Sun storm to hit with 'force of 100m bombs'

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PostThu Aug 26, 2010 5:16 pm » by Nickelson


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The first solar storm of this cycle hit the Earth
early this month, causing it to light up spectacularly
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AFTER 10 years of comparative slumber, the sun is waking up - and it's got astronomers on full alert.

This week several US media outlets reported that NASA was warning the massive flare that caused spectacular light shows on Earth earlier this month was just a precursor to a massive solar storm building that had the potential to wipe out the entire planet's power grid.


NASA has since rebutted those reports, saying it could come "100 years away or just 100 days", but an Australian astronomer says the space community is betting on the sooner scenario rather than the latter.

Despite its rebuttal, NASA's been watching out for this storm since 2006 and reports from the US this week claim the storms could hit on that most Hollywood of disaster dates - 2012.

Similar storms back in 1859 and 1921 caused worldwide chaos, wiping out telegraph wires on a massive scale.

The 2012 storm has the potential to be even more disruptive.

"The general consensus among general astronomers (and certainly solar astronomers) is that this coming Solar maximum (2012 but possibly later into 2013) will be the most violent in 100 years," astronomy lecturer and columnist Dave Reneke said.

"A bold statement and one taken seriously by those it will affect most, namely airline companies, communications companies and anyone working with modern GPS systems.

"They can even trip circuit breakers and knock out orbiting satellites, as has already been done this year."

Regardless, the point astronomers are making is it doesn't matter if the next Solar Max isn't the worst in history, or even as bad as the 1859 storms.

It's the fact that there hasn't been one since the mid-80s. Commodore had just launched the Amiga and the only digital storm making the news was Tetris.

No one really knows what effect the 2012-2013 Solar Max will have on today's digital-reliant society.

Dr Richard Fisher, director of NASA’s Heliophysics division, told Mr Reneke the super storm would hit like "a bolt of lightning”, causing catastrophic consequences for the world’s health, emergency services and national security unless precautions are taken.

US government officials earlier this year took part in a "tabletop exercise" in Boulder, Colorado, to map out what might happen if the Earth was hit with a storm as intense as the 1859 and 1921 storms.

The 1859 storm was of a similar size to that predicted by NASA to hit within the next three years – one of decreased activity, but more powerful eruptions.

NASA said that a recent report by the National Academy of Sciences found that if a similar storm occurred today, it could cause “$1 to 2 trillion in damages to society's high-tech infrastructure and require four to 10 years for complete recovery”.

Staff at the Space Weather Prediction Center in Colorado, which hosted the exercise, said with our reliance on satellite technology, such an event could hit the Earth with the magnitude of a global hurricane or earthquake.

The reason for the concern comes as the sun enters a phase known as Solar Cycle 24.

All the alarming news building around the event is being fuelled by two things.

The first is a book by disaster expert Lawrence E. Joseph, Guilty of Apocalypse: The Case Against 2012, in which he claims the "Hurricane Katrina for the Earth" may cause unprecedented planetwide upheaval.

The second is a theory that claims sunspots travel through the sun on a "conveyor belt" similar to the Great Ocean Conveyor Belt which controls weather on Earth.

The belt carries magnetic fields through the sun. When they hit the surface, they explode as sunspots.

Weakened, they then travel back through the sun's core to recharge.

It all happens on a rough 40-50-year cycle, according to solar physicist David Hathaway of the National Space Science and Technology Center in the US.

He says when the belt speeds up, lots of magnetic fields are collected, which points to more intense future activity.

"The belt was turning fast in 1986-1996," Prof Hathaway said.

"Old magnetic fields swept up then should reappear as big sunspots in 2010-2011."

Most experts agree, although those who put the date of Solar Max in 2012 are getting the most press.

They claim satellites will be aged by 50 years, rendering GPS even more useless than ever, and the blast will have the equivalent energy of 100 million hydrogen bombs.

“We know it is coming but we don’t know how bad it is going to be,” Dr Fisher told Mr Reneke in the most recent issue of Australasian Science.

“Systems will just not work. The flares change the magnetic field on the Earth and it’s rapid, just like a lightning bolt.

"That’s the solar effect.”

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PostFri Aug 27, 2010 12:30 pm » by Nickelson


A lot of readers, but no comments!

What will happen when this will affect the Western part of the world and goes totally blank, what will the Far East do??

I for one believe this event will happen in due time and it will create total chaos in the area's effected by it.

