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Sun Aug 01, 2010 6:13 am » by **Illuminated**

japan studies Lithium in public water :shock:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zb-RDb859j0

fluoride ^ mentioned

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3y8uwtxrHo

parts 2 & 3
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Sun Aug 01, 2010 7:00 am » by **Ou8one2**

I agree megame23

you do NOT need drugs to make you happy

I know of 'some people'... who are on drugs... for depression.. they tried to get off the drugs they all went loopy and then tried to KILL them selfs...

they went into a hospital and was told by the Doctor... don't do that again.. stay on your meds...
they didnt want to keep taking them they wanted off and are told they will be on these drugs for the rest of their LIFE they are told there is NO other option continue taking your meds...

about 20 years ago they started with kids... saying they are too hyper... and need to calm down here they have ADD 'Attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder' take these pills they tried this shit with my kid.. I told them to fuck off.. my kid got good grades and never was in trouble... why the fuck would I want my kids on drugs!

comes to find out they also wanted him to stay back too.. cause he was too young everyone else in his class was older... and they were behind he was ahead..

schools and the pharmaceutical companies and doctors are the fucking problem..

and parents who put their kids on drugs they have a problem too they shouldn't have kids if they cant take care of the kids and their problems

holy shit I could go on for hours...

just stay away from the fucking pills..
deal with your problems..

PS the military does this to the soldiers too puts them on drugs to shut them up no help at all just take more pills.. look up the stats how many soldiers killed them self

Sun Aug 01, 2010 7:44 am » by **Grows**

Biochemically, humans are complex creatures, and it's not just the head, but the adrenals, the thymus, as well as other body glands... all working together. This is why 'depression' is so difficult to diagnose and why drugs have such different effects from person to person.

But the body is made to work in harmony. So why is it 'so hard/almost impossible' for people to excape from depression?

I think the answer is that they are trying to have their cake and eat it too. When an animal is sick in any way, it will withdraw from life. This sounds like the 'symptom of depression', and IT IS. But people want to have their cake and eat it too. They don't want to slow down, or change their habits, or do anything for the most part that doesn't fit into the fantasy of instant gratification they are addicted to.

It is what it is, and this whole pharma 'cure' is a big experiment. It will cause as much pain as it cures, probably more, but in the end perhaps we will have learned something. As long as the participants are willing...

Mon Aug 02, 2010 4:04 pm » by **Genmetsu**

I've never thought that depression was a legitimate disease. If you listen to most depression commercials they ask you if you're feeling sad or upset. And if you are then that means you're depressed. Not taking into consideration that to be legitimately depressed you'd have to be sad non stop for months, for no reason at all. Meaning not being stressed, suffering a loss, or sadness for any legit reason.

I honestly think that when it comes to any preventable mental disorder it's really mind over matter. I've suffered social anxiety disorder since I was about 9 or 10. And I've also been pressured, and basically almost forced to take pills. And I refused every time. What personally helped, and continues to help, with my anxiety is plain and simple therapy. Sure I may have relapsed a few times, but I'd take therapy over pills in a heartbeat. Pills just numb the symptoms, they don't cure them. If I took pills for my anxiety all it would do is keep me from having symptoms of a panic attack(breathing, heart rate, etc.), it wouldn't make why I'm panicking disappear. Inside I still most likely would be worrying, but you just wouldn't be able to tell on the surface. I'm sure the same thing would be true with depression. If you don't get to the root of why you're feeling a certain way, you won't be able to change your feelings. A "magic pill" is a quick fix. But in the end really helps nothing.
And depression is miss labeled a lot. All the therapists and doctors that I've seen(and it's been a lot) have always lumped me into depression just because I had anxiety. Which is completely wrong. I didn't have a ounce of sadness back then. Maybe sadness for having anxiety, but beyond that nothing. Yet I was still categorized as both.
Not only that at least half of my friends are on depression medication, or some other form of medication. And they have been for years. When they don't need it at all. And honestly it does come down to parents not wanting to deal with their kids. Because ever single one of my friends on medication have parents that let them basically run wild, because they don't feel like dealing with them. People are always looking for a quick fix when in the long run it does more damage then good.

Mon Aug 02, 2010 7:27 pm » by **Drjones**

Wow,some truly great replies here guys,i salute your sanity in an insane world. :flop:

Yeah our modern GP's ..as well meaning as they maybe have no clue really what they are doing,they are just following the 'research' they are directed to,they do not intentionally harm people it's just they get 2 weeks nutritional training during study,totally insane...that's what worrries me.I mean call me a conspiracy theorist but you may just think what human beings consume would be of some relevance to how they actually feel?....
Like i say the well meaning doctors have been brainwashed into just basically doing whatever the pharmaceudical companies tell them.It's about wealth not health,however i struggle to not believe it does'nt go much deeper,my own experiences tell me that it most certainly does and the money angle is actually irrelevant,the folks that create the system care not for money,ultimately there is a much bigger 'war' afoot and again IMO it is a war on our consciousness.

Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:27 pm » by **Thebluecanary**

I can see both sides. Yes, some people have benefited greatly from drugs for depression...and I know some of them who will straight tell you that drugs saved their lives. But I also know people who are living some form of a crappy life that they don't want (married to an ass, drowning in the fake country club suburban rat race) who, instead of making the lifestyle changes that would make them happy choose to take that little yellow pill so they don't care that they're miserable. Because it's easier and socially acceptable.

Three years ago (at the risk of boring you with my life story) I went with my little bro to download data from some tracking stations he has in the northeast part of the state. I came home infested with nymph ticks, didn't know it, found some embedded two days later. Right after that I had what felt like the worst flu ever. Went to the doc, told him about the ticks and the flu, got Western Blot test and 10 days of antibiotics for possible Lyme. Felt like shit for a month. Western blot came back negative. Went back to the doc, told him I still felt like shit, and from the symptoms I was having and the research I'd been doing, I felt like I did have Lyme and should have more/stronger antibiotics. He insisted that I must be depressed and refused to treat me for Lyme until I'd been on the antidepressant he gave me for 90 days. I was skeptical but he WAS the Dr...so I took them. And still felt like shit, only with dizziness, nausea, and a general fake odd disconcerting sense of not caring that I felt like shit. And a host of other not cool symptoms that I won't get into, but which are common to women on certain SSRI drugs. When I went back for my follow up he still refused to treat the Lyme, insisting that it was all in my head and the drugs were the thing. So I stopped taking them. And felt even worse. Turns out once you start them you can't just stop, because your brain has lost the ability to process serotonin on it's own. You have to phase off. Doc wouldn't tell me how so I went online and found out myself. Took a month to phase off and it was not fun. Probably another month till my brain started working correctly again.

On top of that wonderful experience I now get to have chronic Lyme. Which probably could have been prevented had the old doctor treated me properly, but which I will now have to deal with pretty much the rest of my life. (Don't even get me started on the whole BS politics of Lyme) Point being, American doctors and the majority of the public seem married to the idea of a miracle pill for what ails them. I think it's a mistake to medicate people into submission rather than deal with the underlying causes of their depression. And damn dangerous on top of it.

Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:40 pm » by **Aquarius**

otomon wrote:We live in a fast paced world,we don't have time to raise our children properly,what is wrong with having a pill that is going to save us hours of talking and therapy?

What goes up, must come down!

Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:04 pm » by **Grows**

On top of that wonderful experience I now get to have chronic Lyme. Which probably could have been prevented had the old doctor treated me properly, but which I will now have to deal with pretty much the rest of my life.

This is why choice is a good thing. If your doctor is an idiot, FIRE him/her and go shopping.

Mon Aug 02, 2010 10:36 pm » by **Thebluecanary**

grows wrote:
On top of that wonderful experience I now get to have chronic Lyme. Which probably could have been prevented had the old doctor treated me properly, but which I will now have to deal with pretty much the rest of my life.

This is why choice is a good thing. If your doctor is an idiot, FIRE him/her and go shopping.

True, true. Must admit that I fell into that whole "he's the doctor, he must know best" way of thinking. I expect lots of people have had similar mindsets which have led to suffering or unnecessary medication. I was loyal to him because he saved my friend's life in George Clooney ER fashion. (And he was adorable). Chalk it up to lessons learned the hard way.

Mon Aug 02, 2010 11:05 pm » by **sockpuppet**

thebluecanary wrote:I can see both sides. Yes, some people have benefited greatly from drugs for depression...and I know some of them who will straight tell you that drugs saved their lives. But I also know people who are living some form of a crappy life that they don't want (married to an ass, drowning in the fake country club suburban rat race) who, instead of making the lifestyle changes that would make them happy choose to take that little yellow pill so they don't care that they're miserable. Because it's easier and socially acceptable.

Three years ago (at the risk of boring you with my life story) I went with my little bro to download data from some tracking stations he has in the northeast part of the state. I came home infested with nymph ticks, didn't know it, found some embedded two days later. Right after that I had what felt like the worst flu ever. Went to the doc, told him about the ticks and the flu, got Western Blot test and 10 days of antibiotics for possible Lyme. Felt like shit for a month. Western blot came back negative. Went back to the doc, told him I still felt like shit, and from the symptoms I was having and the research I'd been doing, I felt like I did have Lyme and should have more/stronger antibiotics. He insisted that I must be depressed and refused to treat me for Lyme until I'd been on the antidepressant he gave me for 90 days. I was skeptical but he WAS the Dr...so I took them. And still felt like shit, only with dizziness, nausea, and a general fake odd disconcerting sense of not caring that I felt like shit. And a host of other not cool symptoms that I won't get into, but which are common to women on certain SSRI drugs. When I went back for my follow up he still refused to treat the Lyme, insisting that it was all in my head and the drugs were the thing. So I stopped taking them. And felt even worse. Turns out once you start them you can't just stop, because your brain has lost the ability to process serotonin on it's own. You have to phase off. Doc wouldn't tell me how so I went online and found out myself. Took a month to phase off and it was not fun. Probably another month till my brain started working correctly again.

