Shit hits the fan in Egypt

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PostMon Feb 07, 2011 12:54 pm » by Svaha


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Considering the reaction the woman filming? She probably was either related to the one shot, or knew them from the neighborhood. So, seeing that he was going to confront the police they filmed it.

This is one of the biggest events in history and certainly in theirs, and you don't think because of the internet lockdown that every single person with any video recording device isn't going to be filming every aspect??

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*yes, I scrubbed the video to make sure those were cellphone/cameras*

I don't think a ploy from back when people didn't have ready access to a camera would work for a nation about to experience a true revolution.


This is true to me, if this revolution (it's a revolution, not a demonstration) happened say hundred years ago, it would already be over.
Now, even with internet connections shut down, people were able to get messages / videos into the world.
So tactics have changed (this is what I see), people are contained within certain areas by the army in a more a less peaceful way, but did nothing to prevent 'pro Mubarak' elements to enter these areas. (Most us dollars went to the military so their interests are clear)
The regime only has to wait for a certain time and continue with suppression on a sub level, wait 'till the economy comes to a complete halt. (detail is for instance that government people are not paid now)
That will create division amongst the people.
But this can very well backfire, not only to the regime, but also to foreign countries.
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PostMon Feb 07, 2011 5:43 pm » by zinzana


O'Reilly interview with Obama reveals prez is BETTING 'seculars and professors' will outpace the muzzie brotherhood for power in Egypt
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PostTue Feb 08, 2011 2:22 am » by zinzana


ElBaradei: The Israelis Have A Peace Treaty With Mubarak, Not With The Egyptian People
Mohamed ElBaradei, one of the key leaders of Egypt's protest movement, has brought his country's peace treaty with Israel into doubt in an interview with Der Spiegel.
SPIEGEL: Are you now saying that a government that included participation by the Muslim Brotherhood would continue on with Mubarak's policies toward Israel?
ElBaradei: No. Something the Israelis also need to grasp is that it's impossible to make peace with a single man. At the moment, they have a peace treaty with Mubarak, but not one with the Egyptian people. The Israelis should understand that it is in their long-term interest to have a democratic Egypt as a neighbor, and that it is prudent to acknowledge the legitimate interests of the Palestinians and to grant them their own state.
SPIEGEL: And, last but not least, do you think you will be Egypt's next president?
ElBaradei: That's not what I'm striving for. But if people's expectations are directed toward me, I will also not disappoint them. I would like to remain independent and maintain a certain distance -- both from the Muslim Brotherhood and US policy.
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PostThu Feb 10, 2011 5:53 pm » by Svaha


Several sources state that Mubarak will step down tonight? and left Caïro.
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PostThu Feb 10, 2011 6:49 pm » by zinzana


military coup orchestrated from the stealth jihad mosque in the white house :top:

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PostThu Feb 10, 2011 6:52 pm » by Proto


yep,all kind of rumors flying around at the moment ...

CIA director cites 'likelihood' that Mubarak may step down later today

CIA director Leon E. Panetta told lawmakers Thursday there is a "strong likelihood" that Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak could step down later in the day.

Testifying before the House Intelligence Committee, Panetta and other top U.S. intelligence officials defended their reporting on the volatile situation in Egypt and other countries in the Middle East and North Africa, saying they had laid out the tensions that have led to upheavals there.

Panetta concluded an opening statement to the committee by saying, "There is a strong likelihood that Mubarak may step down this evening." He did not immediately elaborate.

The CIA director told the panel, "We have long provided a series of reports that indicate the nature of the problems in that region," including "regressive regimes," economic and political stability, stagnation, lack of freedoms and the need for political reforms. Last year alone, Panetta said, almost 400 reports were provided that listed the "the concerns that we saw in this region that had the potential for disruption."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 03172.html

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PostThu Feb 10, 2011 6:55 pm » by Proto


Essentially a military coup?

CAIRO - According to the director of a leading think tank, what is happening in Egypt is essentially a military coup.

The head of the High Military Council is President Hosni Mubarak, yet the Military Council has met in his absence.

They have made a first statement that the military will take the actions necessary to protect the Egyptian people and are in a permanent meeting.

They are expected to make a second statement about the situation soon.

http://worldblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20 ... itary-coup

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PostFri Feb 11, 2011 1:59 am » by zinzana


Godfather of Islamic Revolution?

Barack Hussein Obama may be the godfather of the Islamic revolution. The tempo and turmoil of regional events fit his agenda, and may be a result of his policies.

Radical transforming political developments in the Middle East and North Africa have given rise to criticism over the failure of President Obama’s foreign policy. Pro-American regimes, as in Tunisia and Egypt, have virtually been toppled by mass protest in the name of ending corruption and nepotism, and demanding liberty and democracy, economic justice and social welfare for lower impoverished classes.

Other regional leaders, like King Abdullah in Jordan, are targeted by popular opposition, and in Lebanon the Western-oriented Hariri government has been brought down. The U.S.-supported Palestinian Abu Mazen regime has come on hard times, with the Qatari Al-Jazeera campaign undermining its political legitimacy. Iran-supported Hamas is the beneficiary of this development.

This political collapse in the Middle East is seen as a colossal defeat for Obama and American interests. Washington’s allies have fallen, or are tottering, and hopes for moderation and stability seem to be shattered.

