....set a date time and hour and everyone...well as much as possible and do beleive they are more than we really know....just stop working. Drop your jack hammers, stapple guns, rubber gloves, ect ect ect....and stop the machine....you are the cogs....hit them where it hurts ....in their pockets....just stop all work and manifest and demand to what's going on...let it set on a world stage...they'll come out of their holes and will have to answer to the masses....take back the control that you posses....by simply stopping work for a day ...or two...or three...what will they do...fire everyone?....demand as a country your truth....the rest of us are watching America...to see when the American PEOPLE(not the government)....PEOPLE will change this situation....your government is at question...we meet your countrymen everyday and you are as just as human as we and absolutely up to smelling out their game....shake them up gaddamit. Just stop work and the working market for a while and take care of each other throughout the process while demanding disclosure of all....you have the resourcs to take care of each other...you have access to all...all you have to do is find a way to put your differences aside for a few minutes and do what is necessary to attain connecting dots to trace out the greater good...cause i know deep down, nobody trully desires the other to suffer.
Admitedly by destroying the cameras we would send a powerful message to the authorities, without the media onside though we would be accused to preventing protecting of the people and prevention of crime. We would be demonised and the system would retaliate and would be lauded by the masses for "protecting" them.
It is a difficult question, how to realistically achieve a governmental takeover? It has to be done by bold statements and direct action, people may die, landmarks may be destroyed but humanity will only tolerate suppression for so long before the straw breaks and we can take no more. Freedom will prosper eventually, but what will be the cost?
if you are working against the system in public wheter violent or none violent, you will be demonized .
i think setting yourself a goal of "a governmental takeover" , is setting the bar way to high . what will another violent revolution help us ? we had so many of those in the past and look where it brought us .
the only realistic solution imho that you can integrate into your daily life habits , is maybe a bit of cliche , but it works : be the change that you aim for , change your programed behavior and destructive habits, start acting in real life according to your ideals, don't try to change the world ,try to change yourself and effect your surrounding in the most positive way, i think it's far more productive then "a governmental takeover" , let them play their game but dont let their game effect your core .
The problem is we have been made to feel separate from everything. The media does an absolutely bang up job of doing this. We are all pigeon holed into different groups. Race, age, sex, gender, religious belief, political ideology, language. Unity is what's needed, working together for a peaceful conclusion. We should turn our weaknesses to our strengths, and their strengths to their weaknesses.
here are lyrics to a song from 30 years ago ,its still as relevant today as it was back then ,this song is also where the quote in my signature taken from , i think it's quite relevant to this thread .
Bloody Revolutions
You talk about your revolution, well, that's fine But what are you going to be doing come the time? Are you going to be the big man with the tommy-gun? Will you talk of freedom when the blood begins to run? Well, freedom has no value if violence is the price Don't want your revolution, I want anarchy and peace
You talk of overthrowing power with violence as your tool You speak of liberation and when the people rule Well ain't it people rule right now, what difference would there be? Just another set of bigots with their rifle-sights on me
But what about those people who don't want your new restrictions? Those that disagree with you and have their own convictions? You say they've got it wrong because they don't agree with you So when the revolution comes you'll have to run them through You say that revolution will bring freedom for us all Well freedom just ain't freedom when your back's against the wall
You talk of overthrowing power with violence as your tool You speak of liberation and when the people rule Well ain't it people rule right now, what difference would there be? Just another set of bigots with their rifle-sights on me
Will you indoctrinate the masses to serve your new regime? And simply do away with those whose views are too extreme? Transportation details could be left to British rail Where Zyklon B succeeded, North Sea Gas will fail It's just the same old story of man destroying man We've got to look for other answers to the problems of this land
You talk of overthrowing power with violence as your tool You speak of liberation and when the people rule Well ain't it people rule right now, what difference would there be? Just another set of bigots with their rifle-sights on me
Vive la révolution, people of the world unite Stand up men of courage, it's your job to fight
It all seems very easy, this revolution game But when you start to really play things won't be quite the same Your intellectual theories on how it's going to be Don't seem to take into account the true reality Cos the truth of what you're saying, as you sit there sipping beer Is pain and death and suffering, but of course you wouldn't care
You're far too much of a man for that, if Mao did it so can you What's the freedom of us all against the suffering of the few? That's the kind of self-deception that killed ten million jews Just the same false logic that all power-mongers use So don't think you can fool me with your political tricks Political right, political left, you can keep your politics Government is government and all government is force Left or right, right or left, it takes the same old course Oppression and restriction, regulation, rule and law The seizure of that power is all your revolution's for You romanticise your heroes, quote from Marx and Mao Well their ideas of freedom are just oppression now
Nothing changed for all the death, that their ideas created It's just the same fascistic games, but the rules aren't clearly stated Nothing's really different cos all government's the same They can call it freedom, but slavery is the game
Nothing changed for all the death, that their ideas created It's just the same fascistic games, but the rules aren't clearly stated Nothing's really different cos all government's the same They can call it freedom, but slavery is the game There's nothing that you offer but a dream of last years hero The truth of revolution, brother................... is year zero.
