How can an atheist believe in ghosts?

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Re: How can an atheist believe in ghosts?

Post by Arcadian » Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:52 pm

How about you reading this article :flop

http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4179


I went trough it. It didn't convince me. It is picky and cynical. It ignores certain aspects that would be hard to debunk.

For instance it assumes often things. eg. the room wasn't checked before and after the seances. The whristbands were not checked whether they were the original ones (that could not be stripped off withouth a loud noise). It assumed the investigators were idiots.

It ignored that the light entities went trough solid objects with a sound in sync. Hard to do that with a laserpointer. Also, appearently the lights were white, laserpointers are red, sometimes green, but never white. Furthermore, a point of a laser can not manifest in mid air!!!

It claims no video footage was taken, yet original footage is in the documentary, clearly labeled as such.

Not one word about the newspaper that appeared out of nowhere and was scientificly tested to be genuine, 1944 war press, but new as if it was from yesterday. (besides, that story in the newspaper is a whole subject by its own!)

The films contained writings across the full length, one would to have to open it, unroll it, project the writing on it, roll it up again, glue evefything in place again and achieve an untouched, new look. Additionally, the guy who handled the film didn't seem to be a fool. If he said he was absolutely convinced that he took out the film that he put in then he must have used a secret mark or something.

The mediums used to speak about topics they couldn't know by their own, such as celestial bodies on a top notch science level. Also they didn't look like some desperate Con people to me.

But most important to me: the 3 professors and doctors seemed plausible, convinced and esp. not like idiots.

I have to say tho, the radio guy and the tape recorder mum didn't convince me.






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Re: How can an atheist believe in ghosts?

Post by DmoniX_The_Destroyer » Sun Aug 23, 2015 2:08 pm

"How can an atheist believe in ghosts?"


I don't......


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Re: How can an atheist believe in ghosts?

Post by KittyKat » Sun Aug 23, 2015 12:31 pm

If ghosts were real Youtube would be filled with ghost video. "America's Funniest Home ghosts" would be the show.

Sorry.

Re: How can an atheist believe in ghosts?

Post by Fatdogmendoza » Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:46 am

Arcadian wrote:
Rachelwordsmith wrote:I don't believe in anything, I only accept what has evidence. I don't know any atheists that think ghost are real. I don't discount there may be aspects of physics we don't understand, multi verse projection perhaps? But where is the beef? Prove it, test it, show me results.


Will you watch at least the first of these, and not ignorantly skip it after 3 Minutes?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQvQ_WTtdHk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mti3oWINgY0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frJpThIims8


Ive seen them :flop:


How about you reading this article :flop


http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4179

Re: How can an atheist believe in ghosts?

Post by Arcadian » Sun Aug 23, 2015 12:19 am

Rachelwordsmith wrote:I don't believe in anything, I only accept what has evidence. I don't know any atheists that think ghost are real. I don't discount there may be aspects of physics we don't understand, multi verse projection perhaps? But where is the beef? Prove it, test it, show me results.


Will you watch at least the first of these, and not ignorantly skip it after 3 Minutes?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQvQ_WTtdHk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mti3oWINgY0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frJpThIims8

Re: How can an atheist believe in ghosts?

Post by bSIRIUS » Sat Aug 22, 2015 7:47 pm

I don't see why not,let's say for example,the universe sprang into existence due to maths alone,you know the one,billions and zillions of failed universes but this one works and your lucky enough to be in it.
welllll,could the ghost phenomenon just be part of the make-up of this universe,reincarnation,side-universerses or (spiwit)planes?No reason to bundle up all the strange and 'spiritual' or just damn weird into a belief into an all powerful being at all if you ask me.So to the OP quite easily.

:cheers:

Re: How can an atheist believe in ghosts?

Post by !3.4.D_!3.1.0.0.D » Sat Aug 22, 2015 2:46 pm

I personally lean toward this theory that human thoughts and emotions contain a certain amount of force, which can be described as "psychic energy" and even after death this psychic energy continues to exist, if you will. Individual's thoughts, memories and emotions like fear, worry, pain, hatred, love, happiness etc.., his/her inner world or subconscious, will affect the outside world even (and at greater level) after he/she dies and his/her consciousness link with physical world is removed. In other words, what ghosts are, is your mind perceiving the psychic energy of an individual. Thus there's no need for a "god" to explain the ghost phenomenon if you go by this theory.
This is the belief that influenced many Japanese horror films and other fictional works. "The Ring", "Dark Water" and "The Grudge" for example. I hope I was being clear and could get my point across cause as you may have noticed, English is not my native language.

Re: How can an atheist believe in ghosts?

Post by Rachelwordsmith » Sat Aug 22, 2015 2:17 pm

I don't believe in anything, I only accept what has evidence. I don't know any atheists that think ghost are real. I don't discount there may be aspects of physics we don't understand, multi verse projection perhaps? But where is the beef? Prove it, test it, show me results.

Re: How can an atheist believe in ghosts?

Post by Arcadian » Sat Aug 22, 2015 1:35 pm

It is your freedom to think so. But let me tell you that you're wrong in how you think people see "god". It is your own concept that unsurprisingly didn't work. Many people see themselfs abandoned by the yahwe god and yet they are convinced by evidence and personal experience, that the supernatural exists. The belief in ghosts and the afterlife is no less scientific than the belief in the existence of gravity. There are entities that we can communicate with by thoughts, and they can enter a humans mind and suggest things. At least some of them enjoy to help and bring people together, based on their needs and desires. Whether they should be called ghosts or souls is hard to say.

However, the assumption that only because catholizism has it wrong then there is nothing supernatural at all, is in my opinion the lowest level of human development. It is the assumption that the existence of flesh is the sole purpose of life, which is very poor.

I have lost my belief at some point, became atheist, only to realize that this wasn't it eighter. But, however, it's everyones free choice.

Re: How can an atheist believe in ghosts?

Post by aaxiss » Sat Aug 22, 2015 8:37 am

Can't believe how much some people get sucked into religious bs. Christianity from what I have read is based on a bunch of older plagerized stories. And it's funny most people when asked why they believe what they do they 99% of the time say " that's how I was brought up " or " I've always believed as far as I can remember".

To me god is like an invisible friend that some people just don't outgrow, they need the safety of someone always being there to protect them and needing to know (why where here?), (what's it all mean) etc.

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