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Re: Exactly What We Need More Surveillance

Post by Eaganthorn » Wed Apr 07, 2010 7:47 pm

boondox681 wrote:eaganthorn...critical thinking-i like it a lot.

Thanks.

I think every point of their argument can be used to support the same argument to keep them (our elected officials) all under surveillance. You know, good for the goose, good for the gander.

We can start with Joe Lieberman, congress, the senate, governors and mayors, county commissioners, etc, but why stop there? In addition to putting a camera on every politician, why not put a camera on every cop. We need to keep those guys honest too, and every judge, lawyer, prison guard and warden, etc, any public servant that could be corrupted. You know we’ve had an image problem with all of those people and this would stop any unwarranted speculation. Seriously, if they aren’t corrupted, they should have nothing to fear. It would even work in favor of those who are clean and honest.

And if you really think about it, it makes more sense to watch our public servants than it does to watch the vast majority of the public. Less cameras to install and far more people to monitor them, than the other way around.

Re: Exactly What We Need More Surveillance

Post by Boondox681 » Wed Apr 07, 2010 6:32 pm

eaganthorn...critical thinking-i like it a lot.

Re: Exactly What We Need More Surveillance

Post by Eaganthorn » Wed Apr 07, 2010 6:03 pm

And I say, lets turn this around, if we are to have public surveillance system, truly make it an honest public surveillance system. The url of every camera posted at the camera site and in a public access database, open to all the public for view at any time. In this way, we can all see what is being watched. I bet the strategic locations of the cameras will better scrutinized, crime rates would actually drop as these cameras are intended to assist, etc.

Better yet, I want a camera in the office of every public official. I want to see what my elected officials are doing. I want to hear their phone conversations. I mean after all, I elected them, the phone was paid for by me and should only be used for business that I have a right to know about. Bet that would bring a great deal of corruption to a screeching halt.

I want to know when my employees (elected officials) are late to work, when they leave work, how much work they really do and if they are stealing from me (the taxpayer). I can then better determine how much of a raise they truly have earned.

Think about it.

Re: Exactly What We Need More Surveillance

Post by Torofamily » Wed Apr 07, 2010 5:55 pm

boondox681 wrote:all they do is collect info after the fact.i've never seen a camera stop or prevent an attack.cameras are everywhere now..no new ones are needed.it's about cash.here's the factoid of this thread.52% of the nyc subways cameras don't work.it's definitely not about our safety.




two good points boondox


i agree its not about our safety its about control

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Re: Exactly What We Need More Surveillance

Post by Boondox681 » Wed Apr 07, 2010 5:40 pm

all they do is collect info after the fact.i've never seen a camera stop or prevent an attack.cameras are everywhere now..no new ones are needed.it's about cash.here's the factoid of this thread.52% of the nyc subways cameras don't work.it's definitely not about our safety.

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Post by Torofamily » Wed Apr 07, 2010 5:29 pm

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Exactly What We Need More Surveillance

Post by Torofamily » Wed Apr 07, 2010 3:52 pm

More Surveillance: Planes, Trains, Automobiles and Buses
Published on 04-06-2010
http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/more-surveillance-planes-trains-autmobiles-and-buses_04052010

Senator Joe Lieberman, in an interview with NBC’s Meet the Press, says that he is worried about the threat of domestic terrorism on public transportation systems:

“Our government is working with state and local officials … both in ways that are visible and ways that are not visible, to raise our defenses on trains and subways and buses. But … non-aviation is the vulnerable part of our transportation system and we, frankly, need to give it more than we’re giving it now to protect the American people. I worry about this,” Lieberman said.


The balance between freedom and security has been tilting, with the weight of the scales tipping towards restrictive security controls since September 11, 2001. After the largest criminal attack ever committed in the United States, we saw sweeping legislation in the form of Patriot Act, which, in effect, suspended many constitutional protections for anyone suspected of being a threat.


The so-called no fly list(s), maintained by government agencies like TSA, CIA and FBI, also result from the terrorist attacks of 2001, and the names on the various lists have grown from just a few thousands suspected terrorists in 2001 to millions of people, including American citizens, today.

Are Americans prepared for and willing to accept such intrusions into their lives when traveling? Some would say no, that Americans will value their freedom over security.



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