Right to Travel or privilege to drive?

[Iwanci Profile]

One part of the law that is often missed is the ‘intention’ of the law. The intention f the law plays a great part in the final decision passed down by judges, justices etc. Their job is to interpret the law and where ambiguity exists they revert to the intent of the law...

I personally understand the issues created when ‘people’ who are meant to be the guardians and enforcers of the law overstep their roles and become judge, jury and executioner... the issues surrounding the abuse of ‘power’ and ‘control’ extend to almost every facet of life, workplace, home, almost wherever there are congregations of people the struggle for power will exist, albeit in varying forms. It is these ‘people’ and enforcers that are the main problem with the cases you Have all described, but only in that there may have been an overly heavy handed approach to many unwarranted situations. YES law enforcers ARE brainwashed, I know this to be fact, and YES they are almost converted into robots, this is for varying reasons, mostly well founded however the undesired consequence.

For every ‘sad’ story of ‘injustice’ ONE person puts up, I can match it with an even sadder story of injustice that an innocent victim can tell... a visit to your local trauma centres will show you why we have laws in our countries, road rules, driving rights and privileges.

So someone gets caught several times for a DUI and the result is heavy penalties, loss of license, and possible incarceration... so what? You know the rules before you get into your vehicle, you are dumb enough to break the rule, you take the risk and you pay the price if you get caught. Conversely, what if ANY of these heart throbbed story tellers lost control of their vehicle and smashed into a bus stop crowded with children?

I DO believe that some laws need to be seriously reviewed and updated. I do believe that law enforcers over exert their authorities and some (I know firsthand) are outright liars, corrupt and power hungry, I DO believe that ‘injustices’ occur and that sometimes innocent people get punished and I DO believe that sometimes the penalty does not match the crime...and I also DO believe that revenue raising is a major contributor in law making at the lower ends...

But I also believe that these laws serve to protect the average citizen, regardless of issues, ONE life saved is well worth inconvenience. Want to drive, do so RESPONSIBLY, or face the music (you may not like the tune however).

[Mydogma Profile Website]

One part of the law that is often missed is the ‘intention’ of the law. The intention f the law plays a great part in the final decision passed down by judges, justices etc. Their job is to interpret the law and where ambiguity exists they revert to the intent of the law...

I personally understand the issues created when ‘people’ who are meant to be the guardians and enforcers of the law overstep their roles and become judge, jury and executioner... the issues surrounding the abuse of ‘power’ and ‘control’ extend to almost every facet of life, workplace, home, almost wherever there are congregations of people the struggle for power will exist, albeit in varying forms. It is these ‘people’ and enforcers that are the main problem with the cases you Have all described, but only in that there may have been an overly heavy handed approach to many unwarranted situations. YES law enforcers ARE brainwashed, I know this to be fact, and YES they are almost converted into robots, this is for varying reasons, mostly well founded however the undesired consequence.

For every ‘sad’ story of ‘injustice’ ONE person puts up, I can match it with an even sadder story of injustice that an innocent victim can tell... a visit to your local trauma centres will show you why we have laws in our countries, road rules, driving rights and privileges.

So someone gets caught several times for a DUI and the result is heavy penalties, loss of license, and possible incarceration... so what? You know the rules before you get into your vehicle, you are dumb enough to break the rule, you take the risk and you pay the price if you get caught. Conversely, what if ANY of these heart throbbed story tellers lost control of their vehicle and smashed into a bus stop crowded with children?

I DO believe that some laws need to be seriously reviewed and updated. I do believe that law enforcers over exert their authorities and some (I know firsthand) are outright liars, corrupt and power hungry, I DO believe that ‘injustices’ occur and that sometimes innocent people get punished and I DO believe that sometimes the penalty does not match the crime...and I also DO believe that revenue raising is a major contributor in law making at the lower ends...

But I also believe that these laws serve to protect the average citizen, regardless of issues, ONE life saved is well worth inconvenience. Want to drive, do so RESPONSIBLY, or face the music (you may not like the tune however).

