Shocking Survey - The Dumbing Down of Youth?

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PostWed Aug 26, 2009 3:41 am » by Spock


mugenroshi8 wrote:Its not a dumbing down, it's a redirection of education. If the school systems took out all information systems concerning computers and kids had to dig up files in the local library to find them, kids wouldn't know a whole lot about computers either.

School systems do not iterate the importance of the subject matter listed; it may or may not be in the text books, (I know when it comes to history, there is only a paragraph listed on subject matter found in a chapter, where 15 years ago there was an entire chapter dedicated to said topic; that's a fact) but how are these things encouraged in the slightest? Is this what is going to make them money? No, for the majority it's some ill-conceived plan to continue a sport to the professionals or a trade they learned growing up with their parents. For those who are encouraged to go into the physical sciences, they will pay more attention and score highly in those related fields (I'd compare the top of modern classes to the top of any class prior to in history, and know for a fact they could outscore the historical competition; how? Because those fields have moved beyond the point of learning of those in the past and our kids have had to learn everything prior too, up too, and then beyond into our Time).

We have so much information available today, and children learn at a rate unprecedented in modern history (take the misconception of certain attention disorders; their mind is accustomed to moving much more quickly than ours is).

But when entertainment and other avenues of pop culture dominate the lives of children, and they are not encouraged in a given avenue...well then, no, they wouldn't be intelligent in that area.

You can call Bob the Grease Monkey as retarded and ass-backwards as you wish, but I bet when it comes to auto mechanics, that man would run circles of genius around your ass (shotgun blast, myself included).

Intelligence is nothing more than an allocation of one's time and energy.


VERY STRONG POINTS MUG! I agree with 100% since that you presented it in that way.

My frustration is the preoccupation with the demonizing of ideals and history. It's as if the future History Books have already been written and we are now in a mad dash to make history follow that script.

Does it not seem orchestrated to you?

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PostWed Aug 26, 2009 3:43 am » by Hansom


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hansom wrote:But what's the use of that when the doctor tells you, you need to have a biopsy to determine whether the tumor is benign or malignant. Oh and would you sign this waiver in case of a misdiagnosis, and any invasive treatment after was un-necessary.
Sure doc, geeze you're so smart.


Well, now that I have to say would be a HUGE decision for even the very elect! What would your innitial response be to that? Other than a 2nd opinion from Duke University or some other esteemed medical school - or what if that came from Duke University?

I still have faith in some kids, but it is clear that the whole spectrum is changing to a more communistic/earthly/all-for-the-state view.


I was giving that as an example of how the dumbed down generation would accept the word of someone with apparent authority, without really understanding the possible consequences of their actions.

What I'm getting at is I'd rather have 10oz of book smart than 100lb of street smart
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PostWed Aug 26, 2009 3:52 am » by Spock


hansom wrote:
spock wrote:
hansom wrote:But what's the use of that when the doctor tells you, you need to have a biopsy to determine whether the tumor is benign or malignant. Oh and would you sign this waiver in case of a misdiagnosis, and any invasive treatment after was un-necessary.
Sure doc, geeze you're so smart.


Well, now that I have to say would be a HUGE decision for even the very elect! What would your innitial response be to that? Other than a 2nd opinion from Duke University or some other esteemed medical school - or what if that came from Duke University?

I still have faith in some kids, but it is clear that the whole spectrum is changing to a more communistic/earthly/all-for-the-state view.


I was giving that as an example of how the dumbed down generation would accept the word of someone with apparent authority, without really understanding the possible consequences of their actions.

What I'm getting at is I'd rather have 10oz of book smart than 100lb of street smart



Oh, I totally understand.

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PostWed Aug 26, 2009 4:40 am » by Neplihim


:bang; :ohno: :headscratch: FLUORIDE in the WATER, FLUORIDE in the TOOTHPASTE, DUMB down the youth and the people of the U S for the NEW WORLD ORDER :nwo: :hugging: :nwo:

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PostWed Aug 26, 2009 5:09 am » by Mugenroshi8


spock wrote:My frustration is the preoccupation with the demonizing of ideals and history. It's as if the future History Books have already been written and we are now in a mad dash to make history follow that script.

Does it not seem orchestrated to you?


History is always written by the victors my brother!!! But yes, I sympathize completely. I was just telling my friend the other day how I remember holding up my right hand and pledging allegiance to the American flag everyday before class in my youth. Now they have Law Enforcement and DEA visiting schools and encouraging them to snitch on their own families and replace the family system for a social system.

