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Re: Judaism VS Zionism

Post by Iwanci » Wed Jan 11, 2012 11:42 pm

No OK.. let’s keep religion... actually let’s broaden our intellect by introducing some new ones?

Let’s make ourselves believe that we are little microbes in the bigger picture and our little microbial brain needs to rely on the mercy of some grand designer for our existence. Let everyone know and understand that our god is the greatest of all gods, and if they do not concur let’s kill the person not the disease!
Some people really need to grow up!

As if we don’t have enough issues to resolve on this planet, let’s try and at the very least convince everyone that they should be conforming to what some stooge wrote on the back of some sheep 1000 years ago when the best they could do to interpret occurrences is kill their own babies to appease the goat god or the elephant god or the dude we were told walked on water or the god that apparently created this place and loves us all so much that we need to fear him or he will literally kill us and make us suffer in eternal fir e pits..

Yep, you have convinced me folks.. we definitely need more religions, fuck that science bullshit, let’s all have babies and sacrifice them, let’s all take on 40 virgin wives and have them tend to our every male desire (what say yee religious women? Eli where are you, I need a new virgin wife), let’s all go to bible school every day and learn more and more about our apparent god, if we do all the right things I am now 100% convinced that all our problems will in fact be solved...

Or maybe the only truth is that your god gave you a brain for a purpose? TO BE USED to see through the bullshit and to solve real problems for humanity with real solutions? When confronted by traumatic circumstances most people will find strength in others and together find solutions, those that sit in a corner, keep to themselves and worship, will only ever ride off the good work of their brother and then seek comfort that their god gave them their brother to do his bidding. Reality is that if were all like the brother we would not need religion, if we were all praying in the corner, we would not solve the problem...

The truth in the contradiction is that the more you read and rely on the religion for light, the further in darkness you get.

Sure close your eyes and pray, your god is with you but just in there... in your mind. Stop hiding behind excuses, be the best you can be!

Re: Judaism VS Zionism

Post by Phaeton » Wed Jan 11, 2012 3:13 pm

iwanci wrote:I would submit that if you get rid of all religions the question will be answered and the issues will themselves be solved.

Yes, brilliant! Lets get rid of religion! That will solve everything.

Eyes wide shut.

Re: Judaism VS Zionism

Post by Akashicrebel » Tue Jan 10, 2012 10:02 am

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Re: Judaism VS Zionism

Post by Absolute » Tue Jan 10, 2012 5:59 am

divide an conquer is working pretty well in this thread

Re: Judaism VS Zionism

Post by Iwanci » Tue Jan 10, 2012 5:36 am

I would submit that if you get rid of all religions the question will be answered and the issues will themselves be solved.

Re: Judaism VS Zionism

Post by Constabul » Tue Jan 10, 2012 4:12 am

Zionism, or Zionist, is generally a political / national movement to return the "Jewish" people to their "homeland" .
There are other versions of Zionism, such as established by Ahad Ha'am, Cultural Zionism.

Nathan Birnbaum coined the phrase Zionism around 1890.

Judah, all in all, believe just what is attributed to "Zionism".
You just have variations of Judaism, which are Reform, Conservative and Orthodox. Some are more acceptable of non jews. The orthos are more inline of what distinction is linked to zionist as portrayed here.
They would rather not have the non jewish Judaic followers. The others recognize a useful tool.

The Jewish mother thing, linking only to true jews is throughout. Not just to Orthodox. Some are just more polite about it.
That is one of the problems the jews had with jesus, was he brought in the gentiles, (non jews).

I would submit, there is no difference between Judaism VS Zionism, other then one is more in your face about it.
But in Judaism you find a link between God and People. Everyone else are just extras.
And in that link, you find the self proclaimed classification of "Race". When in fact the majority of them are all arabs, or Arab / European mix.
There is no such thing as a jew race. Only ideologies of cliques and separatist.
Which goes back to tribal conflicts.

Edit to add:
Mind you this is only my opinion of what information i have come across. Not saying Im right or wrong, just through my eyes.
Take for what you will.

Re: Judaism VS Zionism

Post by Iwanci » Tue Jan 10, 2012 3:48 am

Get rid of both of them... no one needs either of these religions.

Then get rid of all the rest of them..

We really don’t need religion.... you can all worship me instead if you need someone to praise and heap gifts upon... send me your virgins etc etc...

FFS.. get over the bigotry you imbeciles... start at the very least doing what the CORE of your religion asks you to do.. love thy neighbour... and his wife.

Re: Judaism VS Zionism

Post by New2011 » Tue Jan 10, 2012 3:47 am

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Qur’an:8:39 “fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).

yes and the end of israel !
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Re: Judaism VS Zionism

Post by Noentry » Tue Jan 10, 2012 3:29 am

constabul wrote:Np man, wasn't pointedly directed at you, only address a point you brought up, in context to others calling things incorrectly. You have seen enough to know it is a peeve of mine.

As to agnostic jew, it is a matter of again ideologies trying to convey a racial distinction.
Possibly it is rooted in the conquest of peoples where only the women were left alive? Thus a distinction linked to the mothers lineage? (as to continue the "pure" lineage)
In any case Agnostic jew is not a religious branch.
In such, you are certianly right, no christian or muslim agnostics. It more a personal choice intertwined with the misclassified racial distinction. Which then becomes an attempt to link it to an ancestry / race.(in other words god chosen people).
SO you end up a jew, be it agnostic atheist, or practicing jew.
The three "major" forms of Judaism are Reform, Conservative and Orthodox. Particularly within Orthodox Judaism, there are various "branches" which have usually subtle differences.

There certianly are a number of ethnicity groups in the region, but all intermingled at some point. Which gives way to national distinctions that then gets lumped into religious groupings. And subsequently mislabeled as races.

Honestly, i do enjoy the subjects because it can put the devotes panties in a wad having to reconcile they are all the same people, and their religious "choice" by willingness or conditioning after birth is just that, something taught, and not a integral part of humanity.
If you could get all the grown ups to shut up about their holy books, and teach the children a basic education not skewed by these archaic beliefs you would remove all the strife with in a generation or two.


So the true fundamental difference between Zionist and Jewish, where all the differences start from, is Jewish believes they are a religion and Zionist believe they are a race.
And the rest of the differences come from this orientation of doctrine.
One promoting peace and one promoting war
one believes in serving God and the other believes God put them here to rule.

Re: Judaism VS Zionism

Post by Mediasorcerer » Tue Jan 10, 2012 3:19 am

Excellent comments constabul,thanx. :flop:


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