Well there once was a time i agreed...and as far as someone cauzing chaos in the community, i agree, u make ur bed..but in reality society has always found a way to deal with the minor/major trouble peoples..but if you look at the large picture..the laws clearly have not been written for the benifet of the communities..but for lobbied big corp...they have raped livilyhoods from many many good intentioned people..we live in a system that holds any joe average to T and dot the i's...yet the ptb pay a fine line and next day back to biz..doing the same criminal activity...just to pay andother fine..if caught..we dont get what we deserve...we deserve to walk in peace, without harrassment and not have our mail checkedd our phones tapped...i culd think of greater thieves to tapp...but no cuz they have rites..and great lawyers...

[Mrmcnuggets Profile]

One part of the law that is often missed is the ‘intention’ of the law. The intention f the law plays a great part in the final decision passed down by judges, justices etc. Their job is to interpret the law and where ambiguity exists they revert to the intent of the law...

I personally understand the issues created when ‘people’ who are meant to be the guardians and enforcers of the law overstep their roles and become judge, jury and executioner... the issues surrounding the abuse of ‘power’ and ‘control’ extend to almost every facet of life, workplace, home, almost wherever there are congregations of people the struggle for power will exist, albeit in varying forms. It is these ‘people’ and enforcers that are the main problem with the cases you Have all described, but only in that there may have been an overly heavy handed approach to many unwarranted situations. YES law enforcers ARE brainwashed, I know this to be fact, and YES they are almost converted into robots, this is for varying reasons, mostly well founded however the undesired consequence.

For every ‘sad’ story of ‘injustice’ ONE person puts up, I can match it with an even sadder story of injustice that an innocent victim can tell... a visit to your local trauma centres will show you why we have laws in our countries, road rules, driving rights and privileges.

So someone gets caught several times for a DUI and the result is heavy penalties, loss of license, and possible incarceration... so what? You know the rules before you get into your vehicle, you are dumb enough to break the rule, you take the risk and you pay the price if you get caught. Conversely, what if ANY of these heart throbbed story tellers lost control of their vehicle and smashed into a bus stop crowded with children?

I DO believe that some laws need to be seriously reviewed and updated. I do believe that law enforcers over exert their authorities and some (I know firsthand) are outright liars, corrupt and power hungry, I DO believe that ‘injustices’ occur and that sometimes innocent people get punished and I DO believe that sometimes the penalty does not match the crime...and I also DO believe that revenue raising is a major contributor in law making at the lower ends...

But I also believe that these laws serve to protect the average citizen, regardless of issues, ONE life saved is well worth inconvenience. Want to drive, do so RESPONSIBLY, or face the music (you may not like the tune however).

Well there once was a time i agreed...and as far as someone cauzing chaos in the community, i agree, u make ur bed..but in reality society has always found a way to deal with the minor/major trouble peoples..but if you look at the large picture..the laws clearly have not been written for the benifet of the communities..but for lobbied big corp...they have raped livilyhoods from many many good intentioned people..we live in a system that holds any joe average to T and dot the i's...yet the ptb pay a fine line and next day back to biz..doing the same criminal activity...just to pay andother fine..if caught..we dont get what we deserve...we deserve to walk in peace, without harrassment and not have our mail checkedd our phones tapped...i culd think of greater thieves to tapp...but no cuz they have rites..and great lawyers...

IMHO the problem relies with freeloaders, theifs ect.
All of these taxes are imposed to uphold justice or regulation or how ever they want to put it.
There is certainly enough reason to give the Natives benefits. They are pretty much a dying breed. The africans, deserve compensation if they are a direct descendant of a slave or should just get free travel back to Africa. But for these retards(not just black people, but political refugees in general) come over here, get free section 8s, free food stamps, free drivers Ed, free school. FUCK THAT. I'm not giving them a fucking dime unless they give me one in return.

But that, is a major problem with this country. States get tax breaks on the amount of refugees they accept every year, they also get breaks on the amount of people claiming section 8 housing, and food stamps, or assisted living, also breaks with the amount of old people that live in their state. So with all these refugees, that each state accepted to take free of charge to help them out, can in turn actually waste millions of our tax dollars, while at the same time claiming that loss as a charity.

