduced to Christianity and turn their back to it, continuing to worship as they have been taught? Will God then turn his back on them?
- A. I believe religion is a very personal thing. While I am a Christian, I would like to think God can mean different things to different people. I find it hard to place God into this Christianity box and not let him out. God is everything, created all. I don't think how you interpret God is important. It's how you live your life and what you do with it.

3. What is hell? Is it the eternal pain and suffering most think of?
- A. No. I think the eternal lake of fire is reserved for Gods true enemies at the end. I think hell is the total absence of God. I compare it to taking the person you most love in this world and having them act as if you don't exist. How painful would it be if that person ignored your calls, never reached out to you, never mentioned you in conversation and if you ran into them, they weren't rude to you. They truly went about their business as if you weren't didn't. Now imagine God doing that to you. That would be hell.

4. Organized religion. What of it?
- A. This may seem contradictory to the organization of Christianity, but I'm not naive and understand the need to place things in some type of order. But I think organized religion has great intentions, but man being man will always corrupt it. Religion seems to be such a complicated subject but I don't think it is. It's actually very simple.


Questions for me? Disagree with something I said? Think something different? I'd like to hear it. :cheers:



Actually you sound like just about every other PC Christian "moderate" out there, which is odd since you're fairly right-wing/conservative, but then again many fiscal conservatives I've encountered are like this because they don't have the desire to follow a line of faith the way it was meant to be followed, "religiously". The minute you start getting into literal intepretations of bible quotes that tell a different tale, it doesn't fit their status quo and there's an excuse to be had on how they can believe in Jesus but not every part of the bible.

In essence this allows you to be a Christian; without really being a christian and offending other religions by indicating they all "get the basics" right.

Nothing more to say or explain really. Thanks for sharing.

Re: Am I alone? My thoughts on religion.

Post by Rydher » Mon Apr 18, 2011 1:06 pm

Awesome, awesome responses. Thank you all. Some responses are deeper than other and will take a few rereads after I drink my coffee.

Re: Am I alone? My thoughts on religion.

Post by Georgedragon » Mon Apr 18, 2011 11:53 am

sentientseed wrote:I once posed a question to Baptist Minister who has several degrees in religion as well as Hebrew, Greek, Philosophy, etc. He taught all these courses at a college I attended.

The question I asked him in front of our philosophy class was this....

Why are your a Christian?

He is a very very very intelligent man. Very charismatic. Very personable. Very humerous as well. Great teacher.

Yet his response was far from what I expected.

He talks some about bible verses and life...then he answers the question with this...

Because the bible tells me I shall see God. I will be given a new body and I shall see God. He patted his foot down whilst firmly gripping the bible and looking up at the ceiling as if already in the presence of some almighty force.

I found this an odd answers.

I asked him after he get's this reward of seeing god which he seeks...then what. He had no answer of any substance.



It's called Delusion.

Delusion replaces responsability when people choose religion instead of taking responsability for their own life, they choose to rely on their imaginary friend to take the responsability.

And because they now have no responsability, "you know it's God's work not mine, therefore i can do anything i like in God's name", including Lying, Cheating and even Mass Murder!

Re: Am I alone? My thoughts on religion.

Post by Pestcontrol » Mon Apr 18, 2011 6:22 am

lemsip wrote:hey pestcontrol i was once like you .until i got out of the rat race. And quoting a boyzone
song is
so wrong. I hope god can forgive you.


I am supposed to be on 25mg of olanzapine a day out of the rat race and they only make a 20 mg tablet, in fact hannibal lectur would only be on 5mg of that stuff lmao... that was after working for 45 years and having a breakdown... they would drug up most of the people on here given half the chance... to be honest i only take them two days before a blood test... i actually once asked them to lock me up in a secure facility and they said unless you kill somebody we cant help you. so the next time you read about a nut job running around a shopping mall chopping up shoppers you know why.

On the plus side i have total freedom, i can study 24/7 and they are paying me to do exactly what i want and once you get over the stigma of been classed as mad it really is fun lmao.
I have not seen a shrink in over three years we came to an agreement to avoid each other.

but after listening to that song on ytube i think i will book myself in :D

Re: Am I alone? My thoughts on religion.

Post by Sentientseed » Mon Apr 18, 2011 5:21 am

I once posed a question to Baptist Minister who has several degrees in religion as well as Hebrew, Greek, Philosophy, etc. He taught all these courses at a college I attended.

The question I asked him in front of our philosophy class was this....

Why are your a Christian?

He is a very very very intelligent man. Very charismatic. Very personable. Very humerous as well. Great teacher.

Yet his response was far from what I expected.

He talks some about bible verses and life...then he answers the question with this...

Because the bible tells me I shall see God. I will be given a new body and I shall see God. He patted his foot down whilst firmly gripping the bible and looking up at the ceiling as if already in the presence of some almighty force.

I found this an odd answers.

I asked him after he get's this reward of seeing god which he seeks...then what. He had no answer of any substance.

I then said...

So what happened to loving others and doing the "Lord's Work" because that is what is in your heart and not merely doing such things for a promise of reward?