Orchestrated, I have to be careful with my answer, I really don't want to get lumped into a certain crowd ya know. But as I don't believe in coincidence, yes, I believe a plan is being carried out. Realistically bro, I feel that as a government, like all governments prior and to come, their role is limit and control the citizens choices, and twist reality in a way that they are controlling those who in fact empower them.

So yeah, I believe it's intentional the government run education system is intentionally encouraging Business, while the Media is constantly encouraging Entertainment, and so, this generation - more than any prior - is subject to revolve around cut throat economics and sacrificing sincerity for spotlight. Every generation revolves around something, and the times will always reflect that. But as information is always recycled, we can find similar instances in History and get a glimpse of what is going on; contexts change, but agendas rarely do in my opinion.

A point my friend brought up, that I agree with, is hyphenated names. The only two groups in this country that have a right to hyphenate their names, should be Native-Americans and 1st Generation Citizens. If you were born and raised here, you're an American. And if you don't like that, your Motherland is waiting for you somewhere else. Divide and conquer, political correctness...all the same. When you lump all Minorities together, they become the Majority. Out of thousands of scholarship assistance programs out there, I don't ever remember running into one that said, "Are you a low-income white male? There may be assistance for you!" That would just be racist.
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PostWed Aug 26, 2009 3:06 pm » by Jp2155


trinity11 wrote:
spock wrote:
hansom wrote:Sad to say but I recon about 90% of pupils in the UK wouldn't be able to draw a circle with a 4 inch radius.
However ask them to draw one with a 101.2mm radius, no doubt half of them would stick their hands up also.


That's funny, because I GUARANTEE more can role a perfect joint, then even draw a flattering circle with a pencil.


I agree, lol, I am guilty of also being a perfect joint roller :dancing:

lol to whoever wrote the Re: Shoking Survey thread , the :peep: :headscratch: :think: mispelling of the word shocking was a nice touch to the theme of your thread... you DID do that on purpose didnt you?...................


That was originally the name for this thread...before it was changed...I thought it ironic...lol :cheers:

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PostWed Aug 26, 2009 3:25 pm » by Songhai


jp2155 wrote:
trinity11 wrote:
spock wrote:Sad to say but I recon about 90% of pupils in the UK wouldn't be able to draw a circle with a 4 inch radius.
However ask them to draw one with a 101.2mm radius, no doubt half of them would stick their hands up also.


That's funny, because I GUARANTEE more can role a perfect joint, then even draw a flattering circle with a pencil.


I agree, lol, I am guilty of also being a perfect joint roller :dancing:

lol to whoever wrote the Re: Shoking Survey thread , the :peep: :headscratch: :think: mispelling of the word shocking was a nice touch to the theme of your thread... you DID do that on purpose didnt you?...................


I would like to tell you that mispelling choking, erm, shocquing ... huh :think: shocking was indeed a brilliant move ... but it definitely wasn't. It was rather a "itsdamntoolateandi'mnotanativeenglishspeakermove" :D

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PostWed Aug 26, 2009 3:32 pm » by Nuada


hansom wrote:
spock wrote:
hansom wrote:But what's the use of that when the doctor tells you, you need to have a biopsy to determine whether the tumor is benign or malignant. Oh and would you sign this waiver in case of a misdiagnosis, and any invasive treatment after was un-necessary.
Sure doc, geeze you're so smart.


Well, now that I have to say would be a HUGE decision for even the very elect! What would your innitial response be to that? Other than a 2nd opinion from Duke University or some other esteemed medical school - or what if that came from Duke University?

I still have faith in some kids, but it is clear that the whole spectrum is changing to a more communistic/earthly/all-for-the-state view.


I was giving that as an example of how the dumbed down generation would accept the word of someone with apparent authority, without really understanding the possible consequences of their actions.

What I'm getting at is I'd rather have 10oz of book smart than 100lb of street smart



Nah i'd rather streetwise any day. Books are pointless. Why would anyone read. I get all the information i need from 'The Sun' or 'The News of the World'. I have noticed though that i struggle to maintain concentration for long periods. By the time i've got to the second or third paragraph i've quite often forgotten what i read in the first. It takes too long to read a full article so i often read the captions or just look at the pictures.
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PostWed Aug 26, 2009 6:24 pm » by Neplihim


neplihim wrote::bang; :ohno: :headscratch: FLUORIDE in the WATER, FLUORIDE in the TOOTHPASTE, DUMB down the youth and the people of the U S for the NEW WORLD ORDER :nwo: :hugging: :nwo:

The Truth About 'Fluoride'

(or what everyone & every Mother should know)

Fluoride used by Nazis to sterilize inmates and make them docile. Fluoride a key dumbing down ingredient of Prozac and Sarin nerve gas -- poisons of choice for tyrant rats.