Obama’s True Agenda

Since entering the White House, Obama has been transparent in promoting his views and policies. In the domestic arena, he favors construction of a large mosque near Ground Zero though a majority of Americans oppose this controversial step; he favored a civilian trial for 9/11 terror planner Khalid Sheikh Mohammad despite popular views to the contrary; and he refused to describe the Fort Hood killing spree of thirteen soldiers by Muslim major Nidal Malik Hasan as a crime inspired by Islam.

The elevated status of Islam in America was already announced at Obama’s inaugural address when he referred to America as a nation of “Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus.” The Jews had been surpassed by Muslims in the politico-religious hierarchy, while later Obama speaking in the name of America stated that ‘We are no longer a Christian nation’. A clear instance of Islamic prioritization occurred when NASA’s new mandate was ordered by Obama to be outreach to Muslim countries, and to make them feel good about their contribution to science.

In world politics, Obama promised that America will never go to war against Islam. His first presidential visits to Cairo and Ankara illustrated his exceptional friendship for Muslim countries; he avoided visiting Jerusalem. His sanctions campaign against Iran was sluggish and his support for the reformist protest following the June 2009 elections muted. The ayatollahs could relax with Obama in the White House.

Meanwhile, Obama has now sent an ambassador to Damascus to restore relations with that rogue state that has been allowing Iran and Hizbullah to freely engage in weapons smuggling across Syria’s border into Lebanon. Recently on Obama’s watch, the Iranian republic’s surrogate terrorist subsidiary brought down the elected pro-Western government in Beirut.

And now we have reports that Washington was even involved earlier in supporting anti-Mubarak forces in Egypt, and when the massive street protests erupted in late January, Obama’s administration advised him to act with restraint and initiate reforms. This is a historical playback to Carter helping deliver Iran under the shah into the hands of ayatollah Khomeini.

Obama’s Islamic Paradigm Policy

There are different explanations of Obama’s policies and goals in the region. Some say he is poorly advised or that he is politically naïve. Perhaps he lacks judgment on strategic and political affairs in this rough Middle Eastern arena of precarious relations and duplicitous promises.

But a paradigm which fits Obama’s record suggests that the tempo and turmoil of regional events fit his agenda, and may be a result of his policies. As a son of a Muslim father, Obama is on course to promote Islamization at home and abroad. In the Middle East, where popular religious forces threaten authoritarian regimes, Obama has placed America on the side of Islam. His is a historical role in furthering the expansion of radical Shari’a Islam from his Oval Office in Washington. Hamas, while defined as a terrorist organization, received U.S. aid for the Gaza Strip under its rule.

Obama’s agenda is succeeding brilliantly with the very list of events considered his failures in foreign policy in facthighlighting his successes. Islamic takeovers in Lebanon and perhaps Egypt, maybe in Tunisia and Yemen, then Jordan, fulfill his vision in full glow. Thus, Egypt as a base of American strategy in the Middle East may be replaced by Egypt as a foundation for the spread of radical Islam in the world. When Obama bowed before the King of Saudi Arabia in April 2009, he was not showing respect for the monarchy but deference to the Guardian of the Holy Cities of Islam. Maybe over a few generations Washington will be added, along with Rome, to the list of Islamic sacred sites.

It is Obama’s radical liberalism and political leftism that bamboozle an appreciation of his Islamic agenda. After all, his support or sympathy for homosexuality and gay marriage, certainly abortion, is incongruent with Islamic law and custom. Yet President Obama stands simultaneously for Islamand liberalism, and the radical rupturing of traditional America can dialectically advance the process over the long-run for the victory of Islam. A morally fractured and spiritually distraught America will lead more of its young people, as is already happening, to embrace Islam. So too, Obama’s call for liberty and democracy in the Arab world, as in Egypt, can enable the revolution by Islam.

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PostFri Dec 07, 2012 11:04 pm » by Edgar 2.0


Well, it's Shit hits the fan in Egypt 2.0 now, i guess.

Or even better, Shit hits the fan in Egypt Biennale

(Reuters) - Tens of thousands of Egyptian protesters surged around the presidential palace on Friday and the opposition rejected President Mohamed Mursi's call for dialogue to end a crisis that has polarized the nation and sparked deadly clashes.

The Islamist leader's deputy said he could delay a December 15 referendum on a constitution that liberals opposed, although the concession only partly meets a list of opposition demands that include scrapping a decree that expanded Mursi's powers.

"The people want the downfall of the regime" and "Leave, leave," crowds chanted after bursting through barbed wire barricades and climbing on tanks guarding the palace of Egypt's first freely elected president.

Their slogans echoed those used in a popular revolt that toppled Mursi's predecessor Hosni Mubarak in February 2011.

Vice President Mahmoud Mekky said in a statement sent to local media that the president was prepared to postpone the referendum if that could be done without legal challenge.

The dialogue meeting was expected to go ahead on Saturday in the absence of most opposition factions. "Tomorrow everything will be on the table," a presidential source said of the talks.

The opposition has demanded that Mursi rescind a November 22 decree giving himself wide powers and delay the vote set for December 15 on a constitution drafted by an Islamist-led assembly which they say fails to meet the aspirations of all Egyptians.



http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/07/us-egypt-politics-idUSBRE8B30GP20121207

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PostSat Dec 08, 2012 3:10 pm » by Rmcampwest


That's what democracy looks like Part 2!!!!!!!!!!


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