Smolensk filmmaker not dead after all?

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PostFri Apr 23, 2010 12:30 am » by Zegtelzegtel


edgarrothstein wrote:My exact thoughts a minute ago... :flop:

The moment i saw Jane B. reporting live from Poland (Warsaw or Krakow, i'm not sure...), and a lot of interest from known disinformants, i've immediately smelled some dead fish, or, as Polish guy from the one of the articles i've linked, wittingly said : "cold turtle"...


lol my exact thoughts when I saw that Jane b vid...

I dont think the video is fake..its a bit weird that the guyz identity is known...if you film this kind of stuff, its better to stay anonymous I think...
but Jane confirms a lot...

thanx for posting this edgarrothstein...

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PostFri Apr 23, 2010 12:42 am » by whitedeath


I thought he was just being nosey after the crash (a local or something)
There were some officials there , fired some warning shots to keep people back from either interfering with the evidence or taking things.

Then it proceeded into dis-info propaganda, polish people started saying how the russians were involved etc and the following "he's now dead" the russians did it. Knowing sooner or later it would be translated into (bad) english and spread around the internet

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PostFri Apr 23, 2010 12:46 am » by Kris75


kingz wrote:RANDOM COMMENTS:

myśle że ktoś miał w tym wszystkim udział...
obejrzałem zdjęcia i film nic w nich nie
znalazlem tylko slychac bylo strzały.....ale czy
na pewno? padają rozne sugestje ale najbardziej
prawdopodobmna jest ze ktos lub cos zakłóciło pace
urządzeń nawigacyjnych... my sie o tym
prawdopodobnie nie dowiemy wszystko bedzie ukryte
i pewnie zrzucą na błąd pilota tylko wladze
polskie bedą wiedziały i też nie wiadomo bo z tego
może być wojna a rosjanie są msciwi i nie lubią
polakow...


A mnie się widzi że w tej "tajnej organizacji"
pierwsze skrzypce gra Bielan i jemu
podobni:)))Tylko co do jednego się zgadzam.Te
głupie łby faktycznie są do ich dyspozycji!


A ty pewnie jakis UB-ka, ktoremu za to placa, zeby
tak komentowac. Przypuszczam, ze przed 70-ciu laty
wielu takich palantow jak ty tez pisalo takie
brednie. Prawdy dowiedzielismy sie wiele lat
pozniej. Pisz dla Trybuny Ludu, a nie tutaj.


ok zgodzę się z Tobą, ale nie wydaje Ci się to
dziwne ...?
Nagle Putin i prezydent Rosji są naszymi
najlepszymi ziomkami, na dodatek wina obarczają
Stalina za zbrodnie...
a ja na to nie uda Wam się nam zamydlić oczu!
miej swój rozum nie wież w media!
Jeszcze Polska nie zginęła...!


uwazam ze Rosjanie maczali w tym palce...Dziwny
zbieg okolicznosci... Dla wielu osob smierc
Prezydenta i liderow Polskiego rzadu jest na
reke... wydaje mi sie ze to nie byl wypadek...


ty pisowski kretynie zawijaj sie stąd!w okolicach
Kijowa?A ja myslalem ze w okolicach Żeber
Wielkich...


Aleś TY biedny... Jak nie rozumiesz sytuacji i nie
masz za grosz wyczucia to lepiej nic nie pisz, niż
masz siebie ośmieszać...

http://fakty.interia.pl/raport/lech-kac ... 891999,3,3


ANYTHING INTERESTING?? :help:




heres a transation of all coments on your link kingz,for you my buddy here it is ;)

KINGZ IF YOU NEED SOMTHING BEEN TRANSLATE IN POLISH,JUST TELL ME WHAT AND I FIX IT FOR YOU MY BUDDY :mrgreen: ;)


Author of the film "Smolensk shots after the disaster"(2010-04-19 23:40)
~ MartaAdrij Mendierej was reportedly stabbed and
died in Mińsku.To starts frightening.

