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PostWed Oct 14, 2009 9:45 pm » by Maximusthegreat


ok, i dont post on here very often i just look around...........daily. but i have a question about the moon and i know if you ask stupid questions you get stupid answers but i just gotta ask........here goes get ready for the ridicule.........why is it that the moon does not rotate like most other celestial bodies???? i have a few of my own far out theories but i will save them for myself for now and wait to see if any of you come up with what i reckon.
this is one of the major questions i ask the muggles when they think i'm a paranoid weirdo on about this and that, and they just go quiet and you can see the cogs whirring trying to come up with in their world a 'sensible' 'plausible' answer.
so what do you reckon, anybody out there have any answers for me????

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PostWed Oct 14, 2009 9:50 pm » by Cornbread714


maximusthegreat wrote:ok, i dont post on here very often i just look around...........daily. but i have a question about the moon and i know if you ask stupid questions you get stupid answers but i just gotta ask........here goes get ready for the ridicule.........why is it that the moon does not rotate like most other celestial bodies???? i have a few of my own far out theories but i will save them for myself for now and wait to see if any of you come up with what i reckon.
this is one of the major questions i ask the muggles when they think i'm a paranoid weirdo on about this and that, and they just go quiet and you can see the cogs whirring trying to come up with in their world a 'sensible' 'plausible' answer.
so what do you reckon, anybody out there have any answers for me????


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PostWed Oct 14, 2009 9:51 pm » by Drextin


maximusthegreat wrote:ok, i dont post on here very often i just look around...........daily. but i have a question about the moon and i know if you ask stupid questions you get stupid answers but i just gotta ask........here goes get ready for the ridicule.........why is it that the moon does not rotate like most other celestial bodies???? i have a few of my own far out theories but i will save them for myself for now and wait to see if any of you come up with what i reckon.
this is one of the major questions i ask the muggles when they think i'm a paranoid weirdo on about this and that, and they just go quiet and you can see the cogs whirring trying to come up with in their world a 'sensible' 'plausible' answer.
so what do you reckon, anybody out there have any answers for me????

gravity struggle with earth keeps it in a tidal lockstep. some of the moons around the larger gas giants do the same. strangely our moon shouldn't exhibit these traits because earth isn't big enough to influence rotation but its precise location is the reason it does...........in fact earth can't even keep the moon locked in place as it is moving away from us.........so it is a strange set of "coincidences" that give the moon its orbital/rotational traits.
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PostWed Oct 14, 2009 9:55 pm » by brillbilly


Compiled by Ronald Regehr

The moon is the Rosetta stone of the planets." —Robert Jastrow,
First Chairman, NASA Lunar Exploration Committee

