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PostSun Sep 21, 2008 8:25 pm » by Truthseeker


empty you banks go to the hills and take cover war is comming to you america verry soon :evil: get food gold or silver ditch the dollar get plenty of water find a place to grow food and wait .the nothings coming verry soon . :idea:

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PostMon Sep 22, 2008 1:59 am » by Truthseeker


Iran, the U.N. and the U.S.S. Liberty

Mark Glenn – The Ugly Truth September 20, 2008

Well folks, it is time to finally let the cat out of the bag. My co-host of the Liberty Hour radio program (found at www.republicbroadcasting.org) USS Liberty survivor Phil Tourney and I want this story out there just in case anything untoward happens to either (or both) of us as well as making sure that the record is set straight in the event President Ahmadinejhad of Iran is not allowed to speak on the floor of the UN General assembly.

Earlier this week, I released a piece I wrote entitled ‘Killing The Messenger Before He Arrives–The Real Reason For Israel’s Latest Threat To Kidnap Ahmadinejhad’ in which I put forth the theory that the reason Israel is threatening to kidnap Ahmadinejhad and why the US has (at least as of this moment) denied him an entry visa into the US is because he might ‘possibly’ be planning on divulging information ‘so embarrassing’ to Israel and the US that it would prevent them from launching an attack on Iran.

Well the truth of the matter is, we know a lot more about this than the article suggests and the wordcraft I used in the article was me ‘playing dumb’ until I had a better handle on what Israel and the US were planning to do with regards to Ahmadinejhad being allowed to come to the UN. Now, just a few days before he is scheduled to speak he is not being given the opportunity and therefore Phil and I have decided that it is time to strike out with the truth.

The fact is this–There was the very good likelihood Ahmadinejhad was going to discuss Israel’s attack on the USS Liberty on the floor of the UN General Assembly or (per our request) even that he would yield 3 minutes of his time to give USS Liberty survivor Phil Tourney an opportunity to tell the world what Israel did to him and his shipmates 41 years ago.

Phil and I have no doubt that in the 2 months we were putting this thing together that our conversations regarding this were being monitored as well as our emails. As soon as we got word from our contact in Iran (who works closely with the president) that he was very positively disposed towards our request and that he had ordered his staff to assemble as much information on the USS Liberty possible, BOOM!!!–Israel threatens to kidnap him. This, coupled with the US preventing his visa into the US when the request was made months ago cannot be mere coincidence, and anyone who believes Israel is not listening in on every conversation going in and out of Iran needs to come into the 21st century.

Our hope was that by mentioning the unmentionable topic of Israel’s attack on the USS Liberty 41 years ago (as well as the subsequent cover-up by the US government) that it would start a chain reaction of awareness–not only in the US, but all over the world–that would in essence draw a big red circle around Israel, where her past, present and future proclivity towards false flag operations would come under intense scrutiny, thus precluding her ability to launch another made-to-order event that would lead to the war to end all wars.

Therefore, Phil and I are requesting that everyone reading this press release shout it from the top of your lungs–THAT THE REASON AHMADINEJHAD IS BEING PREVENTED FROM SPEAKING AT THE UN IS BECAUSE HE MOST LIKELY PLANS TO DISCUSS THE ONE STRAW THAT MAY BREAK THE CAMEL’S BACK WITH REGARDS TO THE DANGEROUS FRIENDSHIP BETWEEN THE US AND ISRAEL–ISRAEL’S ATTACK ON THE USS LIBERTY.

Now, just as it was 41 years ago, dark, treacherous and treasonous elements operating within the highest levels of power in the two countries conspired to sink the ship in order to bring the US into Israel’s wars and now, just as they did 41 years ago, they are attempting to hide the truth from the American people. DO NOT LET THEM GET AWAY WITH IT AGAIN. THIS MAY BE THE LAST CHANCE WE HAVE OF SAVING OUR COUNTRY. TELL EVERYONE YOU KNOW THAT IT IS ISRAEL’S ATTACK ON THE USS LIBERTY THAT IS KEEPING AHMADINEJHAD OUT OF THE US!!!

Mark Glenn
Phil Tourney
The Liberty Hour Radio Program

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PostMon Sep 22, 2008 2:41 am » by Truthseeker


. DO NOT LET THEM GET AWAY WITH IT AGAIN. THIS MAY BE THE LAST CHANCE WE HAVE OF SAVING OUR COUNTRY. TELL EVERYONE YOU KNOW THAT IT IS ISRAEL’S ATTACK ON THE USS LIBERTY THAT IS KEEPING AHMADINEJHAD OUT OF THE US!!!

