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 Post subject: PRESIDENT’S ELIGIBILITY QUESTIONED BY MEMBER OF CONGRESS
PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 5:26 am 
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I was reading this story DTV has in featured storys and it says:

He has publicly admitted on more than one occasion that his father was NOT an American citizen. This alone disqualifies him from eligibility based on Article 2, Section 1, Paragraph 5 of the Constitution, and consequently makes him a usurper.


i tryed looking up this in Article 2, Section 1, Paragraph 5 of the Constitution.

i don't see it. is this story flat out bull or am i missing something?

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this is all i see, nothing about parents having to be born in usa too.

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States

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It has nothing to do with "father" or "mother"... all that is required is one PARENT.


Article 2, section 1, paragraph 5:
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No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.


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Jus sanguinis

Under certain circumstances, US citizenship can be acquired via jus sanguinis from one's parents. The following conditions affect children born outside the US and its outlying possessions to married parents (special conditions affect children born out of wedlock: see below):[4]

* If both parents are US citizens, the child is a citizen if either of the parents has ever lived in the US prior to the child's birth
* If one parent is a US citizen and the other parent is a US national, the child is a citizen if the US citizen parent has lived in the US for a continuous period of at least one year prior to the child's birth
* If one parent is a US citizen and the other parent is not, the child is a citizen if
o the US citizen parent has been "physically present"[5] in the US before the child's birth for a total period of at least five years, and
o at least two of those five years were after the US citizen parent's fourteenth birthday.

[edit] Children born overseas out of wedlock

There is an asymmetry in the way citizenship status of children born overseas to unmarried parents, only one of whom is a U.S. citizen, is handled.

8 U.S.C. § 1409 paragraph (c) provides that children born abroad after December 24, 1952 to unmarried American mothers are US citizens, as long as the mother has lived in the US for a continuous period of at least one year anytime prior to the birth.

8 U.S.C. § 1409 paragraph (a) provides that children born to American fathers unmarried to the children's non-American mothers are also considered US citizens if the father takes several actions:

* Unless deceased, has agreed to provide financial support to the child until he reaches 18,
* Establish paternity by clear and convincing evidence and, while the person is under the age of 18 years
o the person is legitimated under the law of the person’s residence or domicile,
o the father acknowledges paternity of the person in writing under oath, or
o the paternity of the person is established by adjudication of a competent court.
+ 8 U.S.C. § 1409 paragraph (a) provides that acknowledgement of paternity can be shown by acknowledging paternity under oath and in writing; having the issue adjudicated by a court; or having the child otherwise "legitimated" by law.

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 Post subject: Re: PRESIDENT’S ELIGIBILITY QUESTIONED BY MEMBER OF CONGRESS
PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 6:08 am 
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snotballs wrote:
It has nothing to do with "father" or "mother"... all that is required is one PARENT.


Article 2, section 1, paragraph 5:
Quote:
No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.


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Jus sanguinis

Under certain circumstances, US citizenship can be acquired via jus sanguinis from one's parents. The following conditions affect children born outside the US and its outlying possessions to married parents (special conditions affect children born out of wedlock: see below):[4]

* If both parents are US citizens, the child is a citizen if either of the parents has ever lived in the US prior to the child's birth
* If one parent is a US citizen and the other parent is a US national, the child is a citizen if the US citizen parent has lived in the US for a continuous period of at least one year prior to the child's birth
* If one parent is a US citizen and the other parent is not, the child is a citizen if
o the US citizen parent has been "physically present"[5] in the US before the child's birth for a total period of at least five years, and
o at least two of those five years were after the US citizen parent's fourteenth birthday.

[edit] Children born overseas out of wedlock

There is an asymmetry in the way citizenship status of children born overseas to unmarried parents, only one of whom is a U.S. citizen, is handled.

8 U.S.C. § 1409 paragraph (c) provides that children born abroad after December 24, 1952 to unmarried American mothers are US citizens, as long as the mother has lived in the US for a continuous period of at least one year anytime prior to the birth.

8 U.S.C. § 1409 paragraph (a) provides that children born to American fathers unmarried to the children's non-American mothers are also considered US citizens if the father takes several actions:

* Unless deceased, has agreed to provide financial support to the child until he reaches 18,
* Establish paternity by clear and convincing evidence and, while the person is under the age of 18 years
o the person is legitimated under the law of the person’s residence or domicile,
o the father acknowledges paternity of the person in writing under oath, or
o the paternity of the person is established by adjudication of a competent court.
+ 8 U.S.C. § 1409 paragraph (a) provides that acknowledgement of paternity can be shown by acknowledging paternity under oath and in writing; having the issue adjudicated by a court; or having the child otherwise "legitimated" by law.