First of all, it needs to be stated that the 'substance' referred to as 'Fluoride' is a misnomer - there is no such substance listed in the periodic chart of the elements, nor in the prestigious CRC handbook, nor in the sacred 'bible' of the pharmaceutical industry - the illustrious 'Merck Index'. Instead, we find a GAS called Fluorine - and from the use of this gas in various industries such as aluminum manufacturing and the nuclear industry -certain toxic byproducts are created which have 'captured' fluorine molecules. One such toxic, poisonous 'byproduct' is called sodium Fluoride - which according to the Merck Index is primarily used as rat and cockroach poison and is also the active ingredient in most toothpastes and as an "additive to drinking water". But sadly, there is much more to this sordid tale.

Did you know that sodium Fluoride is also one of the basic ingredients in both PROZAC (FLUoxetene Hydrochloride) and Sarin Nerve Gas (Isopropyl-Methyl-Phosphoryl FLUORIDE) - (Yes, folks the same Sarin Nerve Gas that terrorists released on a crowded Japanese subway train!). Let me repeat: the truth the American public needs to understand is the fact that Sodium Fluoride is nothing more (or less) than a hazardous waste by-product of the nuclear and aluminum industries. In addition to being the primary ingredient in rat and cockroach poisons, it is also a main ingredient in anesthetic, hypnotic, and psychiatric drugs as well as military NERVE GAS! Why, oh why then is it allowed to be added to the toothpastes and drinking water of the American people?

Historically, this substance was quite expensive for the worlds' premier chemical companies to dispose of - but in the 50's and 60's - Alcoa and the entire aluminum industry - with a vast overabundance of the toxic waste - SOMEHOW sold the FDA and our government on the insane (but highly profitable) idea of buying this poison at a 20,000% markup and then injecting it into our water supply as well as into the nation's toothpastes and dental rinse. Yes that's right folks, a 20,000% markup. Consider also that when sodium Fluoride is injected into our drinking water, its level is approximately 1 part-per-million (ppm), but since we only drink ½ of one percent of the total water supply, the hazardous chemical literally 'goes down the drain' and voila - the chemical industry has not only a free hazardous waste disposal system - but we have also PAID them handsomely in the process!!

Independent scientific evidence over the past 50 plus years has shown that sodium fluoride shortens our life span, promotes various cancers and mental disturbances, and most importantly, makes humans stupid, docile, and subservient, all in one neat little package. There is increasing evidence that aluminum in the brain is a causative factor in Alzheimer's Disease, and evidence points towards sodium fluoride's strong affinity to 'bond' with this dangerous aluminum (remember it is a byproduct of aluminum manufacturing) and also it has the ability to 'trick' the blood-brain barrier by imitating the hydrogen ion thus allowing this chemical access to brain tissue.

Honest scientists who have attempted to blow the whistle on sodium fluoride's mega-bucks propaganda campaign have consistently been given a large dose of professional 'black-listing' and thus their valid points disputing the current vested interests never have received the ink they deserve in the national press. Just follow the money to find the 'control' and you will find prominent American families to be prominent 'players' in the scandal. In 1952 a slick PR campaign rammed the concept of 'fluoridation' through our Public Health departments and various dental organizations. This slick campaign was more akin to a highly emotional "beer salesman convention" instead of the objective, scientifically researched program that it should have been. It has continued in the same vein right up to the present day - and now sodium fluoride use has now become 'usual and customary'.

To illustrate the emotional vs. the scientific nature of this issue, just look at the response given by people (perhaps yourself included?) when the subject of fluoridation comes up. You need to ask yourself, "Is this particular response based on EMOTIONS born of TRADITION, or is it truly unbiased and based instead on thoroughly researched objectivity?" There is a tremendous amount of emotional, highly unscientific "know-it-all" emotions attached to the topic of 'sodium fluoride' usage -but I personally have yet to find even ONE objective, double blind study that even remotely links sodium fluoride to healthy teeth at ANY AGE. Instead, I hear and read such blather as "9 out of 10 DENTISTS recommend 'fluoride' toothpaste" etc. etc. etc. Let me reiterate: truly independent (unattached to moneyed vested interest groups) scientists who've spent a large portion of their lives studying and working with this subject have been hit with a surprising amount of unfair character assassinations from strong vested-interest groups who reap grand profits from the public's ignorance as well as from their illnesses. (Just follow the money!)

