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Re: Is FUSIAM the Answer or Will MAIBUS Rule the World?

Post by Lowsix » Wed Jul 08, 2009 12:59 am

robwokup wrote:LowSix, as caring fellow human being,put down the bong, evacuate your parents basement, find a female, and go to work tomorrow. If I was your mom, I wouldn't put up with your laziness. I'm sorry, perhaps it's the med's.


Yeah no shit..by all means, please keep taking them.

Re: Is FUSIAM the Answer or Will MAIBUS Rule the World?

Post by Robwokup » Wed Jul 08, 2009 12:41 am

LowSix, as caring fellow human being,put down the bong, evacuate your parents basement, find a female, and go to work tomorrow. If I was your mom, I wouldn't put up with your laziness. I'm sorry, perhaps it's the med's.

Re: Is FUSIAM the Answer or Will MAIBUS Rule the World?

Post by 999plan » Wed Jul 08, 2009 12:24 am

cornbread714 wrote:Well, I'm glad you're not mad anymore.

My point about the 999 plan is basically that you are still advocating more total man-hours per year.
Fact or not? Unless I misunderstood, this is what you clearly stated.

In another recent post, you stated that a worker would achieve more "virtual" free time.

That's snake oil. You can't work more hours AND have more free time. Period.

Now, if you consider the savings in transportation time and expense for those who have to commute, then there is a benefit, but not substantially different than the 10 hour-a-day, 4- day work week that is already somewhat common and does make some sense.

My biggest problem with the whole plan is that, no matter how you slice it, you are asking workers to put in more hours annually and that does not appeal to me at all.

I've found that anything over 20 hours a week (on the average) is extremely detrimental towards health and spiritual development. I think people are already over-worked and locked into this idea that everyone has to work for someone else to begin with.

Another question. Let's say your plan was implemented by a corporation.
Would there be a directly proportional pay increase corresponding to the extra hours worked? In other words, would the employees still make effectively the same amount per hour?
If so, would that not offset the supposed increase in productivity by increasing labor costs?

And if not, how would you convince the workers to put in so many more hours?

Snake oil. Plain and simple.



Unless it's passed by government legislation that 9 hours or even 8.66 hours becomes the new standard, obviously it will still be considered overtime. The 9 hrs equates to 2160 hrs annually whereas the the 8.66 hrs equates exactly to the same amount we work now, 2080 hours.

However, that's exactly what I'm advocating, a paradigm shift. A federally-driven "push" to revise our labor laws. It's not because I want people to work more, that's the misconception, I just think we can work more efficiently. Actually, I'm promoting a schedule that allows a person to work 27 hours (3 consecutive days), rest for 24 hours, and then work another 27 hours. Although I don't have the proof for this yet, I believe that one day rest break is what can potentially really sell this PLAN. If you have the capability, try it out for yourself. Break things out as I said in 9-day increments over the next few weeks. I think you might be pleasantly surprised. In fact, you might appreciate commuting in on a weekend day where traffic might be lighter and having off on those seemingly terrible heavy traffic days. Of course, you may have an employer to deal with, but tell them what you are doing and why. Call it an experiment or whatever ... who knows, he might be very interested in the results.

So for argument sake, let's just say there is no law change and everyone continues to work 8-hr days for a total of 1920 hrs annually. That's fine by me. I believe the the efficiency of the schedule could potentially improve the "net" productivity. These are all unknowns that have yet to be explored, but my point is, why not explore them? We have nothing to lose from my perspective.

:cheers: :sunny:
"999"

Re: Is FUSIAM the Answer or Will MAIBUS Rule the World?

Post by Cornbread714 » Tue Jul 07, 2009 11:51 pm

Well, I'm glad you're not mad anymore.

My point about the 999 plan is basically that you are still advocating more total man-hours per year.
Fact or not? Unless I misunderstood, this is what you clearly stated.

In another recent post, you stated that a worker would achieve more "virtual" free time.

That's snake oil. You can't work more hours AND have more free time. Period.