:flop: cool. the story was in featured story here on dtv home page wich i tryed looking into what it said and it seemms to be lieing because i can't find any real facts to back it up in the Constitution, read this story i'll copy paste it, i think it's bull because i don't even see paragraph 5 lol


(Jan. 5, 2010) — The Post & Email can publicly confirm that on the first of December, last, U.S. Congressman Nathan Deal (GA-R) challenged the eligibility of Barack Hussein Obama to hold the office of the U.S. presidency.

Todd Smith, Chief of Staff for Representative Nathan Deal of the United States House of Representatives serving Georgia’s 9th district, has confirmed today that Deal has sent a letter to Barack Hussein Obama requesting him to prove his eligibility for the office of President of the United States of America. The letter was sent electronically the first of December 2009 in pdf format, and Mr. Smith said that Representative Deal has confirmation from Obama’s staff that it has been received. The letter did not have additional signatories. It originated solely from Representative Deal.

Now, what does this mean? This is probably the first time in 233 years of American history that a sitting member of the House of Representatives has officially challenged the legitimacy of a sitting president….one full year into his term.

This forever changes the public discourse.

Even if the putative president ignores the challenge, he cannot hide from it, because by doing so he admits his guilt through silence. The question has to be asked near and far, why would a president who has promised greater transparency than any previous administration pay upwards of $2,000,000 of taxpayer money to hide documents that could resolve the matter once and for all time for the cost of $20.00. He has publicly admitted on more than one occasion that his father was NOT an American citizen. This alone disqualifies him from eligibility based on Article 2, Section 1, Paragraph 5 of the Constitution, and consequently makes him a usurper.

Representative Deal, understanding full well the magnitude and gravity of the situation and recognizing that it places our country in a national security crisis, has rightfully confronted the issue head-on. The ramifications are so serious that all laws signed by a putative president are null and void, and soldiers sent into war under his command can be tried as war criminals.

Representative Deal is not a “Birther”; rather, he is a “Truther”; one of the millions of others who have been seeking irrefutable proof for over a year and a half!

Not a single lawsuit to date has been decided on the merits of the case, with numerous cases yet to be resolved or dismissed.

To show support for Representative Deal, you may contact him here:

The Honorable Nathan Deal
2133 Rayburn House Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20515-1009
DC Phone: 202-225-5211
DC Fax: 202-225-8272
Email Address: http://www.house.gov/deal/contact.shtml
WWW Homepage: http://www.house.gov/deal/



When i googled it i found this : It was dismissed Oct 29, 2009 by Judge David O. Carter.
but this story is dated (Jan. 5, 2010) LOL

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 Post subject: Re: PRESIDENT’S ELIGIBILITY QUESTIONED BY MEMBER OF CONGRESS
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Way to cut ones political career short.

Good Job Kid, welcome to the majors.
You just struck out. All the way out.

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Way to cut ones political career short.

Good Job Kid, welcome to the majors.
You just struck out. All the way out.


i'm wicked tired and not understanding what you mean lol maybe i'm not reading you right but who is the kid and who struck out?

this was listed in featured storys and i hear so much about this since obama was elected i thought i look into myself (try never take anyones word for it) but i see nothing wrong. it seems like a fake story to me so i thought i challendge anyone who believes it to prove it because i can't find anything to prove they even have a case.

I was thinking it's a fake story and they listed this congress mans e-mail hoping people write him bring attention to it but there nothing to look into far as i can see, but if i am wrong i hope someone can point out where the U.S.C says that because i don't see it.

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 Post subject: Re: PRESIDENT’S ELIGIBILITY QUESTIONED BY MEMBER OF CONGRESS
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LowSix wrote:
Way to cut ones political career short.

Good Job Kid, welcome to the majors.
You just struck out. All the way out.


Well since you didn'y reply i can only think you are talking about me when you said (you) and (kid) ?

Well for one I'm no kid I bet i'm older then you.

#2 how did i strike out ? Are you saying that his father was NOT an American citizen and this alone disqualifies him from eligibility based on Article 2, Section 1, Paragraph 5 of the Constitution ???