After hundreds of years of detailed observation and study, our closest companion in the vast universe, Earth’s moon, remains an enigma. Six moon landings and hundreds of experiments have resulted in more questions being asked than answered. Among them:
1. Moon’s Age: The moon is far older than previously expected. Maybe even older than the Earth or the Sun. The oldest age for the Earth is estimated to be 4.6 billion years old; moon rocks were dated at 5.3 billion years old, and the dust upon which they were resting was at least another billion years older.
2. Rock’s Origin: The chemical composition of the dust upon which the rocks sat differed remarkably from the rocks themselves, contrary to accepted theories that the dust resulted from weathering and breakup of the rocks themselves. The rocks had to have come from somewhere else.
3. Heavier Elements on Surface: Normal planetary composition results in heavier elements in the core and lighter materials at the surface; not so with the moon. According to Wilson, "The abundance of refractory elements like titanium in the surface areas is so pronounced that several geologists proposed the refractory compounds were brought to the moon’s surface in great quantity in some unknown way. They don’t know how, but that it was done cannot be questioned." (Emphasis added).
4. Water Vapor: On March 7, 1971, lunar instruments placed by the astronauts recorded a vapor cloud of water passing across the surface of the moon. The cloud lasted 14 hours and covered an area of about 100 square miles.
5. Magnetic Rocks: Moon rocks were magnetized. This is odd because there is no magnetic field on the moon itself. This could not have originated from a "close call" with Earth—such an encounter would have ripped the moon apart.
6. No Volcanoes: Some of the moon’s craters originated internally, yet there is no indication that the moon was ever hot enough to produce volcanic eruptions.
7. Moon Mascons: Mascons, which are large, dense, circular masses lying twenty to forty miles beneath the centers of the moon’s maria, "are broad, disk-shaped objects that could be possibly some kind of artificial construction. For huge circular disks are not likely to be beneath each huge maria, centered like bull’s-eyes in the middle of each, by coincidence or accident." (Emphasis added).
8. Seismic Activity: Hundreds of "moonquakes" are recorded each year that cannot be attributed to meteor strikes. In November, 1958, Soviet astronomer Nikolay A. Kozyrev of the Crimean Astrophysical Observatory photographed a gaseous eruption of the moon near the crater Alphonsus. He also detected a reddish glow that lasted for about an hour. In 1963, astronomers at the Lowell Observatory also saw reddish glows on the crests of ridges in the Aristarchus region. These observations have proved to be precisely identical and periodical, repeating themselves as the moon moves closer to the Earth. These are probably not natural phenomena.
9. Hollow Moon: The moon’s mean density is 3.34 gm/cm3 (3.34 times an equal volume of water) whereas the Earth’s is 5.5. What does this mean? In 1962, NASA scientist Dr. Gordon MacDonald stated, "If the astronomical data are reduced, it is found that the data require that the interior of the moon is more like a hollow than a homogeneous sphere." Nobel chemist Dr. Harold Urey suggested the moon’s reduced density is because of large areas inside the moon where is "simply a cavity." MIT’s Dr. Sean C. Solomon wrote, "the Lunar Orbiter experiments vastly improved our knowledge of the moon’s gravitational field . . . indicating the frightening possibility that the moon might be hollow." In Carl Sagan’s treatise, Intelligent Life in the Universe, the famous astronomer stated, "A natural satellite cannot be a hollow object."
10. Moon Echoes: On November 20, 1969, the Apollo 12 crew jettisoned the lunar module ascent stage causing it to crash onto the moon. The LM’s impact (about 40 miles from the Apollo 12 landing site) created an artificial moonquake with startling characteristics—the moon reverberated like a bell for more than an hour. This phenomenon was repeated with Apollo 13 (intentionally commanding the third stage to impact the moon), with even more startling results. Seismic instruments recorded that the reverberations lasted for three hours and twenty minutes and traveled to a depth of twenty-five miles, leading to the conclusion that the moon has an unusually light—or even no—core.
11. Unusual Metals: The moon’s crust is much harder than presumed. Remember the extreme difficulty the astronauts encountered when they tried to drill into the maria? Surprise! The maria is composed primarily illeminite, a mineral containing large amounts of titanium, the same metal used to fabricate the hulls of deep-diving submarines and the skin of the SR-71 "Blackbird". Uranium 236 and neptunium 237 (elements not found in nature on Earth) were discovered in lunar rocks, as were rustproof iron particles.
12. Moon’s Origin: Before the astronauts’ moon rocks conclusively disproved the theory, the moon was believed to have originated when a chunk of Earth broke off eons ago (who knows from where?). Another theory was that the moon was created from leftover "space dust" remaining after the Earth was created. Analysis of the composition of moon rocks disproved this theory also. Another popular theory is that the moon was somehow "captured" by the Earth’s gravitational attraction. But no evidence exists to support this theory. Isaac Asimov, stated, "It’s too big to have been captured by the Earth. The chances of such a capture having been effected and the moon then having taken up nearly circular orbit around our Earth are too small to make such an eventuality credible."
13. Weird Orbit: Our moon is the only moon in the solar system that has a stationary, near-perfect circular orbit. Stranger still, the moon’s center of mass is about 6000 feet closer to the Earth than its geometric center (which should cause wobbling), but the moon’s bulge is on the far side of the moon, away from the Earth. "Something" had to put the moon in orbit with its precise altitude, course, and speed.
14. Moon Diameter: How does one explain the "coincidence" that the moon is just the right distance, coupled with just the right diameter, to completely cover the sun during an eclipse? Again, Isaac Asimov responds, "There is no astronomical reason why the moon and the sun should fit so well. It is the sheerest of coincidences, and only the Earth among all the planets is blessed in this fashion."
15. Spaceship Moon: As outrageous as the Moon-Is-a-Spaceship Theory is, all of the above items are resolved if one assumes that the moon is a gigantic extraterrestrial craft, brought here eons ago by intelligent beings. This is the only theory that is supported by all of the data, and there are no data that contradict this theory.





Greek authors Aristotle and Plutarch, and Roman authors Apolllonius Rhodius and Ovid all wrote of a group of people called the Proselenes who lived in the central mountainous area of Greece called Arcadia The Proselenes claimed title to this area because their forebears were there "before there was a moon in the heavens." This claim is substantiated by symbols on the wall of the Courtyard of Kalasasaya, near the city of Tiahuanaco, Bolivia, which record that the moon came into orbit around the Earth between 11,500 and 13, 000 years ago, long before recorded history.
1. Ages of Flashes: Aristarchus, Plato, Eratosthenes, Biela, Rabbi Levi, and Posidonius all reported anomalous lights on the moon. NASA, one year before the first lunar landing, reported 570+ lights and flashes were observed on the moon from 1540 to 1967.
2. Operation Moon Blink: NASA’s Operation Moon Blink detected 28 lunar events in a relatively short period of time.
3. Lunar Bridge: On July 29, 1953, John J. O’Neill observed a 12-mile-long bridge straddling the crater Mare Crisium. In August, British astronomer Dr. H.P. Wilkens verified its presence, "It looks artificial. It’s almost incredible that such a thing could have been formed in the first instance, or if it was formed, could have lasted during the ages in which the moon has been in existence.
4. The Shard: The Shard, an obelisk-shaped object that towers 1½ miles from the Ukert area of the moon’s surface, was discovered by Orbiter 3 in 1968. Dr. Bruce Cornet, who studied the amazing photographs, stated, "No known natural process can explain such a structure."
5. The Tower: One of the most curious features ever photographed on the Lunar surface (Lunar Orbiter photograph III-84M) is an amazing spire that rises more than 5 miles from the Sinus Medii region of the lunar surface.
6. The Obelisks: Lunar Orbiter II took several photographs in November 1966 that showed several obelisks, one of which was more than 150 feet tall. ". . . the spires were arranged in precisely the same was as the apices of the three great pyramids."