Mark Glenn
Phil Tourney
The Liberty Hour Radio Program

http://www.republicbroadcasting.org

archived show discussing this topic–

http://216.240.133.177/archives32/Glenn ... 100000.mp3

http://216.240.133.177/archives32/Glenn ... 110000.mp3

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PostMon Sep 22, 2008 2:43 am » by Cosmonaut


blinkage wrote:
fatrock386 wrote:Reasons to NOT vote Obama

Usually I just lurk but after seeing you post so many of these videos I felt compelled to confront you. These anti-Obama videos you post over and over are complete trash. Republican propaganda is all they are. I don't like most of the Democrats anymore than you do (I voted Republican in the primaries though certainly not for McCain) and yet I will speak up in defense of Obama here. It is sad that on a site supposedly dedicated to truth that you haven't been laughed off of here already. I used to really enjoy watching your non-political videos but now I stay far away from ANYTHING posted by fatrock386. If you honestly believe the total bullshit you post about Obama then I really cannot trust your judgment in the area of UFOs, paranormal, or anything else because your truth detector is seriously damaged.


Aha another sensible Republican, welcome!!! It seems we are few and far between so please lurk no more.
Blinkage I brought up this point before and didn't get very far as you can't speak to Fatrock, he's a loony :flop:
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Now I just insult him with a bit of reason and knowledge and foul language. :D

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PostMon Sep 22, 2008 3:16 am » by Darkplanet


truthsekr76 wrote:
blinkage wrote:
fatrock386 wrote:Reasons to NOT vote Obama

Usually I just lurk but after seeing you post so many of these videos I felt compelled to confront you. These anti-Obama videos you post over and over are complete trash. Republican propaganda is all they are. I don't like most of the Democrats anymore than you do (I voted Republican in the primaries though certainly not for McCain) and yet I will speak up in defense of Obama here. It is sad that on a site supposedly dedicated to truth that you haven't been laughed off of here already. I used to really enjoy watching your non-political videos but now I stay far away from ANYTHING posted by fatrock386. If you honestly believe the total bullshit you post about Obama then I really cannot trust your judgment in the area of UFOs, paranormal, or anything else because your truth detector is seriously damaged.


Amen Brother :flop: :flop: :flop:


Triple Amen...Oh and Fatrock HAS been laughed off here already, he just can't take the hint.

He's a bit like an oil executive trying to persuade an environmental research firm that gas is good for the planet. He doesn't seem to understand that visitors to this site typically RESEARCH what others say to form a balanced opinion, rather than swallowing spin garbage wholesale like some fanatic. He's desperately out of step with the majority that visit disclose.tv.

And I'll agree also that some of Fatrock's non-political videos did initially interest me but since he's been such an asshat I tend to avoid his posts completely. I mean how can you trust anything the guy posts when most of it is such obvious horse manure?

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PostMon Sep 22, 2008 7:54 am » by Blinkage


darkplanet wrote:Triple Amen...Oh and Fatrock HAS been laughed off here already, he just can't take the hint.

He's a bit like an oil executive trying to persuade an environmental research firm that gas is good for the planet. He doesn't seem to understand that visitors to this site typically RESEARCH what others say to form a balanced opinion, rather than swallowing spin garbage wholesale like some fanatic. He's desperately out of step with the majority that visit disclose.tv.

And I'll agree also that some of Fatrock's non-political videos did initially interest me but since he's been such an asshat I tend to avoid his posts completely. I mean how can you trust anything the guy posts when most of it is such obvious horse manure?


Glad to see everyone speak up! I was worried for a minute there :D

This forum is lucky to have people like you and the other sane people who quoted me who have the patience to give articulate responses and help the masses understand why what he posts is bullshit. Me on the other hand, I can't even take him seriously. After reading the thread where fatrock was called out (and seeing people actually support him and call everyone else liberals lol) I almost think they are playing a practical joke on us by parodying dumbass anchors from Faux News or something. Think about it...

fatrock: Ok dude this time I'll be Hannity
jerk#2: I call Bill O
jerk#3: You always get Bill O! Fine I guess I'll be Malkin

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PostMon Sep 22, 2008 8:14 am » by Lowmank


Bush Called For Reform of Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac 17 Times in 2008 Alone... Dems Ignored Warnings

For many years the President and his Administration have not only warned of the systemic consequences of financial turmoil at a housing government-sponsored enterprise (GSE) but also put forward thoughtful plans to reduce the risk that either Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac would encounter such difficulties. President Bush publicly called for GSE reform 17 times in 2008 alone before Congress acted.