To me...it may be great and all that good things get done regardless of intent...and as they say...even the road to hell can be paved with good intentions.

But, the intent of a person is where it begins and ends. It is within a person...not merely and outward appearance of such. It is all within. The intent of the heart transformations may be extracted from such tales as baptism, Christ death and resurrection, and including the tale of Hiram Abiff and the 3 degrees of masonry among many others.

I think this is something many in the religious paths forget or ignore...and moreso address the external pomp and pompous self righteousness. In doing so they never realize they never changed.....they are the same person in a different emperors new clothes.

Re: Am I alone? My thoughts on religion.

Post by Toxsick » Mon Apr 18, 2011 5:15 am

rydher wrote:1. What about other religions? Do they miss out on eternal life with God? What if someone has never heard about Christianity and worships something else. Would God turn his back on them?
:



That;s the big question isn't it? Do you not think there are people in other religions that have wondered that same exact question? that's what you people of religious belief fail to realize. . Every person in every other religion thinks about you and your religion the same way that you prob think about everyone else and their religion. Your not all in different boats, you're all in the same boat. Sitting in different parts of the same boat maybe, but the same boat none the less. When are you people going to realize this?

You also said "all they basically ask you to do is be a good person". Do you feel you need religion to do this? that without religion you would be a murderous, thieving shell of a person? I have said this before, people don't need a book to tell them what is right and wrong, especially when your an adult. I call it the law of DUH. Either you give a shit or you don't. You have a conscience or you don't. It's that simple. And if you really feel you need a book or a group to tell you these things, then i feel sorry for you.

And as far as organized religion....not necessary and does more harm then good. Let me ask you this. If you for some reason could never go to church again, do you think that would make any difference in your faith? in what you believe? People like to do things together, so is it natural that people who like to worship would come together to do so? Of course. The main problem I have with it is the power that such groups feel is necessary. Politically, monetarily,lawfully. Have to but their nose in everything in the name of what they believe in. They say this country "u.s.a." was founded on religious freedom. O.k, fine. But no where does it say that the religions that the founders were seeking freedom for, shall be forced upon or used as leverage on the other people who live in said country and it's laws and way of life.

It's like an e-mail i got from my aunt a while back, one of the ones that make rounds around the net....."it is said that 86% of American's believe in god, so why don't the other 14% SHUT THE HELL UP!" REALLY?? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!!!!

And PLEASE, let's all be HONEST. Religion basically started back when the cave men didn't know what the hell lightning was or an eclipse or storms were and their feeble minds thought it was something "supernatural" for lack of a better word. It started from ignorance and fear and continues the same. As intelligent as we like to think we are, were just as stupid. And as long as religion continues to be a part of our minds and influencing our way of life, we will NEVER reach the apex we need to reach in order to truly evolve.

"Science is the search for the truth, religion is accepting the answers that you are given." -Me

"I contend we are both atheists, I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
...Stephen F Roberts

Re: Am I alone? My thoughts on religion.

Post by Daemonfoe » Mon Apr 18, 2011 5:00 am

rydher wrote:This site brings all kinds and I haven't come across anyone that thinks like I do. Is there anyone else? My spiritual journey has been a long one to this point and it's not over. I'd like to hear what others think and maybe offer their own views. You never know what someone will say that will cause me to rethink things. That being said, please don't just spout out irrational slams toward religion. There are plenty of threads for that.

Here is what I believe.

1. I consider myself a Christian.
2. I believe Jesus was the son of God, died for man's sins, and rose again.
3. Saturday is the Sabbath.
4. There is a hell, but it's not the eternity of fire.

Of course there is more but it's a good start for this post. Now for some questions.

1. What about other religions? Do they miss out on eternal life with God? What if someone has never heard about Christianity and worships something else. Would God turn his back on them?
- A. I struggled with this one. It may sound contradictory to Christian teachings but I think no. If you look at religions around the world you can see at the core, all they basically ask you to do is be a good person. I know that's an over simplification of things.

2. What if they have been introduced to Christianity and turn their back to it, continuing to worship as they have been taught? Will God then turn his back on them?
- A. I believe religion is a very personal thing. While I am a Christian, I would like to think God can mean different things to different people. I find it hard to place God into this Christianity box and not let him out. God is everything, created all. I don't think how you interpret God is important. It's how you live your life and what you do with it.

3. What is hell? Is it the eternal pain and suffering most think of?
- A. No. I think the eternal lake of fire is reserved for Gods true enemies at the end. I think hell is the total absence of God. I compare it to taking the person you most love in this world and having them act as if you don't exist. How painful would it be if that person ignored your calls, never reached out to you, never mentioned you in conversation and if you ran into them, they weren't rude to you. They truly went about their business as if you weren't didn't. Now imagine God doing that to you. That would be hell.

4. Organized religion. What of it?
- A. This may seem contradictory to the organization of Christianity, but I'm not naive and understand the need to place things in some type of order. But I think organized religion has great intentions, but man being man will always corrupt it. Religion seems to be such a complicated subject but I don't think it is. It's actually very simple.