Now, if you consider the savings in transportation time and expense for those who have to commute, then there is a benefit, but not substantially different than the 10 hour-a-day, 4- day work week that is already somewhat common and does make some sense.

My biggest problem with the whole plan is that, no matter how you slice it, you are asking workers to put in more hours annually and that does not appeal to me at all.

I've found that anything over 20 hours a week (on the average) is extremely detrimental towards health and spiritual development. I think people are already over-worked and locked into this idea that everyone has to work for someone else to begin with.

Another question. Let's say your plan was implemented by a corporation.
Would there be a directly proportional pay increase corresponding to the extra hours worked? In other words, would the employees still make effectively the same amount per hour?
If so, would that not offset the supposed increase in productivity by increasing labor costs?

And if not, how would you convince the workers to put in so many more hours?

Snake oil. Plain and simple.

Re: Is FUSIAM the Answer or Will MAIBUS Rule the World?

Post by 999plan » Tue Jul 07, 2009 10:51 pm

cornbread714 wrote:So, Bruce, is my feedback beneath comment?

Did you read my above post?


Absolutely not, Corn, your feedback is important, and yes, I read it. Just getting back to it. Sorry, for grouping everyone as "atheistic zealots" or something like that ... you're right, that was uncharacteristically weak of me. Your Faith is what it is!

I imagine even snake oil has a purpose ... oh wait, that's the point. I get it. No, I don't believe this is snake oil because all I'm doing is taking the 365-day calendar and just dividing it up differently. By doing this, people will actually be commuting less days to work (yielding the 20 extra off days), but they will just be working a slightly longer day to 9-hrs. Since people currently work 52 weeks at 40 hrs = 2080 hrs, I'm just taking the inverse where it would now be 40 weeks at 52 hours = 2080 hrs. This approach means that people would just need to work 8.66 hrs daily across the 6 of 9 days. Both approaches are numerically equivalent in terms of total hours to 2080 hrs. So now if we marginally increase the weekly figure to 54 hours which evenly divisible into 6, that yields a proposed 9-hr day. By doing this I'm saying we are automatically creating a 4% increase in productivity in terms of GDP. Obviously, where this might not work as well is where facilities work an around-the-clock schedule. even then though, I believe it would have some benefits with cross-over training and the like.

So now if you are potentially commuting less, you're saving on usage of petrochemical fuels; that's why I'm calling this an energy solution in part. Energy usage might still increase for electricity and the like to keep your facilities open the extra hour or so, but it would be energy provided by your utility provider; not petro-chem usage. Let's just say conservatively, we only save 2% in our overall petro-chemical fuel footprint, that's still a huge hit, enough right there to potentially warrant this kind of transition.

Now if you look at the schedule (not the calendar, that potential Phase comes later), there are other potential benefits including longer vacations, a virtual extra holiday each and every 9 day period, 2 extra drinking or recreational nights out per "week" ... LOL, potential educational benefits, etc. It is my belief that a schedule like this would drive people to be more efficient across 3-day periods of consecutive days vs. our current 5 days. Thereby, potentially driving up GDP productivity even more. I also believe that we won't miss working the extra 2/3's of an hour or the proposed 1 hour as long as it has definite payback. Many companies already have their staff working 9 or more hours per day so this is no different. This just distributes the "WHEN" we work a little differently, that's all.

I could go on and on as you can see and would like to if you're interested, but I think you get the general jist of why this is not a PLAN that can be easily dismissed as some may have made it out to be ... snake oil or some resecrusion ad ... I seriously don't think so.

That's my point, tackle me on the Pros and Cons; not the approach or lack there of. If people will do that, I have absolutely no problem sharing everything I have to offer.