Lots of good ideas and points there folks, a few counterpoints;
Lainn, true, they cant fire everyone but they could fire YOU. That is enough of a deterent to make your idea ineffective as we are in a recession and those with jobs won't want to risk them.
Proto, it is all very well making changes on a personal level. But personal change will not affect national and global injustice. And ask any american if they feel the american revolution served no positive purpose, i don't think the response will be surprising.
Hansom, unity can only be achieved through a common catalyst, i.e. 9/11 catalysed the current global climate of fear which in turn allowed the sacrifice of liberty. We need a catalyst to fuel the masses in the right direction.
Keep thinking on this though, i still think the Masked March is the way forward. Admittedly the idea was inspired by V for Vendetta although i do not advocate the blowing up of parliament...............yet!!
Peace
edit: proto, just so we're clear i in no way advocate a violent revolt. If you read me initial post it is based on hypothetical circumstances arising which would provoke a response within the masses. However the liklihood of these circumstances arising is actually quite high if such a protest were to happen, you just have to watch Taking Liberies to see how the uk police have been dealing with demonstrators. But as i say, imagine if a child was a victim of police brutality..........would that not be the catalyst we talked about earlier?
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kacen wrote:
This is just further proof of why conspiracy theories need to be outlawed.When people like YOU have nooses around your necks,have your corpses riddled with bullets holes from a firing squad,or are gassed to death,the world will be a better place.
Proto, it is all very well making changes on a personal level. But personal change will not affect national and global injustice.
but if i change and you change and then my friends change and yours and then my wife and yours and our kids and their friends , eventually it will lead to national change ,it will just take more time and effort , being the man that holding the gun is the easy choice .
electrobadgr wrote:
And ask any american if they feel the american revolution served no positive purpose, i don't think the response will be surprising.
well i'm not saying that some revolutions where not catalysts for some good changes and ideas , just saying it probably could have been achieved in other ways as well .
electrobadgr wrote:
although i do not advocate the blowibg up of parliament...............yet!!
_________________ I hope that this site is not infiltrated by dis info agents, but one can not be sure that it isn't, if no one here can prove otherwise. Lisakitty
well, things ARE starting to happen that can bring down the agenda and make a better world for us all.. . Lest we forget that the populations of the world outnumber the elite a million to 1, and all it takes is exposing them on 1 issue, and their house of cards comes crashing down. Keep reading, keep blogging and keep researching, these are the only weapons we have in this war, and we will win! Be positive, we have had enough negative, negativity is the tool of control (Yoda was right)...
_________________ Simple minds talk about each other Average minds talk about events And Great minds talk about ideas -- Elanor Roosavelt
This actually kept me awake last night, pondering a realistic answer wasn't easy but certainly the foundations or beginning of change has to lie within a peaceful protest. Namely a Masked March. A march that would begin in Edniburgh and end at westminster and would pass through every major town and city on the way. A march of parents, children, the elderly, students; the entire cross section of society. A march in which everyone is Masked, masked to protect the identity of the protesters from the police state and masked to strike fear into the hearts of the tyrannical who mean to take our freedoms from us. This march would take several days to complete and would gather momentum as it progresses to westminster, some may march the full distance, some may only march for part but it would certainly gather attention from the media. Thousands, maybe millions of people marching to protest the taking of their country and their liberties by a totalitarian dictatorship cannot be ignored.
Upon reaching westminster, a series a protests would take place on a massive scale. Acting as they usually do, riot police are deployed by the government to quash disent. In their heavy handed, brutal attempts to dispell the protest a child is seriously hurt or worse by vicious riot police. The crowd is enraged and vastly outnumber the now fearful police. They are forced to retreat and london and westminster is taken by the now angry protesters keen to avenge the maimed child.
No politician dares to return to westminster on fear of public scutiny and possible lynching. The foundations of true democracy are laid down by the common man, not lords and royalty. Buckingham palace is taken, the crown destroyed and its estate returned to the people.
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