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Re: Skeptic's 9 minutes in Heaven

Post by Ishumble » Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:47 am

The peace and bright light experienced by Ben at age 4


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Re: Skeptic's 9 minutes in Heaven

Post by Ishumble » Wed Oct 30, 2013 1:34 am

Constabul wrote:
Truthseekerx wrote:It's just fear of death. Understandable really, since a lot of deaths are painful. And we have all experienced a LOT of deaths.


This is what you presume it to be, just as easily as I can say that individuals who gravitate towards an 'afterlife' are scared to let go of what they are, what they have learned, and the people they love.
Is the Ego transcendent?
Or is it a matter of patterns that fit the vessel they are in at the time manifested till the product of decay results in a new transference /manifestation. Without previous structure/pattern intact(ego).

You presume fear, due to it fitting the mold of the box you have constructed for your self. I can say I personally do not know, an knowingly say the same of any truly honest person.
I observe patterns in nature, this give me clues to form opinion of how I see things, but it is only an opinion.
The mind can trick us into all sorts of comfort zones, an afterlife with a 'creator' is no less a mind trick.
It is a taught belief structure that does not manifest uniformly in human.
A desire to continue on in some capacity that is more then what we see.
That is the true fear.

Yes we experience LOTS of deaths, to live others creatures, 'creations' (if you will) must die.
We watch people we love disappear as we ourselves grow older, and eventually die.

To know Death, is to realize what is living.
Because at some point for us all it (life) will be gone.

My view stands this lady is out to sell a book, it is a bs story, but one many can relate to and empathize with to give them hope. Enjoy that, buy the book, it is your choice. I see no difference here then many others we see come, along jump into a genre, and use it to their benefit.
2012- end of the wolrd
Nibiru- again end of the world
NWO- various slants
UFOs- debatable (and i have seen what i would call UFOs But is a wide topic/book base)
Lizard people- yadda yadda
Etc
I think you may get the gist.


What about this young girl?


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Re: Skeptic's 9 minutes in Heaven

Post by Truthseekerx » Wed Oct 30, 2013 1:05 am

Spock wrote:Are you in the states Truthseeker?

The Division of Perceptual Studies - School of Medicine at the University of Virginia

http://www.medicine.virginia.edu/clinical/departments/psychiatry/sections/cspp/dops/



I choose to remain as anonymous as possible, thanks. I have a good life and I'd like it to remain that way.

The only person I ever felt compelled to prove my ability to was my spouse. As mentioned, in the beginning of my learning, I shook my body too hard in order to locate it when I was far from it. This shaking was interpreted by my spouse as epilepsy. To ease my spouse's concerns, I agreed to a test outlined by my spouse and I promised that the shaking would not occur again.

Re: Skeptic's 9 minutes in Heaven

Post by pushtone » Wed Oct 30, 2013 12:48 am

out of body - life goes on while one aimlessly wanders around it :wink:


cheers.

% of books takings goes to research into xxxxxxxxxxxxx - or just her pocket ?

Re: Skeptic's 9 minutes in Heaven

Post by Spock » Wed Oct 30, 2013 12:15 am

There are some tests that have been set up in ERs, Trauma Centers and ICUs, where objects are purposely placed on top of shelves, etc., in an attempt to validate some of the NDE, OBE stories.

Re: Skeptic's 9 minutes in Heaven

Post by Spock » Wed Oct 30, 2013 12:12 am

Are you in the states Truthseeker?

The Division of Perceptual Studies - School of Medicine at the University of Virginia

http://www.medicine.virginia.edu/clinical/departments/psychiatry/sections/cspp/dops/

Re: Skeptic's 9 minutes in Heaven

Post by Truthseekerx » Wed Oct 30, 2013 12:03 am

Spock wrote:Truthseeker, if you have it down to a formula like that - then you have got to go be tested and studied.

There are some simple tests that can validate this, and if proven accurate, would open up an entirely new realm of science and research, with funding.

I do believe this can happen, I have a hard time accepting it is something that can be accomplished at the drop of a hat, on the other hand, I would imagine that if it can be done, then there is probably someone who can do it pretty much at will.



Tested by whom and for what purpose? If you understand who funds such projects then you would understand why I'd NEVER agree to do this. It has been proven to me, through my own direct experience, which is certainly all I need. Guaranteed, this ability is VERY well known to the PTB--and actively suppressed and ridiculed. Not something I'm interested in being a part of.

There is a reason why the average person on this planet does not know how to leave their body--they're not supposed to. Sounds paranoid? Well, let me pose these (vague) questions to you: if you are not stuck in a body, how big of a threat are you to the secrets of others? Powerful criminals protect their secrets at all costs. Walls, floors, vaults and security guards can only stop you when you are in a body. Get my drift?

Bottom line is, until someone experiences it directly, they won't truly believe it is possible. I know I wouldn't. Something is only true for me when I have direct evidence of it.

Re: Skeptic's 9 minutes in Heaven

Post by Spock » Tue Oct 29, 2013 9:48 pm

Truthseeker, if you have it down to a formula like that - then you have got to go be tested and studied.

There are some simple tests that can validate this, and if proven accurate, would open up an entirely new realm of science and research, with funding.

I do believe this can happen, I have a hard time accepting it is something that can be accomplished at the drop of a hat, on the other hand, I would imagine that if it can be done, then there is probably someone who can do it pretty much at will.

Re: Skeptic's 9 minutes in Heaven

Post by Constabul » Tue Oct 29, 2013 9:42 pm

Truthseekerx wrote:It's just fear of death. Understandable really, since a lot of deaths are painful. And we have all experienced a LOT of deaths.


This is what you presume it to be, just as easily as I can say that individuals who gravitate towards an 'afterlife' are scared to let go of what they are, what they have learned, and the people they love.
Is the Ego transcendent?
Or is it a matter of patterns that fit the vessel they are in at the time manifested till the product of decay results in a new transference /manifestation. Without previous structure/pattern intact(ego).

You presume fear, due to it fitting the mold of the box you have constructed for your self. I can say I personally do not know, an knowingly say the same of any truly honest person.
I observe patterns in nature, this give me clues to form opinion of how I see things, but it is only an opinion.
The mind can trick us into all sorts of comfort zones, an afterlife with a 'creator' is no less a mind trick.
It is a taught belief structure that does not manifest uniformly in human.
A desire to continue on in some capacity that is more then what we see.
That is the true fear.

Yes we experience LOTS of deaths, to live others creatures, 'creations' (if you will) must die.
We watch people we love disappear as we ourselves grow older, and eventually die.

To know Death, is to realize what is living.
Because at some point for us all it (life) will be gone.

My view stands this lady is out to sell a book, it is a bs story, but one many can relate to and empathize with to give them hope. Enjoy that, buy the book, it is your choice. I see no difference here then many others we see come, along jump into a genre, and use it to their benefit.
2012- end of the wolrd
Nibiru- again end of the world
NWO- various slants
UFOs- debatable (and i have seen what i would call UFOs But is a wide topic/book base)
Lizard people- yadda yadda
Etc
I think you may get the gist.

Re: Skeptic's 9 minutes in Heaven

Post by Truthseekerx » Tue Oct 29, 2013 6:06 pm

Spock wrote:Extreme cynism is a protection mechanism. To admit the possibility would be to relinquish perceived control by admitting there are things that, not only can we not understand or appreciate, but that we might not agree with too.


It's just fear of death. Understandable really, since a lot of deaths are painful. And we have all experienced a LOT of deaths.

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