[Iwanci Profile]

mydogma, I agree with you mate with regards to over regulation and the so called 'PTB' intruding in our lives. This I see as a separate issue though to the driving rules. The rules of the road are the same for ALL road users, agree that there is corruption and an overuse of force in cases here as well, but overall the system works in keeping fatalities down.

The problem with many laws is that they have not kept up with the rapidly changing times, so we have laws that are outdated and do not serve a real purpose in today's life. We need to change these laws, agreed.

Obuse of power by law enforcers, outdated laws, corruption that sees many injustices, punishments not fitting the crime, etc etc ALL agreed, these problems DO exist.

But lets' hve a balanced argument on these issues and see ALL sides of the picture, because I can tell you that the other side may be equally if not more disturbing. There are many cases that go to courts where the victim is left in a worst state of mind than before and the guilty person seemingly unscathed.

I break the law in that I have at times exceeded the speed limit (not by much), and I have had several infringment notices and fines which I reluctantly paid, and this pissed me off no end because at times the excess speed was rediculously low eg. 106 Klms per hour on a freeway with no traffic where the limit was 100 Kph. 6 klms over with no danger to anyone cost me $299 and the loss of demerit points. Travelling with my sick father ran an amber light at 50kph, police pulled me over and swore the light was red, it was amber and they were stopped at the red light at the intersection, lost that one because it was them v's us. Many other examples of injustices, we have roads where I live where the speed limit alters approx 8 times along a 2 klm strecth of road, blink and you miss the next speed sign... Many many cases of injustices.

However, the flip side, if it saves one life, so be it, I will reluctantly wear the blame and pay the fine. DUI's are a different story for me, drink and drive to the point where you cannot control the vehicle and you suffer the consequences. Forget the laws for one second, people should simply be smarter and more aware than that.

Agree with you but there are cases, and there are cases.

[Mydogma Profile Website]

mydogma, I agree with you mate with regards to over regulation and the so called 'PTB' intruding in our lives. This I see as a separate issue though to the driving rules. The rules of the road are the same for ALL road users, agree that there is corruption and an overuse of force in cases here as well, but overall the system works in keeping fatalities down.

The problem with many laws is that they have not kept up with the rapidly changing times, so we have laws that are outdated and do not serve a real purpose in today's life. We need to change these laws, agreed.

Obuse of power by law enforcers, outdated laws, corruption that sees many injustices, punishments not fitting the crime, etc etc ALL agreed, these problems DO exist.

But lets' hve a balanced argument on these issues and see ALL sides of the picture, because I can tell you that the other side may be equally if not more disturbing. There are many cases that go to courts where the victim is left in a worst state of mind than before and the guilty person seemingly unscathed.

I break the law in that I have at times exceeded the speed limit (not by much), and I have had several infringment notices and fines which I reluctantly paid, and this pissed me off no end because at times the excess speed was rediculously low eg. 106 Klms per hour on a freeway with no traffic where the limit was 100 Kph. 6 klms over with no danger to anyone cost me $299 and the loss of demerit points. Travelling with my sick father ran an amber light at 50kph, police pulled me over and swore the light was red, it was amber and they were stopped at the red light at the intersection, lost that one because it was them v's us. Many other examples of injustices, we have roads where I live where the speed limit alters approx 8 times along a 2 klm strecth of road, blink and you miss the next speed sign... Many many cases of injustices.

However, the flip side, if it saves one life, so be it, I will reluctantly wear the blame and pay the fine. DUI's are a different story for me, drink and drive to the point where you cannot control the vehicle and you suffer the consequences. Forget the laws for one second, people should simply be smarter and more aware than that.

Agree with you but there are cases, and there are cases.

For sure...i just see the bulk of our system focuses on the small guy..and if u added all the small guys together with all the petty stuff..it wouldnt come close to the trillions theirved by the industrial complex...if they dont want us to speed...pput up millions of speed cameras with automatic billing, red lights same thing, if they dont want dui..mandate all new cars have a five buck blow and go system..think of how many cops could be freed up,..as well as fare..the blonde or politician doesnt get off..then these cops could be educated on the constitutions of the land and focus their energys on the murderes..corporate and political theices...they are far mor damaging to society then u not wearing your seatbelt...cheers!