On top of that wonderful experience I now get to have chronic Lyme. Which probably could have been prevented had the old doctor treated me properly, but which I will now have to deal with pretty much the rest of my life. (Don't even get me started on the whole BS politics of Lyme) Point being, American doctors and the majority of the public seem married to the idea of a miracle pill for what ails them. I think it's a mistake to medicate people into submission rather than deal with the underlying causes of their depression. And damn dangerous on top of it.

Thank you for saying what I was too angry to try to articulate. There is a place in "the system" for all approaches. Not everything works for everyone. And NO ONE should judge someone without knowing the circumstances.

In my situation, I was literally trapped in a severely abusive relationship with Muslim narcissist. It took me four and a half years to get out (alive!) with both children, and another two years to get the divorce. You name it, he did it. Once we were in the US, my abuser made sure I was as isolated as he could get it; no friends, no family, no phone/tv/internet/newspapers/magazines (though at one point I was allowed a radio). I was up until 3 am every night doing the bookkeeping for his business, then after that my duty switched to sex. I was up by 6am each day with the baby. I slept maybe one hour a night, and totally could not function normally. There was no end in sight to the hell. It took me the last three years of my imprisonment to plan my out.

In the meantime, I got pregnant a second time but this time the depression morphed into full-blown psychosis. Thank God I knew what was happening to me. My mantra- my only grip on reality- was to tell myself that everything that was happening was a completely normal reaction to a completely abnormal situation. I had no one to talk to, no transportation or way of getting to a doctor... and telling my abuser I needed help would jeopardize the future custody battle overseas in a country that did not sign the Hague Convention. I ate the best that I could, though I was too exhausted to do much exercise. I tried the best I could during the 45 minutes a week I was allowed outside for grocery shopping to acquire what knowledge and supplements I could from the health store in the same shopping plaza. Nothing helped (but, no surprise).

When I was finally out and living back home, just the change in environment was an 80% improvement. Just getting the time to cry for the first time in years helped too. But in spite of the support, therapists, and the fact that my only job at that point was to heal, the exercise and all the advice of the dietetic gurus at the clinic and at the health food store simply did not work. I tried so hard to not take the pill, and my therapist respected that and never pushed it. I was afraid of all the horror stories we hear; I was afraid of getting addicted, I was stubborn against the NWO pharmaceutical companies; I was ashamed because *I* just couldn't do it.... Even though I was happy, feeling safe, and looking forward to the future, the headaches, stomach pains, insomnia, and brain fog still remained. I couldn't get a job. The day I walked out the door with that prescription was the deepest crevice of my life and yet the most liberating; I had to admit for the first time in my life that I truly was helpless. And that it wasn't my fault.

Two weeks later I got a blessed 4 hours of sleep one night. A week after that, I was sleeping 6-7 hours at night. Within a month the headaches were gone. A few months later I went back to college; in my second semester I was offered a full scholarship for graduate school.

I think I remained on the pill for about 12 months before weaning off. I was fine for years without it until life decided to take a dump again, but this time I was given a different prescription. At some point during the clusterfuck, my blood pressure went through the roof and I had a stroke. I had to quit graduate school during my first semester.

So, that little pill gave me my life.. and another one took it away. If anyone cares, the "good" pill was Celexa, and the "bad" one was Cymbalta.

I am not telling anyone that they have to take the pill; but I certainly do not discourage or judge anyone who does.

Sometimes I sit on this forum and I read threads... and wonder if people really think that "fear of suffering" is unfounded? I wasn't allowed inside a police station once, because it was considered "impolite" to allow a female to hear the screams of the political prisoners who were being held on the upper floor. I really wonder if people who think all you have to do to escape the effects of an "energy vampire" is to think good thoughts and be forgiving... if these people have ever met a real energy vampire? I wonder if these people who claim that happy thoughts eliminates depression... did they really have depression to begin with?

Then, I have to remind myself what a privileged lot we are... All sitting here with our fantasies, each with an internet connection and many drinking beer or smoking pot... And it's fun to sit back and think all you have to do is to wish it all away... Because after all, it is all fantasy, right?

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