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Re: The author of the movie "Smolensk shots after the disaster"(2010-04-20 00:10)
~ VolodyaAgree on the movie I was in the palace to them. Stalin and
I saw
as he was resigned to the heart, but not true with
knife only to allegations that these arrows inaccurately
recorded, and outright tried to drown them, and how fell
arrows to the microphone he "pips" and again arrows,
and he again "pips" and in this way mess up in.
dramas. They said to him not to Oscar
nominate, the peasant took over in August and got a heart attack
took him to the hospital
in Minsk because the Russians will not accept Warsaw.
The case really begins to tremble just do not know
or August of the same fear.
So far, Health

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Re: Re: Author of the movie "Smolensk shots after the disaster"(2010-04-22 08:13)
~ CatherineBut you poor ... How not to understand the situation, and
you have an ounce of sense you'd better not write anything than
You fool yourself ...

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Re: The author of the movie "Smolensk shots after the disaster"(2010-04-20 00:14)
~ PauloThe film, which has already zepewne everyone can see, the author
this movie Adrij Mendierej, which was dug in the knife
15 Kw.2010 near Kiev, he was
przewieżony in an awful state to a hospital in
Kiev, where on April 16 two unknown people
odłączyło his respirator. J once again dug him
3 times a knife. Andriy died afternoon o15.03 time
Moscow 16 April 2010 year. But
course, this is the case by the Russian government

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Re: Re: Author of the movie "Smolensk shots after the disaster"(2010-04-20 06:52)
~ Czaki(...) what you are all this movie does not explain anything
I saw him 50 times and so after that, whether they are
some evidence of the alleged death
cameraman? I would submit that it is not
exclude the Russians in the fingers dipped!

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Re: Re: Author of the movie "Smolensk shots after the disaster"(2010-04-20 06:57)
~ Speech therapistpisowski you jerk wrap here! in the vicinity of
Kiev? "And I thought of around the ribs
Great ...

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Re: Re: Re: Author of the movie "Smolensk shots after katast ...(2010-04-21 00:10)
~ Psychiatrist.. And you just jerk .. so what
nervous .. WSI work in August and annoy, with
not everything went as it should?

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Re: Re: Re: Author of the movie "Smolensk shots after katast ...(2010-04-21 22:59)
~ T / CListen to the ignorant, by the large letters that you
highlight-feel-zaszcycony I received this video
via my friends with you FB.Czy
really wear the cover of your skull in order to
like rain drops to have an umbrella? "Thinking is not
hurts! Believe-intelligence does not come from the media or
also from a policy!

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Re: Re: Author of the movie "Smolensk shots after the disaster"(2010-04-22 13:21)
~ MarzenaIn relation of the media: I think unfortunately Polish
'Media' are so kórewsko lying, hypocritical, and governs
in their pure hypocrisy of not dissimilar
from corrupt Russian media .... shame
shame and rzałosc .............

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Re: Re: Author of the movie "Smolensk shots after the disaster"(2010-04-22 19:41)
~ Smoleczekbidoczek

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Re: The author of the movie "Smolensk shots after the disaster"(2010-04-20 00:31)
~ Joe31I think the Russians had dipped his fingers in a strange ...
coincidence ... For many people die
President and leaders of the Polish government is
hand ... seems to me that it was not an accident ...

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Re: Re: Author of the movie "Smolensk shots after the disaster"(2010-04-20 09:44)
~ LizoduszFor me everything is clear as the sun is not russia
counts with anyone and with nothing to get to the order
killed many people with all my heart I wish you to
everyone but the guilty were punished with a vengeance
speech will god who was at the crash site and
It does not need to remember that the camera wszystie
dark matter, and so come to light in his time and
also I know that this happens soon and believe me
I'm from another dimension I know a lot more than
human observer speculations angel

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Re: The author of the movie "Smolensk shots after the disaster"(2010-04-20 07:05)
~ DemSomebody dropped a rumor, and I repeat a sheep ... A
maybe you have some source of this information? Because in
foreign media's write about it ...