Do you have diabetes and/or kidney disease? There are reportedly more than 11 million Americans with diabetes. If it is true that diabetics drink more liquids than other people, then according to the Physicians Desk Reference these 11 million people are at much higher risk drinking fluoridated water because they will receive a much deadlier dose because of their need for higher than normal water consumption. Kidney disease, by definition, lowers the efficiency of the kidneys, which of course is the primary means in which fluoride (or any other toxic chemical) is eliminated from the body. Does it not make sense that these people shouldn't drink fluoridated water at all? Cases are on record (Annapolis, Maryland, 1979) where ill kidney patients on dialysis machines died because they ingested relatively small amounts of SODIUM FLUORIDE from unwittingly drinking the 'fluoridated' city water supply? Will adequate warnings be given to people with weak kidneys, or will the real cause of such deaths be 'covered up' in the name of 'domestic tranquility'?

Concerning the 'practice' of putting sodium fluoride into drinking water, where did this insanity begin and WHO tried it first? From personal research, the very first occurrence of purposefully putting sodium fluoride into drinking water was in the German ghettos and in Nazi Germany's infamous prison camps. The Gestapo you see had little concern about sodium fluoride's 'supposed' effect on children's teeth; instead, their reason for mass-medicating water with sodium fluoride was to STERILIZE HUMANS and force the people in their concentration camps into calm, bovine, submission. (See for reference: "The Crime and Punishment of I.G. Farben" written by Joseph Borkin.) Kind of shocking isn't it folks!! Ah, but it gets even better.

The following letter was received by the Lee Foundation for Nutritional Research, Milwaukee Wisconsin, on 2 October 1954, from a research chemist by the name of Charles Perkins. He writes:

"I have your letter of September 29 asking for further documentation regarding a statement made in my book, "The Truth about Water Fluoridation", to the effect that the idea of water fluoridation was brought to England from Russia by the Russian Communist Kreminoff. In the 1930's Hitler and the German Nazis envisioned a world to be dominated and controlled by a Nazi philosophy of pan-Germanism. The German chemists worked out a very ingenious and far-reaching plan of mass-control which was submitted to and adopted by the German General Staff. This plan was to control the population in any given area through mass medication of drinking water supplies. By this method they could control the population in whole areas, reduce population by water medication that would produce sterility in women, and so on. In this scheme of mass-control, sodium fluoride occupied a prominent place.

"Repeated doses of infinitesimal amounts of fluoride will in time reduce an individual's power to resist domination, by slowly poisoning and narcotizing a certain area of the brain, thus making him submissive to the will of those who wish to govern him. [A convenient and cost-effective light lobotomy? --- Ott].

"The real reason behind water fluoridation is not to benefit children's teeth. If this were the real reason there are many ways in which it could be done that are much easier, cheaper, and far more effective. The real purpose behind water fluoridation is to reduce the resistance of the masses to domination and control and loss of liberty."

"When the Nazis under Hitler decided to go to Poland, both the German General Staff and the Russian General Staff exchanged scientific and military ideas, plans, and personnel, and the scheme of mass control through water medication was seized upon by the Russian Communists because it fitted ideally into their plans to communize the world."

"I was told of this entire scheme by a German chemist who was an official of the great I.G. Farben chemical industries and was also prominent in the Nazi movement at the time. I say this with all the earnestness and sincerity of a scientist who has spent nearly 20 years' research into the chemistry, biochemistry, physiology and pathology of fluorine --- any person who drinks artificially fluorinated water for a period of one year or more will never again be the same person mentally or physically."

Signed: CHARLES E. PERKINS, Chemist, 2 October, 1954.

Another letter needs to be quoted at length as well to help corroborate Mr. Perkin's testimony. This letter was written by a brilliant (and objectively honest) scientist named Dr. E.H. Bronner. Dr. Bronner was a nephew of the great Albert Einstein, served time in a WWII prison camp and wrote the following letter printed in the Catholic Mirror, Springfield, MA, January 1952:

"It appears that the citizens of Massachusetts are among the 'next' on the agenda of the water poisoners.