Unfortunately, these warnings went unheeded, as the President's repeated attempts to reform the supervision of these entities were thwarted by the legislative maneuvering of those who emphatically denied there were problems.

The White House released this list of attempts by President Bush to reform Freddie Mae and Freddie Mac since he took office in 2001.
Unfortunately, Congress did not act on the president's warnings:

** 2001

April: The Administration's FY02 budget declares that the size of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is "a potential problem," because "financial trouble of a large GSE could cause strong repercussions in financial markets, affecting Federally insured entities and economic activity."

** 2002

May: The President calls for the disclosure and corporate governance principles contained in his 10-point plan for corporate responsibility to apply to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. (OMB Prompt Letter to OFHEO, 5/29/02)

** 2003

January: Freddie Mac announces it has to restate financial results for the previous three years.

February: The Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight (OFHEO) releases a report explaining that "although investors perceive an implicit Federal guarantee of [GSE] obligations," "the government has provided no explicit legal backing for them." As a consequence, unexpected problems at a GSE could immediately spread into financial sectors beyond the housing market. ("Systemic Risk: Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and the Role of OFHEO," OFHEO Report, 2/4/03)

September: Fannie Mae discloses SEC investigation and acknowledges OFHEO's review found earnings manipulations.

September: Treasury Secretary John Snow testifies before the House Financial Services Committee to recommend that Congress enact "legislation to create a new Federal agency to regulate and supervise the financial activities of our housing-related government sponsored enterprises" and set prudent and appropriate minimum capital adequacy requirements.

October: Fannie Mae discloses $1.2 billion accounting error.

November: Council of the Economic Advisers (CEA) Chairman Greg Mankiw explains that any "legislation to reform GSE regulation should empower the new regulator with sufficient strength and credibility to reduce systemic risk." To reduce the potential for systemic instability, the regulator would have "broad authority to set both risk-based and minimum capital standards" and "receivership powers necessary to wind down the affairs of a troubled GSE." (N. Gregory Mankiw, Remarks At The Conference Of State Bank Supervisors State Banking Summit And Leadership, 11/6/03)

** 2004

February: The President's FY05 Budget again highlights the risk posed by the explosive growth of the GSEs and their low levels of required capital, and called for creation of a new, world-class regulator: "The Administration has determined that the safety and soundness regulators of the housing GSEs lack sufficient power and stature to meet their responsibilities, and therefore…should be replaced with a new strengthened regulator." (2005 Budget Analytic Perspectives, pg. 83)

February: CEA Chairman Mankiw cautions Congress to "not take [the financial market's] strength for granted." Again, the call from the Administration was to reduce this risk by "ensuring that the housing GSEs are overseen by an effective regulator." (N. Gregory Mankiw, Op-Ed, "Keeping Fannie And Freddie's House In Order," Financial Times, 2/24/04)

June: Deputy Secretary of Treasury Samuel Bodman spotlights the risk posed by the GSEs and called for reform, saying "We do not have a world-class system of supervision of the housing government sponsored enterprises (GSEs), even though the importance of the housing financial system that the GSEs serve demands the best in supervision to ensure the long-term vitality of that system. Therefore, the Administration has called for a new, first class, regulatory supervisor for the three housing GSEs: Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and the Federal Home Loan Banking System." (Samuel Bodman, House Financial Services Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations Testimony, 6/16/04)

** 2005

April: Treasury Secretary John Snow repeats his call for GSE reform, saying "Events that have transpired since I testified before this Committee in 2003 reinforce concerns over the systemic risks posed by the GSEs and further highlight the need for real GSE reform to ensure that our housing finance system remains a strong and vibrant source of funding for expanding homeownership opportunities in America… Half-measures will only exacerbate the risks to our financial system." (Secretary John W. Snow, "Testimony Before The U.S. House Financial Services Committee," 4/13/05)

** 2007

July: Two Bear Stearns hedge funds invested in mortgage securities collapse.