If so show me where it says in the USC your father has to be a american... I don't see it so your going to have to prove it says that.

#3 Did you even read this thread? Because I don't run disclose.tv i'm just a member here. I don't put links to web sites on DTV's (Breaking Alternative News section) i just read them.

#4 In layman's terms, I read this story DTV linked up in the (Breaking Alternative News section) wich said Article 2, Section 1, Paragraph 5 of the Constitution says that his father has to be a american. ( I'm saying there is no such thing ) but for the benifit of the doubt i asked you all if it is true because ( I DO NOT SEE IT )

So since i'm a kid and struck out somehow please enlighten me to where it says that??

(((( If you are not refering to me as a kid and struck out then i will say i'm sorry now.))))

but when i look up Article 2, Section 1, Paragraph 5 of the Constitution this is what it says.

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States

I see nothing about fathers there so it leads me to believe this story is complete bullchit!

Not to mention we here on DTV are trying to find the truth and is that not what i am trying to do here? So i see no need to bash me as if i'm trying to say the USC says that in Article 2, Section 1, Paragraph 5. I thought i made it pretty clear i couldn't find it and thought it was bull.

And again if i am reading you wrong and your not talking about me then i am very sorry.

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The thing they are trying to say is "Natural Born Citizen" - according to the definition - it is their position that Obama is not a natural born citizen. This part is plain and simple. Look up the definition of a "Natural born citizen" and maybe it will make sense to you. It's just legalese, and by itself it really doesn't say much. It's like winning or losing a court case because of a technicality. Some agree with the technicality and some do not.

Many democrats started the "win at any cost" tactics back when Bush was screwing things up, so in my opinion, they made themselves a target now that the opposition is using the "win at any cost" tactic to attempt to remove the current problem from office. Of course, I doubt it is gonna matter because both the last and current president have proven to me time and time again, that "We the people" is a concept lost on the office of president.

I don't understand the other dialog in this thread. I don't understand who struck out or who is safe or who got a home run? But to stick with the analog I prefer to play the game fairly and honorably. I prefer to play the game to win. I think winning is tied up in who plays the game correctly and according to the rules and not according to whom the favorite or the underdog is. Winning at any cost simply defies rule making. A win at any cost scenario would therefore not be a good and honorable thing, in baseball or in american politics.


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The thing they are trying to say is "Natural Born Citizen" - according to the definition - it is their position that Obama is not a natural born citizen. This part is plain and simple. Look up the definition of a "Natural born citizen" and maybe it will make sense to you. It's just legalese, and by itself it really doesn't say much. It's like winning or losing a court case because of a technicality. Some agree with the technicality and some do not.

Many democrats started the "win at any cost" tactics back when Bush was screwing things up, so in my opinion, they made themselves a target now that the opposition is using the "win at any cost" tactic to attempt to remove the current problem from office. Of course, I doubt it is gonna matter because both the last and current president have proven to me time and time again, that "We the people" is a concept lost on the office of president.

I don't understand the other dialog in this thread. I don't understand who struck out or who is safe or who got a home run? But to stick with the analog I prefer to play the game fairly and honorably. I prefer to play the game to win. I think winning is tied up in who plays the game correctly and according to the rules and not according to whom the favorite or the underdog is. Winning at any cost simply defies rule making. A win at any cost scenario would therefore not be a good and honorable thing, in baseball or in american politics.


good post :flop:

but....

The story says nothing about "Natural Born Citizen" i'll copy past it again:

He has publicly admitted on more than one occasion that his father was NOT an American citizen. This alone disqualifies him from eligibility based on Article 2, Section 1, Paragraph 5 of the Constitution

key words: his (father) was NOT an American citizen. (This alone disqualifies him) from eligibility.

they didn't say obama or his mother they said his father.

they claim it can be found in ( Article 2, Section 1, Paragraph 5 of the Constitution )

:flop: Reading Comprehension :flop:

yeah i don't know what or who low was talking about or too, I think he didn't read it and is thinking i am saying this but i am not the site in DTV's breaking storys said it and i'm only questioning the information listed in the story and saying far as i know where your father is born doesn't matter.

but thank you for taking the time to respond to this and yeah i do agree with everything eles you said :flop:

story link : http://www.disclose.tv/frameset.php?url ... ibility%2F

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Vulcanic, it is simple.. the story is :bullshit:

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