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PostSun Dec 29, 2013 1:15 am » by Rich316


And I'm not American so no I'm not worried whatsoever.

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PostSun Dec 29, 2013 3:52 am » by Middleman


Rich316 wrote:You're assuming they're going to collect your info automatically when you really don't know anything about how they do what they do.


I've assumed nothing. What I've done is read and understood the articles about this case, and the coverage of this issue in general, which is something you've clearly failed to do.

Which part of "bulk phone data collection" are you not comprehending? Either the bulk or the collection, I'm guessing.

I also am not an American...but I'm informed enough to know that the legal rights of American citizens are the canary in the coal mine when it comes to NSA surveillance. You and I have never had any right to privacy under their law...but they did, until very recently. Now, that is gone, too.

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PostSun Dec 29, 2013 7:03 am » by Rich316


Middleman wrote:
Rich316 wrote:You're assuming they're going to collect your info automatically when you really don't know anything about how they do what they do.


I've assumed nothing. What I've done is read and understood the articles about this case, and the coverage of this issue in general, which is something you've clearly failed to do.

Which part of "bulk phone data collection" are you not comprehending? Either the bulk or the collection, I'm guessing.

I also am not an American...but I'm informed enough to know that the legal rights of American citizens are the canary in the coal mine when it comes to NSA surveillance. You and I have never had any right to privacy under their law...but they did, until very recently. Now, that is gone, too.


So you read some articles... and now you know what's going on? No, you read some articles and got some morons opinion on what they think 's going on. Only those who WORK for them will actually know SOME of what goes on there.

I don't agree with it, it's not ok, but it's out of their control. How to deal with it is the next logical step.. A class action or something along those lines?

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PostSun Dec 29, 2013 7:32 am » by Middleman


I'd tell you to go and read the OP article again, but apparently you're too thick to even understand the headline. The operative words are BULK and COLLECTION.

Rich316 wrote:Only those who WORK for them will actually know SOME of what goes on there.


Ever heard of Edward Snowden mate? How about Director of National Intelligence James Clapper?

It's not a secret anymore. It's all on the public record.

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PostSun Dec 29, 2013 10:55 am » by Rich316


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It's not a secret anymore. It's all on the public record.


Sure it is :roll: :vomit:

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PostSun Dec 29, 2013 11:03 am » by *WillEase*


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PostMon Dec 30, 2013 6:49 pm » by Middleman


December 30, 2013

Ryan Gallagher
Almost a year ago to the day, I predicted that 2013 would see important developments in government surveillance. But I could never have imagined just how important it would turn out to be, thanks largely to the actions of one solitary American: Edward Snowden.

In June, the 30-year-old former United States National Security Agency contractor became a household name virtually overnight when he came forward as the source behind a series of extraordinary leaks about vast government spy programs.
Snowden's disclosures - the largest breach of top-secret information in history - cracked open the clandestine activities of the US government and its allies to an unprecedented level of public scrutiny
, triggering long-overdue international debate about the expanding scope of modern electronic surveillance methods.

The timing was impeccable. Just a day before the first explosive Snowden scoop about the NSA's collection of millions of Verizon customers' phone calls, a ground-breaking report by the United Nations' free speech envoy had served up a prescient warning about governments' increasing ability to ''track and record internet and telephone communications on a national scale''. New technologies, the report cautioned, were facilitating ''invasive and arbitrary monitoring of individuals, who may not be able to even know they have been subjected to such surveillance, let alone challenge it''.

The UN report was based on fragments of largely circumstantial evidence about secretive government surveillance operations. Indeed, up until June there had already been a large amount of public reporting about the burgeoning scope of mass surveillance technologies. But there were no documents to confirm the crucial details, so the programs could still be denied and dismissed by government officials.

By providing a large trove of firsthand documents, Snowden changed the game completely. Anyone positing the existence of the dragnet spying programs - or trying to challenge them in court - could no longer be accused of speculating hypothetically or be dismissed as a paranoid lunatic.

The first story based on Snowden's leaks - the Verizon scoop - ripped the veil of secrecy off a program that, it later emerged, has involved the NSA collecting the phone records of virtually all Americans for at least the past seven years. This program has continued to have the most resonance in the US, and a federal judge recently ruled it was likely to be unconstitutional.

Internationally, the public outrage has focused on the mass surveillance of internet communications conducted by the NSA and its British counterpart, GCHQ, as part of controversial programs such as Prism, XKeyscore, Tempora and Muscular, which jointly sweep up hundreds of millions of online communications daily.

These programs sparked a long investigation by the European Parliament and prompted the world's largest internet companies to demand that President Barack Obama take the lead on worldwide reforms of surveillance policies. (A panel set up by the White House to review the surveillance has separately proposed a series of reforms that would, if fully adopted, significantly rein in the NSA's surveillance programs.)

There have also been important disclosures about the aggressive efforts of NSA and GCHQ to circumvent, deliberately weaken, and crack the encryption that keeps the internet secure. These tactics have been attacked by cryptographers, who have accused the spy agencies of ''acting against the interests of the public''.

In addition, the leaks have shown how spy agencies are hacking into the computers of friendly governments and covertly infiltrating civilian telecommunications infrastructure in allied nations. They have shed light on how NSA surveillance operations are entwined with the clandestine CIA drone program, and exposed how the NSA tracks the locations of billions of mobile phones. Not to mention the major revelations about how British and American and Australian spooks have spied on the communications of friendly foreign government officials - with Australia's eavesdropping on Indonesia's president and his inner circle triggering a serious diplomatic spat between the two nations.
It is hard at this point to fully quantify what the long-term legacy of Snowden's leaks will be. The former NSA contractor remains exiled in Russia, fearing government persecution if he returns to the US. Yet his actions have triggered what appears to be a partial but vital culture shift within the Obama administration on the issue of secrecy, leading to the declassification of previously top-secret court documents revealing how the NSA has violated the law on repeated occasions and misled the judges that are supposed to oversee its work.

Snowden's disclosures have had - and continue to have - a crucial part to play in informing and fuelling the international debate about accountability and oversight of covert government conduct in democratic societies. This month, for instance, the UN unanimously voted in favour of curbing excessive electronic surveillance. And even the US government's own spy chief, James Clapper, who has been exposed by the leaks to allegations of lying to Congress, has had to concede the debate prompted by Snowden ''probably needed to happen''.

But the backlash is in many ways just starting to gather momentum. Six months on from the first Snowden scoop, only now are we beginning to see the first substantive signs of emerging legal and policy shifts. Moreover, despite the crude attempts of some government officials to suppress the reporting on the secret files, important new stories are going to continue flowing. And I say that with a high degree of certainty because, in recent weeks, I have had a chance to review the cache of leaked documents while working on investigations with the former Guardian journalist Glenn Greenwald, whom Snowden entrusted with the material earlier this year.

So expect more revelations - and with them more court rulings, committee hearings, controversies, and reforms.
This has certainly been the Year of Snowden, but you can bet that the whistleblower is going to own a significant chunk of 2014, too.

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/snowden-r ... z2oyRR0xQu


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