August: President Bush emphatically calls on Congress to pass a reform package for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, saying "first things first when it comes to those two institutions. Congress needs to get them reformed, get them streamlined, get them focused, and then I will consider other options." (President George W. Bush, Press Conference, The White House, 8/9/07)

September: RealtyTrac announces foreclosure filings up 243,000 in August – up 115 percent from the year before.

September: Single-family existing home sales decreases 7.5 percent from the previous month – the lowest level in nine years. Median sale price of existing homes fell six percent from the year before.

December: President Bush again warns Congress of the need to pass legislation reforming GSEs, saying "These institutions provide liquidity in the mortgage market that benefits millions of homeowners, and it is vital they operate safely and operate soundly. So I've called on Congress to pass legislation that strengthens independent regulation of the GSEs – and ensures they focus on their important housing mission. The GSE reform bill passed by the House earlier this year is a good start. But the Senate has not acted. And the United States Senate needs to pass this legislation soon." (President George W. Bush, Discusses Housing, The White House, 12/6/07)

** 2008

January: Bank of America announces it will buy Countrywide.

January: Citigroup announces mortgage portfolio lost $18.1 billion in value.

February: Assistant Secretary David Nason reiterates the urgency of reforms, says "A new regulatory structure for the housing GSEs is essential if these entities are to continue to perform their public mission successfully." (David Nason, Testimony On Reforming GSE Regulation, Senate Committee On Banking, Housing And Urban Affairs, 2/7/08)

March: Bear Stearns announces it will sell itself to JPMorgan Chase.

March: President Bush calls on Congress to take action and "move forward with reforms on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. They need to continue to modernize the FHA, as well as allow State housing agencies to issue tax-free bonds to homeowners to refinance their mortgages." (President George W. Bush, Remarks To The Economic Club Of New York, New York, NY, 3/14/08)

April: President Bush urges Congress to pass the much needed legislation and "modernize Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. [There are] constructive things Congress can do that will encourage the housing market to correct quickly by … helping people stay in their homes." (President George W. Bush, Meeting With Cabinet, the White House, 4/14/08)

May: President Bush issues several pleas to Congress to pass legislation reforming Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac before the situation deteriorates further.

"Americans are concerned about making their mortgage payments and keeping their homes. Yet Congress has failed to pass legislation I have repeatedly requested to modernize the Federal Housing Administration that will help more families stay in their homes, reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to ensure they focus on their housing mission, and allow State housing agencies to issue tax-free bonds to refinance sub-prime loans." (President George W. Bush, Radio Address, 5/3/08)

"[T]he government ought to be helping creditworthy people stay in their homes. And one way we can do that – and Congress is making progress on this – is the reform of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. That reform will come with a strong, independent regulator." (President George W. Bush, Meeting With The Secretary Of The Treasury, the White House, 5/19/08)

"Congress needs to pass legislation to modernize the Federal Housing Administration, reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to ensure they focus on their housing mission, and allow State housing agencies to issue tax-free bonds to refinance subprime loans." (President George W. Bush, Radio Address, 5/31/08)

June: As foreclosure rates continued to rise in the first quarter, the President once again asks Congress to take the necessary measures to address this challenge, saying "we need to pass legislation to reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac." (President George W. Bush, Remarks At Swearing In Ceremony For Secretary Of Housing And Urban Development, Washington, D.C., 6/6/08)

July: Congress heeds the President's call for action and passes reform of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as it becomes clear that the institutions are failing.

In 2005-- Senator John McCain partnered with three other Senate Republicans to reform the government’s involvement in lending.
Democrats blocked this reform, too.

More... Not only did democrats not act on these warnings but Barack Obama put one of the major Sub-Prime Slime players on his campaign as finance chairperson.

UPDATE: The media is not reporting that the failed financial institutions are big Obama donors.

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PostMon Sep 22, 2008 8:16 am » by Lowmank


http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=28620

“We have outlived the short-term and are suffering from the long-run consequences of [Keynesian government] policies.” --Ludwig von Mises

In 1918, at the end of the First World War, Randolph Bourne wrote his famous line, "War is the health of the state." Now, 90 years later, in the midst of a financial world war, we can expand that quote to say, "A Wall Street crisis is the health of the state."

What! The SEC under Republican “conservative” Chris Cox bans short selling.

The Bush adminstration and Congress seek to create a new Resolution Trust Corp. to buy up and eventually liquidate bad investments in real estate.

Congress wants to extend Federal deposit insurance on money market funds.