"There is a sinister network of subversive agents, Godless intellectual parasites, working in our country today whose ramifications grow more extensive, more successful and more alarming each new year and whose true objective is to demoralize, paralyze and destroy our great Republic ---- from within if they can, according to their plan --- for their own possession."

"The tragic success they have already attained in their long siege to destroy the moral fiber of American life is now one of their most potent footholds towards their own ultimate victory over us."

"Fluoridation of our community water systems can well become their most subtle weapon for our sure physical and mental deterioration. As a research chemist of established standing, I built within the past 22 years 3 American chemical plants and licensed 6 of my 53 patents. Based on my years of practical experience in the health food and chemical field, let me warn: fluoridation of drinking water is criminal insanity, sure national suicide. DON'T DO IT!!"

"Even in very small quantities, sodium fluoride is a deadly poison to which no effective antidote has been found. Every exterminator knows that it is the most effective rat-killer. Sodium Fluoride is entirely different from organic calcium-fluoro-phosphate needed by our bodies and provided by nature, in God's great providence and love, to build and strengthen our bones and our teeth. This organic calcium-fluoro-phosphate, derived from proper foods, is an edible organic salt, insoluble in water and assimilable by the human body; whereas the non-organic sodium fluoride used in fluoridating water is instant poison to the body and fully water soluble. The body refuses to assimilate it."

"Careful, bonafide laboratory experimentation by conscientious, patriotic research chemists, and actual medical experience, have both revealed that instead of preserving or promoting 'dental health', fluoridated drinking water destroys teeth before adulthood and after, by the destructive mottling and other pathological conditions it actually causes in them, and also creates many other very grave pathological conditions in the internal organisms of bodies consuming it. How then can it be called a 'health plan'? What's behind it?"

"That any so-called 'Doctors' would persuade a civilized nation to add voluntarily a deadly poison to its drinking water systems is unbelievable. It is the height of criminal insanity!"

"No wonder Hitler and Stalin fully believed and agreed from 1939 to 1941 that, quoting from both Lenin's 'Last Will' and Hitler's Mein Kampf: "America we shall demoralize, divide, and destroy from within."

"Are our Civil Defense organizations and agencies awake to the perils of water poisoning by fluoridation? Its use has been recorded in other countries. Sodium Fluoride water solutions are the cheapest and most effective rat killers known to chemists: colorless, odorless, tasteless; no antidote, no remedy, no hope: Instant and complete extermination of rats."

"Fluoridation of water systems can be slow national suicide, or quick national liquidation. It is criminal insanity ------- treason!!"

Signed: Dr. E.H. Bronner, Research Chemist, Los Angeles

Apparently, the public outcry by Dr. Bronner and others precluded the fluoridation of public water systems for a season - but soon thereafter, the Food and Drug Administration allowed this deadly poison to be put in 'toothpaste', and our dentists were systematically brainwashed into providing 'fluoride treatments' to their many patients. Of course, today many major metropolitan areas have a minimum of 1 parts per million sodium fluoride systematically added to their water supply and more areas are seeking to add this poison every year. Add to this the fact that bottling companies (soft drinks, juices, etc.) use fluoridated water to make their products - is it any wonder that people can no longer think clearly and ask pertinent questions of their elected and ecclesiastical leaders? Is it also a mystery why so many top Nazi mind control scientists were brought to America by the CIA and their infamous 'Operation Paper Clip'?

If you believe all of this is 'just a coincidence' - go ahead and keep brushing your teeth with your 'fluoride' toothpaste and sucking on your sodium fluoride enhanced Coke or Pepsi product - for ignorance truly is bliss and you truly deserve what you get.

Mothers, if your little ones are having trouble concentrating at home or in school, or have been diagnosed as 'attention deficit' - perhaps you would be well advised to look for the culprit (and the solution to the problem) no further than your home medicine cabinet (your tube of toothpaste) and your friendly neighborhood school's water fountain!! :rtft: :help: :help:

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PostWed Aug 26, 2009 6:34 pm » by Aquarius


A lot has to do with how kids are raised in the US these days. Wrapped in cotton wool, spoiled, with teachers no longer having any rights to control them. (E.G. A teacher friend of mine was attacked one day by a student, she pushed him away and was remanded. When asked how she was supposed to defend herself against a 15 year old male student that was bigger than her, the answer she was given was, "use yourself as a shield".) Politics reigns supreme, it's not what you know, but who you know.
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