:cheers: :sunny:

"999"

Re: FUSIAM Vs. MAIBUS

Post by Flecktarn » Tue Jul 07, 2009 10:07 pm

999plan wrote:
flecktarn wrote:mate as i pointed out the uk companys to you that tried this type of concept,yet you still ignored the info this was tried in the 90s it did not work and if the mayor of la liked it why are they not using it,the you blow you whole plan by saying its your calling ,come on ,you said my out of the box thinking was comfortable and antiquated yet its your calling to do this for religion ,dont be blinkered check for your self i gave you that info ,and like i said if its that great we would all be using it ,pitch your plans to whoever but be prepaired for knockbacks and dont get stroppy with what you hear listen what info you are given ,check it out ,then form a plan before steamrollering it on dtv,it seems like whatever anyone say to you unless its praise you cant take it ,well welcome to the real world


On the contrary Fleck, I appreciated you providing the references ... I just couldn't find anything about them trying it or a nine day approach so without supporting proof, I've just concluded it's colorful and subjective opinions on your part. Trust me, I'm ready to present this to anyone who will objectively listen, and I in turn will certainly give them respect with a rebuttal.

By the way, congratulations, you're probably the one who has come the closest to actually articulating a counter-position on my PLAN itself, albeit, your references are foggy without supporting data. But then, I know you say getting the data is my responsibility. That of course is true, initially. But then, I know it will work, just people aren't yet using it. But now when it's your rebuttal, my friend, producing that proof lies with you.

Once again, I will hold my tongue and tolerate your anti-religious banter in the interest of arriving at a little more quantitative and even qualitative substance (thanks Ph0enix, mushroom, Corn, lainn, etc.).

:cheers:
"999"

covered in the uk press as the unions kicked off about it ,its there to find it was big news for the companys involved ,and as you have found out you need a thick skin on web sites like this we all get nocked and poked yet it produces pages of response ,look at the response your getting, me saying it wont work has got you attention and people to read your posts so me also nocking religion gets people talking and the threads get bigger in the end were all winners as we all get to take part in debateing our views ,and i dont hold any grudges against anyone as lifes to short,think of me as you will ,i do tend to speak my mind in person or via text but atleast you know were i stand, :D

Re: Is FUSIAM the Answer or Will MAIBUS Rule the World?

Post by Mushroom » Tue Jul 07, 2009 10:03 pm

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Re: Is FUSIAM the Answer or Will MAIBUS Rule the World?

Post by Cornbread714 » Tue Jul 07, 2009 9:53 pm

So, Bruce, is my feedback beneath comment?

Did you read my above post?

Re: FUSIAM Vs. MAIBUS

Post by 999plan » Tue Jul 07, 2009 9:49 pm

flecktarn wrote:mate as i pointed out the uk companys to you that tried this type of concept,yet you still ignored the info this was tried in the 90s it did not work and if the mayor of la liked it why are they not using it,the you blow you whole plan by saying its your calling ,come on ,you said my out of the box thinking was comfortable and antiquated yet its your calling to do this for religion ,dont be blinkered check for your self i gave you that info ,and like i said if its that great we would all be using it ,pitch your plans to whoever but be prepaired for knockbacks and dont get stroppy with what you hear listen what info you are given ,check it out ,then form a plan before steamrollering it on dtv,it seems like whatever anyone say to you unless its praise you cant take it ,well welcome to the real world


On the contrary Fleck, I appreciated you providing the references ... I just couldn't find anything about them trying it or a nine day approach so without supporting proof, I've just concluded it's colorful and subjective opinions on your part. Trust me, I'm ready to present this to anyone who will objectively listen, and I in turn will certainly give them respect with a rebuttal.

By the way, congratulations, you're probably the one who has come the closest to actually articulating a counter-position on my PLAN itself, albeit, your references are foggy without supporting data. But then, I know you say getting the data is my responsibility. That of course is true, initially. But then, I know it will work, just people aren't yet using it. But now when it's your rebuttal, my friend, producing that proof lies with you.

Once again, I will hold my tongue and tolerate your anti-religious banter in the interest of arriving at a little more quantitative and even qualitative substance (thanks Ph0enix, mushroom, Corn, lainn, etc.).

:cheers:
"999"

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