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Re: Re: Author of the movie "Smolensk shots after the disaster"(2010-04-20 09:15)
~ XRSI support the statement speaker, the lack of any
the source of the alleged author's death gives the film
only shows that it may be a plot once set to
neta, which is mindlessly repeated by many
people. I'm not saying that this is the information
untrue, but the lack of sources does not allow
This in no way to verify. I might as well
I can just create unexplained circumstances
his death, throw it to the neta and I bet that
find a mass of people who will be a repeat.

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Re: Re: Re: Author of the movie "Smolensk shots after katast ...(2010-04-20 09:35)
~ RAnd what do you expect? With Russians announce it in
news?

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Re: Re: Re: Author of the movie "Smolensk shots after katast ...(2010-04-20 11:31)
~ Infook I agree with you, but do not you think it
strange ...?
Suddenly, President Putin and Russia are our
best compatriots, in addition to render the wine
Stalin's crimes ...
and I said you can not we zamydlić eyes!
Have your mind is not the towers in the media!
Poland will not die ...!

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Author of the film after each shot Smolensk ...(2010-04-20 13:33)
~ SI watch this movie and so do not know, these kind of
characters that shoot and shoot to which they are
too little, much is said about the cockpit but this
not survived and this is great what you see on film is back
airplane cabin is not rzadna. People here do not forujcie
strange theory, because I brukowym letter goes here
vocabulary there is no clear and virtually nothing
obvious there but can not hear the shots. I was
once in a car accident or something shooting
like a pistol but I'm not a professional and
I spoke to think what some co.Moim
looked at the code j.Bonda and LD, so it is difficult
believe that it was a catastrophe for which submitted
are a few independent factors. Someone
Now let go of a story that the author of this film is not
lives ....... pity words, you have the official info on the
this topic, some source, and even if you do not live
This shows that he was the author of the film. I too have
mixed feelings as to those of your naoglądam
nonsense, but let's not paranoid, because I think
realistic and also to wish you my dear
dorośnijcie children ... many of you are probably
seniors, at this time, please be pouczcie
Thus, a better country than przysłużycie
spreading rumors and confusion, which it still is
marginalized by people enlightened and sober
and only by obscurantists podchwytywane. The world is
not a video game how do you see
it seems ........

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Author of the movie "Smolensk shots p. ..(2010-04-20 16:37)
~:)You see Buddy, these conspiracy theories will
year to operate. It is similar to an obsession
posed the thesis that the WTC in New York blew themselves
amerykanie.Pisali the "eye" witnesses as
seen fired from the wings of passenger
aircraft missiles in the direction of the towers:) It is now
who consider such a proposition raises, and to what
purpose and what he wants by this achieve? This is the clou
głupawki:)

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Author of the movie "Smolensk arrow ...(2010-04-20 17:05)
~ Psychiatrist (amat. ..no one is doing specifically in my opinion -
certain percentage of people around the world simply
schizophrenics is either paranoikami. Only
cases of severe psychosis (at least in
democratic countries) are confined in centers.
If anyone does not threaten it a live ... and May
access to the Internet ... and here also other
boost the network because suddenly discover that they are
his madness (ie I wanted to say in
perception of the world) osamootnieni ...

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Author of the movie "Smolensk arrow ...(2010-04-21 13:41)
~ NormalThe last two sentences should be explained by
prosecutor!

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Re: The author of the movie "Smolensk shots after the disaster"(2010-04-20 13:35)
~ Claudjafilmiku hear the shots and the voices of Russians and
Polish, but you need to listen to loud headphone.

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Re: Re: Author of the movie "Smolensk shots after the disaster"(2010-04-21 10:10)
~ LukashekSo hear it and hear exactly how
podgłosi 00:00:08,600 -> 00:00:09,300
Calm down

00:00:14,000 -> 00:00:16,000
Do you hear?

00:00:17,000 -> 00:00:18,000
See me in the eye

6
00:00:21,000 -> 00:00:22,300
Ouch ... / Calm down!