In sum, the Federal government is engaged in a massive intervention in the financial markets to keep the market from collapsing. The result is nothing less than a collectivist state. Collectivism is not quite socialism, where the government owns and operates the economy. Rather, it requires businesses to be regulated for some theoretical "common" good. It is free in name only because the government so heavily regulates private enterprise.

Financial crises and economic turndowns tend to increase the power of the state.

-- The Great Depression brought us the Securities and Exchange Commission and the The Glass Steagall Act, which created the Federal Deposit Insurance for bank deposits and separated banking and brokerage businesses.

--The scandals of Enron and Worldcom brought us Sarbanes-Oxley Act, the draconian and expensive accounting rules, in 2002.

It’s uncertain at this point what kind of straight jacket Wall Street institutions and Main Street investors will face when Congress and the Fed get through this crisis.

Who is the Real Culprit?

Part of the problem is that most of the media and government officials don’t understand the true cause of this crisis. Judging from recent statements by the presidential candidates (both Obama and McCain) and business leaders (such as Donald Trump), they are blaming this entire crisis on greedy corporate leaders, speculators and short sellers. Keynesian economists blame it on the “inherent instability” and “animal spirits” of greedy capitalists engaging in excessive speculation and leverage in enticing new but unregulated financial instruments, such as subprime ARMs (adjusted rate mortgages), CMOs (collateralized mortgage obligations) and CDOs (credit default swaps).

The real culprits, however, are government agencies (Congress, Fed, SEC) which created the boom-bust excesses in real estate in the first place. Congressional leaders constantly promoted through new legislation home ownership by high-risk borrowers (sub-prime lending).

The recently government-imposed “mark-to-market” accounting regulations didn’t help either. It forced mortgage companies and banks to write down mortgages to zero simply because they couldn’t be sold, even if they were still being paid by customers. As a result, we’ve seen financial tornadoes causing institutions to be downgraded and in some cases to completely collapse.

Governments both here and abroad attempted to heat up the economy through easy money, beyond the natural capacity of technology, saving, and capital formation. The broad-based money supply (M2) grew by double digit rates in developing countries and even faster in emerging markets (Russia, India and China). The Fed cut short-term interest rates to 1% in 2004, far below the natural rate of interest, and thus caused an artificial boom in real estate, junk bonds, and other assets.

Now we are witnessing the unintended and perverse consequences of their contrived agenda. Yes, there was corporate greed in response to the bad incentives created by government agencies. Normally, as Adam Smith and other classical economists point out, the commercial society moderate the passions of greed, but when government intervenes, greed can get out of hand.

Inflation and easy money are never neutral in its effects. Followers of Ludwig von Mises and Friedrich Hayek of the Austrian school of economics have long warned about the risks inherent in artificially stimulating the economy by cutting interest rates below the natural rate and inflating the money supply. It can cause an unsustainable surge, destabilize the economy in unexpected ways, and threaten a wholesale depression and crash on Wall Street. Today the Austrian theory of the business cycle offers the best explanation of what’s going on. (For more information, see my book “Vienna and Chicago, Friends or Foes?”)

Real Financial Reform

What’s the solution to this crisis?

First, let’s return to sound money. The Fed should stop shifting back and forth from easy money to tight money, from lowering interest rates to raising them. The Fed and other central banks must adopt a systematic policy of stable money. The price of gold should be a good barometer in providing monetary stability and genuine growth.

Second, the government should be reluctant to come to the rescue of every major corporation or bank. When the state socializes losses, it creates what economists call “moral hazard,” which encourages businesses and banking institutions to take on excessive risk in their ventures, knowing that the government will cover up their mistakes. Government guarantees, including insurance on bank deposits and brokerage accounts, can be costly, encouraging irresponsible behavior in the future.

I was glad to see the Bush administration refuse to bail out Lehman Brothers. In the 1990s, the giant investment banking firm Drexel Burnham Lambert was allowed to go under, and the economy survived and prospered. It’s an important lesson.

It would also be great if the new president would preserve the 15% tax break for dividends and long-term capital gains, and reduce the corporate income tax, following the trend in Europe and Asia. These measures would help strengthen the dollar and create jobs. But with Obama leading in the futures markets, the outlook for tax breaks for investors isn’t good.

These are real changes. While waiting for them to be implemented, investors should ride out the storm by investing conservatively, being well-diversified both here and abroad, and holding a safe haven in cash and gold.

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PostMon Sep 22, 2008 8:18 am » by Lowmank


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