[Iwanci Profile]

Mydogma, are you suggesting that there are better ways to stop many of these traffic violations from occuring in the first place? AGREED!!!!!! YES YES YES...

I agree that speeding tickets etc are in the main revenue raisers. I had an idea many years ago whereby you could introduce electronic speed signs and wire up all cars so that when you drove into a speed zone the car would be speed limited to that speed giving you no chance to over run that limit. I did nothing with my idea... but imagine how we would take to that idea? Would we think 'great, an inventive new way to reduce the road toll'.. or 'great a new inventive way for TPTB to control our movements'?

Why force everyone to breath into a 5 buck system when the vast majority do not need to? Its the minority that have the issues, and the best way to resolve the issues is for that minority to simply control their behaviour.

If we reduced the road accidents significantly, we would then have a right to vote for a representative who would address the unfair road rules, increase speed limits etc to the point where we would most definately see an increase in accidents...

and the cycle continues...

But I do agree with the revenue rasing argument, 100% correct, if revenue drops simply drop the speed limit, that way you are assured of an income...

Our society works by finding solutions to problems, eliminate the problems and the solutions are not required.

[Mydogma Profile Website]

Mydogma, are you suggesting that there are better ways to stop many of these traffic violations from occuring in the first place? AGREED!!!!!! YES YES YES...

I agree that speeding tickets etc are in the main revenue raisers. I had an idea many years ago whereby you could introduce electronic speed signs and wire up all cars so that when you drove into a speed zone the car would be speed limited to that speed giving you no chance to over run that limit. I did nothing with my idea... but imagine how we would take to that idea? Would we think 'great, an inventive new way to reduce the road toll'.. or 'great a new inventive way for TPTB to control our movements'?

Why force everyone to breath into a 5 buck system when the vast majority do not need to? Its the minority that have the issues, and the best way to resolve the issues is for that minority to simply control their behaviour.

If we reduced the road accidents significantly, we would then have a right to vote for a representative who would address the unfair road rules, increase speed limits etc to the point where we would most definately see an increase in accidents...

and the cycle continues...

But I do agree with the revenue rasing argument, 100% correct, if revenue drops simply drop the speed limit, that way you are assured of an income...

Our society works by finding solutions to problems, eliminate the problems and the solutions are not required.

Yep we are ano idea away from any solution...(And i agree with the dui thing, dont make majority suffer becuz of minority...but i think it would be easier to inforce if the judge had the key(authority) to turn the system on if charged and if implented on large scale would be a more catchall
Cheers!)

[Jet17 Profile]

They only way around this is to make cars drive themselves, within electronic parameters.

I guess that would decrease the fatalities dramatically.

look at those Google cars, allegedly the only accidents those things have had was because of a human hitting it.

it's a possibility.

[Mydogma Profile Website]

They only way around this is to make cars drive themselves, within electronic parameters.

I guess that would decrease the fatalities dramatically.

look at those Google cars, allegedly the only accidents those things have had was because of a human hitting it.

it's a possibility.

With the amount that is spent globally on death and distruction..yes anything would be possible..sooner or later we(if we survive) will evolve into the jetsons of sorts..i think we could easily better spend our tax dollars to improve efficiency and fairness int o the system..no need to keep making laws for every instance or possibility..thats how we end up living in 1984..

[Jet17 Profile]

They only way around this is to make cars drive themselves, within electronic parameters.

I guess that would decrease the fatalities dramatically.

look at those Google cars, allegedly the only accidents those things have had was because of a human hitting it.

it's a possibility.

With the amount that is spent globally on death and distruction..yes anything would be possible..sooner or later we(if we survive) will evolve into the jetsons of sorts..i think we could easily better spend our tax dollars to improve efficiency and fairness int o the system..no need to keep making laws for every instance or possibility..thats how we end up living in 1984..

you don't think that protecting life on the highways is important? through cars that have little failure rate?

Edit, nevermind I get you.... I agree to a point, but everyone needs to get around, might as well make it safer as we go too.