7
00:00:25,000 -> 00:00:27,000
Everything okay? Here woman's voice

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Re: The author of the movie "Smolensk shots after the disaster"(2010-04-20 16:53)
~:)It scares me:) This is a wider conspiracy to
global scale and perhaps space! Filmmaker
not been stabbed with a knife (it was his
double), but was kidnapped by agents
secret organization which is hiding in the mountains
Rocky in the U.S. and has links with aliens from
Roswel.Tajna organization holds in its roswel
brains in jars jam with tangerine and sucks
important to them wiadomości.Po sowing doubts about what
more feeble-minded heads takes
them closer to their own purposes have not yet
to be defined for a passive observer, but a
is certain ... your silly heads are in their
Available:)

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Re: Re: Author of the movie "Smolensk shots after the disaster"(2010-04-20 16:59)
~ WaldiAnd you're probably some UB-ka, who pay for it, lest
just commenting. I suppose that before 70 years
many of these suckers like you also have written such
nonsense. Truth found out many years
later. Write to the Tribune of the People, not here.

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Re: Re: Author of the movie "Smolensk shots after the disaster"(2010-04-20 17:04)
~ OO7And it seems to me that this "secret organization"
first violin playing and his Bielan
Similar:))) Only about one in zgadzam.Te
stupid heads are actually available to them!

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Re: The author of the movie "Smolensk shots after the disaster"(2010-04-22 18:06)
~ ArekI think that someone had participated in all of this ...
saw pictures and video's on them
I found only one could hear the shots but did .....
for sure? suffer various suggestions but the most
prawdopodobmna is that someone or something disrupted the pace
navigation devices ... we're about
probably never know everything will be hidden
and probably discharged in the pilot's error only to the authorities
Polish will know and it is not known because of the
may be war and the Russians are vengeful and do not like
Poles ...

:cheers:
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PostFri Apr 23, 2010 12:50 am » by Kris75


kingz wrote:Why NO, you may ask... well because the pictures from the crashscene looks identical to the video footage:

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PostFri Apr 23, 2010 1:07 am » by Kris75


http://wolnemedia.pdg.pl/artykul.html

A key piece of evidence?
Published: 20/04/2010 | Category: News from the world | Edit Print
The first movie was recorded by the Russian disaster, in which voices are heard in Polish, if it is authentic, it is crucial evidence. It is hard to believe that it was so realistically assembled, except that then it would be likely in many of its online version, and there is one. There are clear voices in Polish and immediately after the shots. Another thing - the cockpit was saved, and strangely enough it was the bodies of pilots can not be found. They were in the seat, fasten seat belts in hełmofonach. The fire started after a disaster, so if the pilots were conscious they could jump out to prevent the spread of fire. They could die, but that their bodies had the best chance to escape in their entirety. Does the idea is to hide the real cause of their death?

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A key piece of evidence?
Published: 20/04/2010 | Category: News from the world | Edit Print
The first movie was recorded by the Russian disaster, in which voices are heard in Polish, if it is authentic, it is crucial evidence. It is hard to believe that it was so realistically assembled, except that then it would be likely in many of its online version, and there is one. There are clear voices in Polish and immediately after the shots. Another thing - the cockpit was saved, and strangely enough it was the bodies of pilots can not be found. They were in the seat, fasten seat belts in hełmofonach. The fire started after a disaster, so if the pilots were conscious they could jump out to prevent the spread of fire. They could die, but that their bodies had the best chance to escape in their entirety. Does the idea is to hide the real cause of their death?