Questions for me? Disagree with something I said? Think something different? I'd like to hear it. :cheers:


1. I think the requirement to this one is "Accepting Christ". So it depends how literal you take it. This could be specifically believing and accepting Jesus Christ, or if taken as non-literally as possible, it could mean "Accepting that we are all one."

2. This can be answered with #1.

3. The Christian idea of hell is ridiculous to me. Sure you can take this literally, but if anything like it existed I think it would be more like if you had a soul or energy or something that allows you to carry on as an individual entity after death, and you rejected or could not accept the reality of death when your body dies, then you could become locked in a state of fear or panic where your worst fears manifest around you and inside you. I think this would be very similar to a very bad psychedelic trip. You could get over this if your soul has the capability to accept and forgive and regret enough to learn and become wise enough to not create this hell around yourself (and others, who are basically yourself).

4. All organized religion, including Christianity are based on assumptions. Sure this is debatable, but at this point in time, everything about religion is complete speculation. Personally I think it's foolish to believe something that can't be proven just because it feels right or sounds good, but to some people it is a comfort blanket. In my opinion, life isn't about making a spiritual guess, and hoping you're right in the end. Life is simply about doing what you feel is right, and being able to live with yourself, because if you can't live with yourself, then who can? For example, if when you die, if you were to merge with other souls, and you didn't even like yourself, then how would the rest of the souls accept you? This is just an example, but if you believe that we are all one, then at one point, in the past or future, you will have experienced existence not as an individual, but as a part of that whole.

Re: Am I alone? My thoughts on religion.

Post by Ftt0024 » Mon Apr 18, 2011 4:43 am

lahlaos wrote:
rydher wrote:This site brings all kinds and I haven't come across anyone that thinks like I do. Is there anyone else? My spiritual journey has been a long one to this point and it's not over. I'd like to hear what others think and maybe offer their own views. You never know what someone will say that will cause me to rethink things. That being said, please don't just spout out irrational slams toward religion. There are plenty of threads for that.

Here is what I believe.

1. I consider myself a Christian.
2. I believe Jesus was the son of God, died for man's sins, and rose again.
3. Saturday is the Sabbath.
4. There is a hell, but it's not the eternity of fire.

Of course there is more but it's a good start for this post. Now for some questions.

1. What about other religions? Do they miss out on eternal life with God? What if someone has never heard about Christianity and worships something else. Would God turn his back on them?
- A. I struggled with this one. It may sound contradictory to Christian teachings but I think no. If you look at religions around the world you can see at the core, all they basically ask you to do is be a good person. I know that's an over simplification of things.

2. What if they have been introduced to Christianity and turn their back to it, continuing to worship as they have been taught? Will God then turn his back on them?
- A. I believe religion is a very personal thing. While I am a Christian, I would like to think God can mean different things to different people. I find it hard to place God into this Christianity box and not let him out. God is everything, created all. I don't think how you interpret God is important. It's how you live your life and what you do with it.

3. What is hell? Is it the eternal pain and suffering most think of?
- A. No. I think the eternal lake of fire is reserved for Gods true enemies at the end. I think hell is the total absence of God. I compare it to taking the person you most love in this world and having them act as if you don't exist. How painful would it be if that person ignored your calls, never reached out to you, never mentioned you in conversation and if you ran into them, they weren't rude to you. They truly went about their business as if you weren't didn't. Now imagine God doing that to you. That would be hell.

4. Organized religion. What of it?
- A. This may seem contradictory to the organization of Christianity, but I'm not naive and understand the need to place things in some type of order. But I think organized religion has great intentions, but man being man will always corrupt it. Religion seems to be such a complicated subject but I don't think it is. It's actually very simple.


Questions for me? Disagree with something I said? Think something different? I'd like to hear it. :cheers:


I think that was really good and I agree with everything you said, I think things are very simple and I think there is a saviour from whatever it is that is coming and I think the religious books and teachings are all good in meaning, but over-complicated by man and words...I think 'be good' is as simple as that.

I think people are lost.....so many things abuzz, there is a foul air, and I want to find them who watch so they will take me away...


People are lost, and you are not going to find the answers by going to church, reading the bible, and giving your life to "god." If you want the answers then go find them! The truth is out there.

Research religion and where it came from. Christianity was not the first religion nor was it even close. See the bible for it's true meaning, which is filled with symbolic messages and metaphors. Many stories in the bible, like the flood, were already written about thousands of years before hand, including the creation of Adam. In the epic of creation (the Sumerians description of humans origins) they explain how the first man was genetically created and how is name was Adamu. See the similarities. Adam -- Adamu...... The epic of creation is VERY similar to the Book of Genesis. Many stories in the bible are based off true events, but should not be considered actual history. If you want the truth then you need to go back further in history and learn about the very first civilization on this planet called the Sumerians. Their land which they called Sumer, was located in Mesopotamia which is modern day Iraq.

There is a reason why you don't learn about the Sumerian's in school. You learn about the Egyptians, Mayans, Romans, Greeks, and every other civilization in history except Sumer.

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