Second nuclear meltdown likely under way -msnbc/Fox reports

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PostMon Mar 14, 2011 12:23 am » by Boundlessearth ... ma-reactor ... -meltdown/ ... .reactors/
Al-J saying now on the ticker as well that reports of second blast, anyone have a live cam link??

Japan Government Official Says 'Partial Meltdown' Likely Underway at Nuclear Plant, Risk of Another Explosion
Published March 13, 2011
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March 12: Police officers wearing gas masks patrol in the area of the Fukushima power plant's Unit 1 in Okumamachi, Fukushima Prefecture, northern Japan, amid fears that a part of the plant could meltdown after being hit by a powerful earthquake and tsunami Friday. (AP/The Yomiuri Shimbun)
IWAKI, Japan – Japan's top government spokesman says a partial meltdown is likely under way at second reactor affected by Friday's massive earthquake and there is risk of another explosion at the plant.
Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano said Sunday that a hydrogen explosion could occur at Unit 3 of the Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear complex. He added that radiation at the nuclear power plant in Fukushima briefly rose above legal limits, but it has since declined significantly.
Three reactors at the plant lost their cooling functions in the aftermath of quake and tsunami because of a power outage.
Edano said operators released slightly radioactive air from Unit 3 Sunday, while injecting water into it as an effort to reduce pressure and temperature to save the reactor from a possible meltdown.
Still, a partial meltdown in the unit is "highly possible," he told reporters.