Assuming the authenticity of the author filmiku risked mortal danger as a witness. So I put the information that comes from the Internet, and whose veracity can not fix myself, but I think that more editors are able to confirm whether a man of that name was then in the vicinity of Smolensk, and talked with family about what he saw, and other facts. If this is a false trail might be able to inquire whether the local residents have heard something about this filmiku and its author. Here is the info:

"The person who threw this movie the first was quickly removed and his account was deleted too! The author of this movie was Mendierej Andrei, who dug the knife in the vicinity of Kiev, April 15, 2010. It has been brought in an awful state to a hospital in Kiev, where he disconnected the apparatus! " (Information on the author's death the film turned out to be rumor - Editor's note)

I know that the Polish prosecutor's office will examine this movie. But in the past, many investigations had remitted, were at stake when possible objections to the well known politician and businessman. Still less could be the case when the game would fall international affairs. Therefore I have reason to believe that the prosecution will undermine the credibility of the material - even if it is true. Such matters should investigate and disclose to the media. Is the television and radio stations do not have specialized equipment to check the reliability of the material and the prominence of votes going there?

The fact that everything conspires against the presidential airplane (suddenly very bad weather, incorrect indications of the altimeters, not acting TAWS, poor co-operation with the tower) is already making serious doubts. To entry on my blog I added a lot of interesting information and new hypotheses about the likely (intentional or inadvertent) fault of the Russians. And if you bear at least part of the blame (even unintentional) is that disclosure would be a huge blow to the image of Russia - which is why it can not be ruled out attempts to hide these facts.

We publish a letter received from a specialist that developed the three-dimensional navigation systems, which sheds new light on the possible causes of an aviation disaster in Smolensk. Here are the contents of this letter:

"I am a lecturer at the University of Hambuskiej and the employee responsible for the so-called. Advanced Research and Development of Concern HarmanBecker Automotive Systems. I developed and co-created three-dimensional navigation systems, and therefore difficult for me to imagine how TAWS system that was installed in the airplane of the President, may fail if he does not "help." (For more information here)

Author: Philip Stankiewicz
Material sent to the "Free Media"

http://wszolek.salon24.pl/

22:57 2010-04-22
ABW came to housing the victims?

I threw up on me on Twitter journalists. I've supposedly unverified information, said one of them - as a "tube PR'owców" - and then reproduces it and Lukasz Warzecha Kataryna considered granted. The aim is to review the ABW Warsaw apartment late. Zbigniew Wassermann after the tragedy in Smolensk.

Information received from a person who had read it on Frondzie. Then I asked on Twitter, or to search actually occurred. Then zalinkowałem, and many, Fronde. Someone after my post is checked and received confirmation.

What is interesting in this situation, I do not give 100 per cent guarantee anywhere that ABW sure to include apartment late. Wassermann entered. But there is also evidence that it was not. The strangest thing in all this is that the military prosecutor's office on one of the press conference confirmed: ABW gathered DNA samples to identify remains of victims of the disaster in Smolensk. "Rzeczpospolita" the agency asked for it, and this deniedThat participated in searches of homes of the dead to identify. According to unofficial information, the ABW also came late to the Krakow apartments. Wassermann. If so - why, if the sample to identify the agency from the hotel to fetch the Sejm after 12 o'clock, several hours after a disaster?

Jadwiga Staniszkis of "second hand" knows that the laptop was killed late. Alexander Szczyglo. BBN has confirmed the information. By human agency, the head of the deceased did not take it with you on board Tupolev.

http://www.rp.pl/artykul/465651_ABW_zbierala_DNA.html

ABW gathering DNA

The plane of the presidential couple on board crashed near Smolensk on 10 April 2010 in the chair. 8.56.

After 12 o'clock at the Hotel Sejm ABW officers arrived. They entered the room tragically deceased parliamentarians to secure personal belongings, which was the genetic material - needed to identify the dead.


With the consent of the Marshal

ABW of its shares did not inform the victims' families. Such a search only found out on Monday, April 12, at a meeting at the hotel before leaving for Moscow (government aircraft flew the family).

- That the information supplied Minister Jacek Cichocki (Prime Minister's Office responsible for the security services - ed) - says the person who was at the meeting. This information confirms the "Rom" George Smolinski, assistant marshal of the Sejm Bronislaw Komorowski. - Staff of the House of Deputies were at the security officers of the ABW personal belongings such as combs and toothbrushes - he says. Stresses that all took place at the request of the Military District Prosecutor's Office in Warsaw to investigate the tragedy of Smolensk.


