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PostFri Nov 19, 2010 11:21 pm » by Daemonfoe


samuelthemule wrote:
daemonfoe wrote:
spinevane27 wrote:
I think you meant "can't"
But I didn't say they didn't reincarnate. Just not like humans, we have a more... sentient consciousness.


Animals can sense things that humans can't... Maybe we're on a lower level.


good point, i suspect this with dolphins and whales quite strongly :)

re: earth is not the only planet... true true, but that seems to me to be outside of where you need to go, logically. why use an unknown to explain another unknown, when you can use a known, kind of thing.


Because if you want to fully understand something you need to take all possibilities into consideration.

These also seems to be sort of unknown, so I don't see why my point is less valid:

samuelthemule wrote:Possible explanation/way over/out of paradox: a great deal of souls which were active during the past have incarnated now, as this is a pivotal moment in history during which much more is possible than has been recently.
Also, the concept of the 'oversoul' or higher self, which can split itself and send multiple envoys at once, resolves this... to an extent.
The two choices we have are something starting from nothing, or something existing infinitely. These are both paradoxes. The existence of everything is therefore a paradox. -daemonfoe

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PostFri Nov 19, 2010 11:23 pm » by Poooooot


spinevane27 wrote:Karma isn't set in stone, you in your increased awareness see your faults more clearly and choose to experience some things, there are accidents that are not planned, in order to rectify your own guilt.


:flop: YES

I've always felt that "life" is just "soul school." We keep doing it over and over (ie, reincarnate) until a) we, as a soul/spirit/light/etc, are satisfied, or b) we got it right. I believe we've basically mapped out our own lives before we got here. Not everything, that would be impossible (due to others' free will and the way it affects us), but the big important lessons. :mrgreen:

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PostFri Nov 19, 2010 11:24 pm » by Samuelthemule


spinevane27 wrote:Thanks samuel
It makes a difference when people don't bash someone.
I've lived most of my life without much thought to the spiritual and then one day I started finding things one after the next, I had three memories that I always had that weren't normal and that kept me curious to find out more.
I don't want to take my... solace for granted and not try to help someone else explore who they and we are. I think that if what I can say can help just 1 out of 100 then its worth it.

But my memories also tie into this 2012 stuff, which isn't the end of course. The people coming to earth to help it is quite true. I don't even think of aliens as aliens but as beings no different than I.

Your Souls Plan by Robert Schwartz is very helpful.
Nanci Danison is pretty spot on in her NDE.
The Ra Material is helpful as well.
Ken Carey's work is one I'm very interested in reading when I get the chance.

A lot of things are helpful if you find the correct ones, because of the things I've seen I am able to kind of sift through things better because I have my own knowledge. Just take most things with a grain of salt. Might be best to focus on one thing your most comfortable with and keep other possibilities in the back of your mind.
But things are changing, for the better, thats for sure.

We not on a lower level(as far as I'm aware of), animals are closer to nature, its part of the consciousness they have, we she moves they move so to speak. As far as higher or lower though, everything is important, if you go far enough to where everything is one then there isn't anything thats higher/lower just a different point of view.


Yup, true.
Thanks for the reply.

As for Solace & Repose:

"We must not conceal from ourselves that no improvement in the present depressing situation is possible without a severe struggle; for the handful of those who are really determined to do something is minute in comparison with the mass of the lukewarm and the misguided. ...Humanity is going to need a substantially new way of thinking if it is to survive!"
A.E

We need to find a way of being at ease with going into the fire it seems, whatever that means. Hmmm.

:nails: :sunny:

Re: Daemonfoe: it's not any less valid, just, if you were trying to show someone a logical approach, it might be easier for them to digest if you said, all the souls on our planet are reincarnating now, as opposed to, souls from other planets, souls from other universes are incarnating now... because, nasa (never a straight answer) won't let us know we aren't alone :p

And some people are caught up with what 'the authority's' say.
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PostFri Nov 19, 2010 11:38 pm » by Nilm33


daemonfoe wrote:Can we get some consistency on thread titles?

nilm33 wrote:Proof of Reincarnation


nilm33 wrote:Be your own judge, I for one believe.


...and that's before anyone even made an argument.



You present proof to a judge, the proof doesnt sentence you, the judge does.

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PostFri Nov 19, 2010 11:40 pm » by Daemonfoe


samuelthemule wrote:Re: Daemonfoe: it's not any less valid, just, if you were trying to show someone a logical approach, it might be easier for them to digest if you said, all the souls on our planet are reincarnating now, as opposed to, souls from other planets, souls from other universes are incarnating now... because, nasa (never a straight answer) won't let us know we aren't alone :p

And some people are caught up with what 'the authority's' say.


It was simply another possibility as to where souls COULD be coming from to make up for the number of vessels in existence now as compared to in Earth's past.
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PostFri Nov 19, 2010 11:41 pm » by Daemonfoe


nilm33 wrote:
daemonfoe wrote:Can we get some consistency on thread titles?

nilm33 wrote:Proof of Reincarnation


nilm33 wrote:Be your own judge, I for one believe.


...and that's before anyone even made an argument.



You present proof to a judge, the proof doesnt sentence you, the judge does.


It's called evidence, not proof. It's called proof after the judge sentences you.
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PostFri Nov 19, 2010 11:47 pm » by Nilm33


Sorry I just woke up, yeah evidence. Thats what I meant. At least this time you got my point rather than losing your mind. Pheww!!! Close call! lol

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PostSat Nov 20, 2010 12:51 am » by Govtslave


For me, if reincarnation is real, it must be involuntary because I have never felt I belong here nor would I ever volunteer to come to this shitty existence.

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PostSat Nov 20, 2010 12:56 am » by Nilm33


Mr. Smith had to become powerful in order for Neo to negotiate with The Source to save Zion.

This "shitty experience" is neccisary I believe.

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PostSat Nov 20, 2010 1:11 am » by Spinevane27


I've felt the same way about me not believing I would volunteer to come here.
When you see how much people suffer and how little a part one life here is, beings usually don't mind going through the sacrifice to help, thats just how how much good we have in us.
Humanity can be a beautiful thing for so much time spent suffering and wondering why and how we are here, just for the few moments that bring us joy.
Falling in love, helping those in need, helping others be happy, watching a child grow up to fulfill there dreams and exceed your expectations.
Nothing here is really perfect, but there are those moments, very few precious moments.

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