"Because it's inside the reactor, we cannot directly check it but we are taking measures on the assumption of the possible partial meltdown," he said.
The Japanese government said radiation emanating from the plant appeared to have decreased after Saturday's blast, which produced a cloud of white smoke that obscured the complex. But the danger was grave enough that officials pumped seawater into the reactor to avoid disaster and moved 170,000 people from the area.
"Evacuations around both affected nuclear plants have begun," the International Atomic Energy Agency said in a statement to Reuters, as authorities evacuated people from a 12-mile radius around the Fukushima Dai-ichi reactor.
Robert Alvarez, senior scholar at the Institute for Policy Studies and former senior policy adviser to the U.S. secretary of energy, said in a briefing for reporters that the seawater was a desperate measure.
"It's a Hail Mary pass," he said.
Sky News is reporting that up to 160 people may have suffered radiation exposure. Japan's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency says people are being tested for radiation exposure.
Aftershocks have hit near the troubled nuclear power plant, as 6.1 and 6.3-magnitude quakes rattled the area.
Japan dealt with the nuclear threat as it struggled to determine the scope of the earthquake, the most powerful in its recorded history, and the tsunami that ravaged its northeast Friday with breathtaking speed and power. The official count of the dead was 763. Japanese police estimated on Sunday that the death toll in quake-hit Miyagi prefecture could surpass 10,000.
Devastation stretched hundreds of miles along the coast, where thousands of hungry survivors huddled in darkened emergency centers cut off from rescuers and aid.
The scale of destruction was not yet known, but there were grim signs that the death toll could soar. One report said four whole trains along the coast had disappeared Friday and still not been located. The East Japan Railway Company says one of them, a bullet train, had 400 people on board,The Guardian U.K. reports.
Others said 9,500 people in one coastal town were unaccounted for and that at least 200 bodies had washed ashore elsewhere.
Continued aftershocks, some as high as magnitude 6.4, were hampering search efforts as strong waves batter the coastline.
More than 1,231 buildings have been destroyed and another 4,000 damaged, according to a United Nations report.
Atsushi Ito, an official in Miyagi prefecture, among the worst hit states, could not confirm those figures, noting that with so little access to the area, thousands of people in scores of town could not be contacted or accounted for.
"Our estimates based on reported cases alone suggest that more than 1,000 people have lost their lives in the disaster," Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano said. "Unfortunately, the actual damage could far exceed that number considering the difficulty assessing the full extent of damage."
Among the most worrying developments was the possible meltdown of a nuclear reactor near the quake's epicenter. Edano said an explosion caused by vented hydrogen gas destroyed the exterior walls of the building where the reactor is, but not the actual metal housing enveloping the reactor.
Edano said the radiation around the Fukushima Dai-ichi plant had not risen after the blast, but had in fact decreased. He did not say why that was so. He added that pressure decreased after the blast.
Still, virtually any increase in ambient radiation can raise long-term cancer rates, and authorities were planning to distribute iodine, which helps protect against thyroid cancer.
The explosion was caused by hydrogen interacting with oxygen outside the reactor. The hydrogen was formed when the superheated fuel rods came in contact with water being poured over it to prevent a meltdown.
"They are working furiously to find a solution to cool the core, and this afternoon in Europe we heard that they have begun to inject sea water into the core," said Mark Hibbs, a senior associate at the Nuclear Policy Program for the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. "That is an indication of how serious the problem is and how the Japanese had to resort to unusual and improvised solutions to cool the reactor core."
Officials have said that radiation levels were elevated before the blast: At one point, the plant was releasing each hour the amount of radiation a person normally absorbs from the environment each year.
The explosion was preceded by puff of white smoke that gathered intensity until it became a huge cloud enveloping the entire facility, located in Fukushima, 20 miles from Iwaki. After the explosion, the walls of the building crumbled, leaving only a skeletal metal frame.
Tokyo Power Electric Co., the utility that runs the Fukushima Dai-ichi plant, said four workers suffered fractures and bruises and were being treated at a hospital.
The trouble began at the plant's Unit 1 after the massive 8.9-magnitude earthquake and the tsunami it spawned knocked out power there, depriving it of its cooling system.
Power was knocked out by the quake in large areas of Japan, which has requested increased energy supplies from Russia, Russia's RIA Novosti agency reported.
The concerns about a radiation leak at the nuclear power plant overshadowed the massive tragedy laid out along a 1,300-mile stretch of the coastline where scores of villages, towns and cities were battered by the tsunami, packing 23-feet high waves.
It swept inland about six miles in some areas, swallowing boats, homes, cars, trees and everything else.
"The tsunami was unbelievably fast," said Koichi Takairin, a 34-year-old truck driver who was inside his sturdy four-ton rig when the wave hit the port town of Sendai.
"Smaller cars were being swept around me," he said. "All I could do was sit in my truck."
His rig ruined, he joined the steady flow of survivors who walked along the road away from the sea and back into the city on Saturday.
Smashed cars and small airplanes were jumbled up against buildings near the local airport, several miles from the shore. Felled trees and wooden debris lay everywhere as rescue workers coasted on boats through murky waters around flooded structures, nosing their way through a sea of debris.
Late Saturday night, firefighters had yet to contain a large blaze at the Cosmo Oil refinery in the city of Ichihara.
Prime Minister Naoto Kan said 50,000 troops joined rescue and recovery efforts, aided by boats and helicopters. Dozens of countries also offered help.
President Obama pledged U.S. assistance following what he called a potentially "catastrophic" disaster. He said one U.S. aircraft carrier was already in Japan and a second was on its way.
The U.S. State Department on Sunday issued a travel alert for Japan, urging all citizens to avoid tourism and non-essential travel in the country.
More than 215,000 people were living in 1,350 temporary shelters in five prefectures, the national police agency said.
Aid has barely begun to trickle into many areas.
"All we have to eat are biscuits and rice balls," said Noboru Uehara, 24, a delivery truck driver who was wrapped in a blanket against the cold at center in Iwake. "I'm worried that we will run out of food."
Since the quake, more than 1 million households have not had water, mostly concentrated in northeast. Some 4 million buildings were without power.
About 24 percent of electricity in Japan is produced by 55 nuclear power units in 17 plants and some were in trouble after the quake.
Japan declared states of emergency at two power plants after their units lost cooling ability.
Although the government spokesman played down fears of radiation leak, the Japanese nuclear agency spokesman Shinji Kinjo acknowledged there were still fears of a meltdown.
A "meltdown" is not a technical term. Rather, it is an informal way of referring to a very serious collapse of a power plant's systems and its ability to manage temperatures.
Yaroslov Shtrombakh, a Russian nuclear expert, said a Chernobyl-style meltdown was unlikely.
"It's not a fast reaction like at Chernobyl," he said. "I think that everything will be contained within the grounds, and there will be no big catastrophe."
In 1986, the Chernobyl nuclear reactor exploded and caught fire, sending a cloud of radiation over much of Europe. That reactor -- unlike the Fukushima one -- was not housed in a sealed container, so there was no way to contain the radiation once the reactor exploded.
The reactor in trouble has already leaked some radiation: Before the explosion, operators had detected eight times the normal radiation levels outside the facility and 1,000 times normal inside Unit 1's control room.
An evacuation area around the plant was expanded to a radius of 12 miles from the six miles before. People in the expanded area were advised to leave quickly; 51,000 residents were previously evacuated.
"Everyone wants to get out of the town. But the roads are terrible," said Reiko Takagi, a middle-aged woman, standing outside a taxi company. "It is too dangerous to go anywhere. But we are afraid that winds may change and bring radiation toward us."
The transport ministry said all highways from Tokyo leading to quake-hit areas were closed, except for emergency vehicles. Mobile communications were spotty and calls to the devastated areas were going unanswered.
Local TV stations broadcast footage of people lining up for water and food such as rice balls. In Fukushima, city officials were handing out bottled drinks, snacks and blankets. But there were large areas that were surrounded by water and were unreachable.
One hospital in Miyagi prefecture was seen surrounded by water. The staff had painted an SOS on its rooftop and were waving white flags.
Technologically advanced Japan is well prepared for quakes and its buildings can withstand strong jolts, even a temblor like Friday's, which was the strongest the country has experienced since official records started in the late 1800s. What was beyond human control was the killer tsunami that followed.
Japan's Meteorological Agency said Sunday it had upgraded the magnitude of Friday's catastrophic earthquake to 9.0.
The agency earlier measured it at 8.8. The U.S. Geological Survey has measured the quake at magnitude 8.9, and that number remained unchanged Sunday.
Japan's worst previous quake was a magnitude 8.3 temblor in Kanto that killed 143,000 people in 1923, according to the USGS. A magnitude 7.2 quake in Kobe killed 6,400 people in 1995.
Japan lies on the "Ring of Fire" -- an arc of earthquake and volcanic zones stretching around the Pacific where about 90 percent of the world's quakes occur, including the one that triggered the Dec. 26, 2004, Indian Ocean tsunami that killed an estimated 230,000 people in 12 countries. A magnitude-8.8 quake that shook central Chile in February 2010 also generated a tsunami and killed 524 people.