After a gathering of DNA

ABW shortly after the tragedy came to the hotel the Sejm. How to set "Rom", and secured there DNA was sent to Moscow on Monday, April 12, after hours. 10th

Poles, Russians did not ask about the security of genetic material. - From the beginning they said that they marry the DNA from the families of the victims on the spot - says our informant linked to services. And so it happened. Genetic material was collected from relatives of the victims after their arrival in Russia.

However, material collected in the country probably been helpful in identifying the victims. The victim's DNA is needed for example when relatives live only a further degree of kinship.

Kazimierz Olejnik, a former state prosecutor, also points out that, the ABW action can be taken also in order to accelerate the process of identifying bodies. - Secured personal belongings, because it can be done faster than the samples from a close family member whose place of residence must be located - is justified. <\ P>

The Minister of Internal Security Agency asked Cichocki. Until the closing number, the newspaper does not receive a response.

Government Information Centre did not respond well when loved ones recover things taken out of the room by ABW parliament. Families today do not even got the information, what items were taken.

Parulski Colonel Christopher, head of the Supreme Military Prosecution, confirmed at yesterday's conference that the Agency is investigating arranged collection of genetic material needed for DNA testing.

- ABW certainly acted in accordance with the law - he said. He added that the genetic material has been collected in one day since the tragedy, and then sent to Russia.


Laptop died?

Prof. Jadwiga Staniszkis wrote in a column for the Polish VirtualThat she had the information second-hand "about the fact that after the tragedy broke into the apartment Szczygły Alexander, head of BBN, and in Krakow home Zbigniew Wassermann (PiS). According to her was also possible to search the house Janusz Kurtyka.

The family arrived Wassermann also information about the alleged search of his Warsaw apartment. She asked so Krzysztof Lapinski, co-worker policies that are checked. - The door was locked. There was no stamp on them. In turn, the neighbors did not hear anything, because in the morning they were at work. It is hard to tell if someone entered the apartment - says "Rom" Lapinski.

ABW denied having entered the housing Szczygły, Wassermann and Kurtyka to secure DNA samples of material there.

Prof. Staniszkis also wrote that he had gone Szczygły laptop. This is confirmed by co-Head of BBN. They argue that certainly did not take him on board. The computer had been in the apartment. According to them there, but it is not.
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PostFri Apr 23, 2010 1:11 am » by Shadowkhas


The alleged death always seemed to be a hoax to me. The Russian's aren't stupid. If they wanted to prevent information from coming out, they would find a way to keep him quiet without killing him.

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PostFri Apr 23, 2010 1:30 am » by Kris75


edgarrothstein wrote:http://wolnemedia.pdg.pl/artykul.html


http://wszolek.salon24.pl/

Seems that the user named "Aml" explains somewhere that Andreij Mendierej, the filmmaker, is not dead.

Unfortunately, my russian is a bit rusty, so if anyone feels like translating, here you go :

http://smolensk.ws/blog/170.html

http://smolensk.ws/blog/168.html

http://smolensk.ws/blog/169.html


GREAT TOPIC :flop: AND I HOPE YOU ENJOED MY TRANSLATION :cheers:
THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS THE VIDEO :mrgreen:

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PostFri Apr 23, 2010 7:37 pm » by Edgarrothstein


kris75 wrote:
edgarrothstein wrote:http://wolnemedia.pdg.pl/artykul.html


http://wszolek.salon24.pl/

Seems that the user named "Aml" explains somewhere that Andreij Mendierej, the filmmaker, is not dead.

Unfortunately, my russian is a bit rusty, so if anyone feels like translating, here you go :

http://smolensk.ws/blog/170.html

http://smolensk.ws/blog/168.html

http://smolensk.ws/blog/169.html


GREAT TOPIC :flop: AND I HOPE YOU ENJOED MY TRANSLATION :cheers:
THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS THE VIDEO :mrgreen:


Thanks for the effort :flop:
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