Spanish Ship Refuses to Leave Gibraltar’s Waters

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PostTue Nov 26, 2013 10:12 am » by *WillEase*


November 26, 2013 • From theTrumpet.com
Spain repeatedly defies Britain, yet London does nothing.
By Richard Palmer

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A Spanish survey vessel illegally entered British Gibraltar territorial waters on November 18 and refused to leave for 22 hours, despite direct orders to do so from Royal Navy patrol boats. The ship only left after Britain summoned the Spanish ambassador.

The Spanish RV Romon Margalef, accompanied by three Spanish Guardia Civil boats, claimed to be “carrying out oceanographic works” that were “of the European Community interest.”

“According to the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, the waters around Gibraltar are indisputably British territorial waters,” the bbc writes. Yet a Spanish vessel accompanied by official policy boats entered British waters and ignored direct orders to leave for nearly a day, and Britain took no meaningful action.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25021640

This incursion is only unusual because of the length of time it took. Spain makes 40 illegal incursions a month, on average—up from five, two years ago.

The number of incursions go up because Britain takes no action to defend its sovereign territory. In Gibraltar, Britain is advertising its weakness to the world.

This isn’t about taking action against one Spanish boat. Spain’s aggression has been going on for months. Yet Spain has suffered no penalties, diplomatic, economic or otherwise.

Maintaining good relations with Spain despite such belligerence might seem to Britain to be the prudent course. But in the long run, Britain will pay dearly for being so nonchalant about ensuring other nations respect its sovereignty and power.

Britain’s response to Spain’s aggression demonstrates that it does not have the will to hold on to Gibraltar. For more information on why Gibraltar is important to the whole of Britain, read our recent article “The Day Britain Loses Gibraltar.”
http://www.thetrumpet.com/article/10889 ... -gibraltar
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PostTue Nov 26, 2013 10:26 am » by RATRODROB


I would have thought that the very real threat of a mini nuke being on board a ship these days would have enforced any country to defend its waters and territories from anyone, pronto.



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PostTue Nov 26, 2013 12:26 pm » by Harbin


You have to admit that Gilbraltar is Spainish.

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What the Spain suddenly claimed the Isle of Wight ?

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PostTue Nov 26, 2013 2:50 pm » by Endless16


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98% of the people in Gibraltar want it to remain British, so no it's not part of Spain, if Spain took Gibraltar it would be an occupation. Geographical location is meaningless and is a rather simplistic way of looking at things, you could just as easily look at a map and wonder at why Scotland want independence from the UK when surely looking at a map it's part of England?"... :top: Or maybe why Canada is independent when it is surely just part of the USA?... :lol:

Mexico used to control half of what is now the USA, by the same logic applied to Gibraltar they should therefore hand back this territory regardless of the opinions of the people who reside in it?

The first people to settle in Gibraltor were Muslims from present day Morocco, but the people there now are largely British Colonists.
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PostTue Nov 26, 2013 3:01 pm » by Harbin


Endless16 wrote:@Harbin

98% of the people in Gibraltar want it to remain British, so no it's not part of Spain, if Spain took Gibraltar it would be an occupation. Geographical location is meaningless and is a rather simplistic way of looking at things, you could just as easily look at a map and wonder at why Scotland want independence from the UK when surely looking at a map it's part of England?"... :top: Or maybe why Canada is independent when it is surely just part of the USA?... :lol:

Mexico used to control half of what is now the USA, by the same logic applied to Gibraltar they should therefore hand back this territory regardless of the opinions of the people who reside in it?

The first people to settle in Gibraltor were Muslims from present day Morocco, but the people there now are largely British Colonists.



That Britain has claim to ANY piece of the Iberian Peninsula is as backward a notion as any claims Britain has to Ireland. Let's get real and see this for what it is. An occupation of Spain by British colonists at the behest of the Crown.
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PostTue Nov 26, 2013 3:25 pm » by Malogg


One down donkey Kenny next to go !!

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PostTue Nov 26, 2013 5:16 pm » by Endless16


Harbin wrote:
Endless16 wrote:@Harbin

98% of the people in Gibraltar want it to remain British, so no it's not part of Spain, if Spain took Gibraltar it would be an occupation. Geographical location is meaningless and is a rather simplistic way of looking at things, you could just as easily look at a map and wonder at why Scotland want independence from the UK when surely looking at a map it's part of England?"... :top: Or maybe why Canada is independent when it is surely just part of the USA?... :lol:

Mexico used to control half of what is now the USA, by the same logic applied to Gibraltar they should therefore hand back this territory regardless of the opinions of the people who reside in it?