When we can calculate when it is coming we can take proper action, by for example shutting down the power stations, that would minimize the damage.
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PostFri Aug 27, 2010 12:47 pm » by Funnyman46


nickelson love your stuff.
Maybe everyones (myself) confused; first the suns getting active and then we read it's calming down. Hard to keep track. If this event does take place, you can bet we'll loose lots of stations as many will not 'get the memo' or take it seriously. Then it's back to the Beverly Hillbillies and solar ovens. Oh, one more thing, the government would/could use this to take completely over because idiots will start looting and cause marshall law to be implemented. I hope not but I see it as a possible outcome.
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PostFri Aug 27, 2010 1:01 pm » by Rich316


Load of complete shit! How many damn sun threads do we need to read with the same crap posted over and over and over again. It's nothing more than speculation.. Hey I can speculate you're going to be run over by a bus driven by horny nuns... but I can't prove it... The evidence reads the other way if you care to think outside the box and ignore the media.... Maunder minimum, cooling oceans, sunspots vanishing and less solar flares because of that.. everything points to the opposite... why is that? What are they trying to instill in you? ..FEAR..

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PostFri Aug 27, 2010 1:03 pm » by Rich316


Solution: buy a good generator and stock up on fuel to run it. simple. If you believe the hype that is.... lol

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PostFri Aug 27, 2010 1:10 pm » by Nickelson


rich316 wrote:Load of complete shit! How many damn sun threads do we need to read with the same crap posted over and over and over again. It's nothing more than speculation.. Hey I can speculate you're going to be run over by a bus driven by horny nuns... but I can't prove it... The evidence reads the other way if you care to think outside the box and ignore the media.... Maunder minimum, cooling oceans, sunspots vanishing and less solar flares because of that.. everything points to the opposite... why is that? What are they trying to instill in you? ..FEAR..


Just read upon your history books to find it it is BS, but yes to predict an upcoming event is not so easy, that's why we invest billions of dollars to investigate the Sun, SOHO, STEREO a.o. Just recently was discovered our Sun has more influence on the Earth than we can ever imagined I posted that article here yesterday.

Your example of the bus is IMO totally BS and can not be compared to the "dangers" from our own solar system.

Just hit the link to find out more on solar storms and when the appeared in our history.
solarstorms.org
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PostFri Aug 27, 2010 1:33 pm » by Rich316


nickelson wrote:
rich316 wrote:Load of complete shit! How many damn sun threads do we need to read with the same crap posted over and over and over again. It's nothing more than speculation.. Hey I can speculate you're going to be run over by a bus driven by horny nuns... but I can't prove it... The evidence reads the other way if you care to think outside the box and ignore the media.... Maunder minimum, cooling oceans, sunspots vanishing and less solar flares because of that.. everything points to the opposite... why is that? What are they trying to instill in you? ..FEAR..


Just read upon your history books to find it it is BS, but yes to predict an upcoming event is not so easy, that's why we invest billions of dollars to investigate the Sun, SOHO, STEREO a.o. Just recently was discovered our Sun has more influence on the Earth than we can ever imagined I posted that article here yesterday.

Your example of the bus is IMO totally BS and can not be compared to the "dangers" from our own solar system.

Just hit the link to find out more on solar storms and when the appeared in our history.
solarstorms.org


Explain for me then, why there are hundreds of specialists saying the opposite? The sun is going to sleep, solar grand maximum is over, period. In the decades ahead, we're going to see the sun wind down further and the planet will cool. One site that comes to mind is www.iceagenow.com. There are serious predictions that say, based on their 'models' that SS24 is going to be a FIZZER with a well below average number of sunspots - less sunspots means LESS flares, not more. Yet the doom and gloom media including the government and their NASA are saying the opposite.. Who do you believe? Do you believe your government or independent specialists in their field? I mean you guys hate your government and don't trust them in anyway shape of form, right? Yet every time there's an article on the sun (With nothing new mind you) you take it on board like it's gospel..

All I'm saying is think outside the box.. avoid the media, they are lying to you.. Global warming is a great example, vaccinations, fluoride etc etc..

I don't believe the sun is going to cause us problems in the way you think. The science says with less solar flares occuring and the sun in a more relaxed state, there is MORE chance of cosmic rays coming into our solar system...I think this entire 2012 thing is about frequencies and how they change human behaviour and maybe even DNA and makeup etc. So having said that, with more cosmic frequencies coming in, at that particular time, I think it could well change us into a more successful (I think thats the right word..) species.. In a good way I mean.. the Sun will be the delivery boy if you like, of a new type of 'nervous system changing' frequency... This is what I call Evolution...

Anyhow, happy to be wrong. Don't worry that I don't agree with the article mate, it's not like you actually wrote it hey?

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PostFri Aug 27, 2010 2:18 pm » by Rich316


Just take a look at the title of the article.. tell me they're not trying to scare the crap out of people...

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PostFri Aug 27, 2010 8:14 pm » by lamonema


Take a look at the SOHO images for the past two days. Do you see the bow shape at the right side, i think it's lens damage, what do you think?

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PostFri Aug 27, 2010 8:17 pm » by sockpuppet


rich316 wrote:Just take a look at the title of the article.. tell me they're not trying to scare the crap out of people...



It's not that they're trying to scare the crap out of people, it's just that scientists have been saying the solar cycle will peak in 2012 (and maybe blow out our grid and cause chaos) for about 4 years now and it just isn't news anymore.
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