SWAT Team Murders Ex Marine In His Own Home.

Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:00 am » by **Stompk**

TUCSON, Ariz. (AP) — Jose Guerena Ortiz was sleeping after an exhausting 12-hour night shift at a copper mine. His wife, Vanessa, had begun breakfast. Their 4-year-old son, Joel, asked to watch cartoons.
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The officers — four of whom carried .40-caliber handguns while another had an AR-15 — moved to the door, briefly sounding a siren, then shouting "Police!" in English and Spanish. With a thrust of a battering ram, they broke the door open. Eight seconds passed before they opened fire into the house.

And 10 seconds later, Guerena lay dying in a hallway 20-feet from the front door. The SWAT team fired 71 rounds, riddling his body 22 times, while his wife and child cowered in a closet.

"Hurry up, he's bleeding," Vanessa Guerena pleaded with a 911 operator. "I don't know why they shoot him. They open the door and shoot him. Please get me an ambulance."

When she emerged from the home minutes later, officers hustled her to a police van, even as she cried that her husband was unresponsive and bleeding, and that her young son was still inside. She begged them to get Joel out of the house before he saw his father in a puddle of blood on the floor.

These thugs have got to go. Anyone wanting to be a cop should have their head examined.
America is quickly slipping into a police state.

Mon Nov 28, 2011 4:36 am » by **Hackjames**

I've seen this discussed here before, and yes, it is very troubling.

You could check up on the situation to see how it has developed since the initial mainstream reporting, I'm sure there are people here who would be grateful for the information (or angered by it, as the case may be).

Mon Nov 28, 2011 4:49 am » by **Kinninigan**

Some think this was a hit by the police because the marine knew about some crooked cops working with dealers in the area. Letting him bleed to death for an hour does not help that theory either.

Mon Nov 28, 2011 4:54 am » by **Hackjames**

kinninigan wrote:Some think this was a hit by the police because the marine knew about some crooked cops working with dealers in the area. Letting him bleed to death for an hour does not help that theory either.

You mean it doesn't hurt that theory?

Mon Nov 28, 2011 4:58 am » by **Kinninigan**

hackjames wrote:
kinninigan wrote:Some think this was a hit by the police because the marine knew about some crooked cops working with dealers in the area. Letting him bleed to death for an hour does not help that theory either.

You mean it doesn't hurt that theory?

yes..

Mon Nov 28, 2011 5:03 am » by **Seahawk100**

hackjames wrote:I've seen this discussed here before, and yes, it is very troubling.

You could check up on the situation to see how it has developed since the initial mainstream reporting, I'm sure there are people here who would be grateful for the information (or angered by it, as the case may be).

The op article excerpt is from today. There's a lot more background info. Here's the link if you wanna check it out.

http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/swat-teams-shooting-of-1242561.html

Mon Nov 28, 2011 5:06 am » by **Rmcampwest**

stompk wrote:
TUCSON, Ariz. (AP) — Jose Guerena Ortiz was sleeping after an exhausting 12-hour night shift at a copper mine. His wife, Vanessa, had begun breakfast. Their 4-year-old son, Joel, asked to watch cartoons.
...
The officers — four of whom carried .40-caliber handguns while another had an AR-15 — moved to the door, briefly sounding a siren, then shouting "Police!" in English and Spanish. With a thrust of a battering ram, they broke the door open. Eight seconds passed before they opened fire into the house.

And 10 seconds later, Guerena lay dying in a hallway 20-feet from the front door. The SWAT team fired 71 rounds, riddling his body 22 times, while his wife and child cowered in a closet.

"Hurry up, he's bleeding," Vanessa Guerena pleaded with a 911 operator. "I don't know why they shoot him. They open the door and shoot him. Please get me an ambulance."

When she emerged from the home minutes later, officers hustled her to a police van, even as she cried that her husband was unresponsive and bleeding, and that her young son was still inside. She begged them to get Joel out of the house before he saw his father in a puddle of blood on the floor.

These thugs have got to go. Anyone wanting to be a cop should have their head examined.
America is quickly slipping into a police state.[/q This happened over a year ago. I don't recall what happened to the cops involved, but I believe most were fired. They had the wrong address, again! Don't be hating all cops! Without cops you would have to rely on pixie dust and fairy juice!

Mon Nov 28, 2011 5:46 am » by **Hackjames**

rmcampwest wrote:Without cops you would have to rely on pixie dust and fairy juice!

I've been telling people that for years, yet when I do they look at me as though I'd just said something very, very stupid. Any thoughts on why that may be?

I do agree with the idea that not all cops are the same, but there are other alternatives to police besides fictional-humanoid byproducts.

Mon Nov 28, 2011 5:52 am » by **Hackjames**

seahawk100 wrote:The op article excerpt is from today. There's a lot more background info. Here's the link if you wanna check it out.

http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/swat-teams-shooting-of-1242561.html

Thanks for pointing that out.

Mon Nov 28, 2011 6:01 am » by **Hackjames**

From the article:

An independent expert, Chuck Drago, a former longtime SWAT officer for Fort Lauderdale, Fla., police who now does consulting on use of force and other law enforcement issues, said that the shooting itself appeared justified.

"It's a horrible, horrible tragedy, but if they walked in the door and somebody came at them with an assault rifle, that would be a justifiable response," said Drago. "It doesn't matter whether he's innocent or not."

Eat a fat one, Chuck Drago.