The first people to settle in Gibraltor were Muslims from present day Morocco, but the people there now are largely British Colonists.



That Britain has claim to ANY piece of the Iberian Peninsula is as backward a notion as any claims Britain has to Ireland. Let's get real and see this for what it is. An occupation of Spain by British colonists at the behest of the Crown.


The Irish people wanted independence from the UK, that's the difference, the people of Gibraltar want to remain as they are, Britain won that land fair and square from Spain as the USA won half of their country from the Mexicans, the only thing that matters in the modern world is the people living there & what they want. 98% of Gibraltar oppose any Spanish influence, therefore any move by the Spanish to take Gibraltar would be a move towards occupation.
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PostTue Nov 26, 2013 5:34 pm » by Perronick


Endless16 wrote:
Harbin wrote:
Endless16 wrote:@Harbin

98% of the people in Gibraltar want it to remain British, so no it's not part of Spain, if Spain took Gibraltar it would be an occupation. Geographical location is meaningless and is a rather simplistic way of looking at things, you could just as easily look at a map and wonder at why Scotland want independence from the UK when surely looking at a map it's part of England?"... :top: Or maybe why Canada is independent when it is surely just part of the USA?... :lol:

Mexico used to control half of what is now the USA, by the same logic applied to Gibraltar they should therefore hand back this territory regardless of the opinions of the people who reside in it?

The first people to settle in Gibraltor were Muslims from present day Morocco, but the people there now are largely British Colonists.



That Britain has claim to ANY piece of the Iberian Peninsula is as backward a notion as any claims Britain has to Ireland. Let's get real and see this for what it is. An occupation of Spain by British colonists at the behest of the Crown.


The Irish people wanted independence from the UK, that's the difference, the people of Gibraltar want to remain as they are, Britain won that land fair and square from Spain as the USA won half of their country from the Mexicans, the only thing that matters in the modern world is the people living there & what they want. 98% of Gibraltar oppose any Spanish influence, therefore any move by the Spanish to take Gibraltar would be a move towards occupation.


The people of Gibraltar are interested in remaining British as long as the money keeps flowing, that's what Britain does to maintain its "crown" of off-shore empire, grant them special status to leech resources from sovereign, neighboring countries. They don't care, they only want Gibraltar as operating base, their homes are outside Gibraltar and Spanish is their mother language. It has nothing to do with allegiance to your flag. You are the simplistic here, pal, what you mention is just the bullshit to delay the return of the colony, you might not see it but is common knowledge outside Britain.

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PostTue Nov 26, 2013 5:53 pm » by Endless16


@perronick

From Wikipedia: "Gibraltarians have historically been proud of their British heritage, and unlike the inhabitants of other territories, sought to strengthen, rather than loosen their ties with the UK and the British Crown, seeing themselves as "more British than the British". This sense of being British was particularly strong when the frontier with Spain was closed in 1969, and all communications links were severed. Until 16 December 2006, the only flights from Gibraltar Airport, were those to the UK. To some in Britain itself, this sense of Britishness is often looked upon with a mixture of incomprehension and ridicule. The fact that they are largely of Mediterranean appearance and speak an Andalusian Spanish variant, known as Llanito gives Gibraltarians a strong resemblance to Andalusian Spaniards, despite the Gibraltarian's distinct cultural heritage and identity."
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PostTue Nov 26, 2013 6:09 pm » by Perronick


Endless16 wrote:@perronick

From Wikipedia: "Gibraltarians have historically been proud of their British heritage, and unlike the inhabitants of other territories, sought to strengthen, rather than loosen their ties with the UK and the British Crown, seeing themselves as "more British than the British". This sense of being British was particularly strong when the frontier with Spain was closed in 1969, and all communications links were severed. Until 16 December 2006, the only flights from Gibraltar Airport, were those to the UK. To some in Britain itself, this sense of Britishness is often looked upon with a mixture of incomprehension and ridicule. The fact that they are largely of Mediterranean appearance and speak an Andalusian Spanish variant, known as Llanito gives Gibraltarians a strong resemblance to Andalusian Spaniards, despite the Gibraltarian's distinct cultural heritage and identity."


more British than the British ? seriously? sorry but I couldn't read the rest with a straight face.


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