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PostMon Mar 14, 2011 1:05 am » by 99socks

Ok, let's make something clear...

There CANNOT be a second nuclear meltdown if there hasn't yet been the first.

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PostMon Mar 14, 2011 1:44 am » by Boundlessearth

The Japanese government has said it is operating on the presumption that there's been a partial meltdown inside two of the six reactors at the Fukushima Daiichi plant. They have not yet been able to confirm as much, because it is too hot inside the affected reactors to check. (from CNN Link above)
So I guess you know more than the Japanese govt., why would ten major new agencies all report the same thing, pfft like I don't have anything else to do but make up scary headlines to post on the poor dwellers of DTV. I hate when people rebuttal with nothing intelligent to say pissed off at the nature of the article or even the title itself without having read the support links. Of course these are the same people who will chime and in rip you a new one if you don't have any links.
You should reflect on the last words of this speech from the late great Ian Lungold and ask yourself are you so wrapped up in your life to not know when to told em when to fold them so to speak, or is you head just to far up your proverbial arse?? ... ure=autofb
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PostMon Mar 14, 2011 1:48 am » by 99socks

Once again, if they haven't confirmed it, then how can they have a second?

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PostMon Mar 14, 2011 2:00 am » by Boundlessearth

By that logic you best check out of DTV for your own sanity. Are you of those if you can't show me than it doesn't exist kinda folks? The mayans based one of their cycles from a solar cycle that can only be viewable from the opposite side of the Sun as seen from EARTH. The Dogon tribe of Africa knew that Siruis had companion stars that circled it long before we had telescopes in the late 1900's to confirm (even SAGAN the master sceptic himself said this was the most likely proof of human-ET encounters), hell they even new the orbit period (11 years I think). Being a women it seems like you would be in better touch with your 'sixth' sense intuition. Let me guess no kids, femo nazi? Sorry I am really just trying to have fun, this place has become a morgue of dead links and 13 year olds with grammar vendettas.
Lastly, i am not jumping to the conclusion that this disaster cannot be contained to the section of Japan where it is occurring. But to snuff any thoughtful conversation on the topic out of fear of ignorance is anti-DTV and un-universal humanity. lol:()-having fun people-remember the point of the game.
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PostMon Mar 14, 2011 2:04 am » by 99socks

Wow... No comment.

Have a nice day.

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PostMon Mar 14, 2011 2:54 am » by Boundlessearth

I'd just stick to no comment from now on.. shows at least that your thinking. BTW I was trying to have fun, why is it when you try to post anything here if your not one of the 'club' who post 2000+ posts is ok to get the crap dumped on you even when you may have a valid post/topic. I actually contributed a personal disclosure to this site in the past what have you done? I see your nice day and wish you a happy eternity. No wonder people hate this country we can't even agree if the sky is blue or the grass is green anymore, it's all about ideals and who is in the right more, this too shall pass ladies and gents.
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PostMon Mar 14, 2011 3:00 am » by 99socks

Dude, all I was doing was using a bit of critical thinking to tone down the doomtard shit that has been dumped all over this place lately. If you were so offended by my original comment- which was to simply clarify for you and the hundred of people reading that there hasn't been a complete nuclear meltdown yet in Japan- then maybe you get offended too easily.

The problem with this entire forum is that there are so few people who

1) think
2) can discuss issues
3) learn from the discussion

The funny thing, is that you told me to get my head out of my ass...

Yeah, ditto.

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PostMon Mar 14, 2011 3:16 am » by Boundlessearth

I did not.. I said 'ask yourself' believe me I wasn't speaking to you in that statement. To the contrary I find most of your post right on with all three points you mentioned considered. I don't mean to pump up the doomtards but when I saw the latest updates I can't say that I didn't feel something.
just announced.. stay tuned -- 5 meter wave to hit Japan in fifteen minutes.
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