Don Ecker, Long Saga of Lunar Anomalies, UFO magazine, Vol. 10, Nol 2 (March/April 1995), p. 23.
Ibid., p. 24
Ibid.
Six Mysterious Statuesque Shadows Photographed on the Moon by Orbiter, The Washington Post, Nov. 22, 1966, p. 1.

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PostWed Oct 14, 2009 10:01 pm » by Lowsix


Ive got this one.

The mass on the near side of the moon is slightly (approx 1/5 -1/15) MORE dense on the side that faces us, and over type the orbits have become (this isnt the exact term for this phenomenon) synchronous (due to gravity) to keep the mass-heavy face pointed toward us at all times. (the moon DOES rotate on its axis, but at the same speed at which it rotates around the earth..and theres a specific term for that, cant remember it at the moment)

This observation was verified by the gravity sensors on the Chandryan Probe the Indians sent recently, where they measured gravitational anomalies on the facing side. (anomalies were found all over the moon, but a greater portion of them existed on the side facing the earth)

Some groups assert that it is proof of the Hollow Moon Theory, but others simply assert that its a normal mass differential that does not appear as Evident in most other heavenly bodies since they are not in such close proximity to an object of the Moon:Earth ratio. (even though it does NOT mean that there isnt a hollow or less dense CENTER, it just means that either way, the side facing us, contains more density or mass, which will exert a slightly more aggressive gravitational effect)

It is presumed at some point when we acquired it in its orbit, it spun on its axis faster or slower than it does now, to where there was a possibility that humans at some point in history would have seen more than once face, but this has not been the case in human recorded history, as all drawn images record the face we now see.

Thats the story i heard, and i gotta stick to it.

And thats HARDLY a dumb question man..seriously.

Thats one of the Killer questions actually, and who know? Maybe its the wrong answer, but its the one ive been given anytime ive asked astronomers and geologists..so i take their word for it, for now..
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PostWed Oct 14, 2009 10:03 pm » by Drextin


the only incorrect statement is.......

13. Weird Orbit: Our moon is the only moon in the solar system that has a stationary, near-perfect circular orbit. Stranger still, the moon’s center of mass is about 6000 feet closer to the Earth than its geometric center (which should cause wobbling), but the moon’s bulge is on the far side of the moon, away from the Earth. "Something" had to put the moon in orbit with its precise altitude, course, and speed.


thats not accurate. the gas giants have a few..........funny thing is all of theirs are basically only trapped asteroids..........not planetoids like our moon.
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PostWed Oct 14, 2009 10:06 pm » by brillbilly


oh we are doing our homework well,lol :hugging: :cheers:

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PostWed Oct 14, 2009 10:11 pm » by Drextin


man we came out in force on this one. i'm telling ya brill i'm moving the hollow moon theory out of the debunked section damnit and putting it back on the table for discussion!
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PostWed Oct 14, 2009 10:19 pm » by Slith


LowSix wrote:Ive got this one.

The mass on the near side of the moon is slightly (approx 1/5 -1/15) MORE dense on the side that faces us, and over type the orbits have become (this isnt the exact term for this phenomenon) synchronous (due to gravity) to keep the mass-heavy face pointed toward us at all times. (the moon DOES rotate on its axis, but at the same speed at which it rotates around the earth..and theres a specific term for that, cant remember it at the moment)

This observation was verified by the gravity sensors on the Chandryan Probe the Indians sent recently, where they measured gravitational anomalies on the facing side. (anomalies were found all over the moon, but a greater portion of them existed on the side facing the earth)

Some groups assert that it is proof of the Hollow Moon Theory, but others simply assert that its a normal mass differential that does not appear as Evident in most other heavenly bodies since they are not in such close proximity to an object of the Moon:Earth ratio. (even though it does NOT mean that there isnt a hollow or less dense CENTER, it just means that either way, the side facing us, contains more density or mass, which will exert a slightly more aggressive gravitational effect)

It is presumed at some point when we acquired it in its orbit, it spun on its axis faster or slower than it does now, to where there was a possibility that humans at some point in history would have seen more than once face, but this has not been the case in human recorded history, as all drawn images record the face we now see.

Thats the story i heard, and i gotta stick to it.

And thats HARDLY a dumb question man..seriously.

Thats one of the Killer questions actually, and who know? Maybe its the wrong answer, but its the one ive been given anytime ive asked astronomers and geologists..so i take their word for it, for now..

Low,
I was actually going to bring this theory up on another moon thread on here. It makes sense. Didn't think it was prudent to the topic of the thread though. Question is how would they be able to determine the density. With a sonar like device?
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PostWed Oct 14, 2009 10:21 pm » by Drextin


there you are slith my moon brother.........i was just about to go leave you a message telling you about this thread.
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