Swine Flu: H1N1 Virus More Dangerous Than Suspected

Fri Jul 17, 2009 5:49 pm » by **Drjones**

Lowsix,you're post made absolutely no sense to me at all and was pure disinfo whether by intent or not....I meant everything i said and perhaps before trying to downplay what i say you should perhaps check out actually what i am saying it and why..
Vaccines are NOT good,was swine flu created in a laboratory and released deliberately,well i can't be sure about that but the possibility exists and there is evidence for this being very plausible,so lowsix believe what you will as i do...
Let me ask you this m8...can you tell me what is going to be the ingredients of the coming vaccine,likely multiple vaccines??...if so i am all ears....I base my evidence that vaccines are dangerous from what is actually in the ones we know of..

Fri Jul 17, 2009 6:00 pm » by **Lowsix**

Jones you and your absolute overuse of the most retarded fucking word on the planet (disinfo) leads me to assume that you cant face the own dillemma youre running around pushing. Its called Asking a simple question.

You claim your biggest concern is about helping people make healthful and wise decisions, but if you cant (or won't, more accurately) answer the following, then you are showing yourself to be absolutely full of shit on all counts.

Play like you cant understand the question if you want.
I think its becuase it makes perfect sense, highlights a particular hypocrisy,
and you cant reconcile your own contradiction..

So on one hand you say its serious, could kill millions..just like in 1918.
Meaning a population killer.

BUT on the other hand youre telling people NOT to take the vaccine,
even though admitting yourself, the virus is real, its serious and WILL (not might) have serious consequences for the planets population.

So the really simple question is this:

Are people just supposed to let the Virus Kill them - as by your own words, it very likely will, being a serious threat and all?

Or should they attempt to save themselves, their families and therefore Humanity by taking steps to stop it?

Simple, simple question.
No agenda.

Just looking for clarification in the Cases youve laid out there yourself.

Fri Jul 17, 2009 6:05 pm » by **Daemonfoe**

I look at it this way.

A flu is bad no matter what kind it is. It's a virus. It's bad.

A vaccine is bad no matter what kind it is. We don't know what's in them. Lots of people seem to think they contain mercury. I don't get flu shots or other vaccinations, and I haven't had any problems. I actually notice people who do get flu shots end up getting the flu, and I don't. Vaccines are unnecessary, but bad?

Yes, not only because of the possibility that it could be a trojan horse, but because as a population, it interferes with the progress of the evolution of our immune system. We do not need to become more dependent.

If the people who make the virus are the same people that make the vaccine, are you going to take it? Are you going to put it in your blood? :ohno:

Fri Jul 17, 2009 6:14 pm » by **Drjones**

Lowsix m8,this is NOTHING PERSONAL,like i said previously,i saw your apparent question of the flu vs the vaccine argument thing and was bemused by it..Ok,this is what i personally am going to do....what anyone else does is entirely upto them...

I will avoid ANY vaccine,i have at present a good stock of colloidal silver and organic garlic capsules,and other immune boosting herbs and natural substances.
For me personally the colloidal silver alone i strongly believe is all you will need to be beat ANY virulent pandemic that is also proving deadly.This is not only what i will be doing but MILLIONS of people the world over :sunny:

.I do not believe the vaccine will kill you within minutes of getting it but they have neve been proven to be effective EVER,why not?..erm is it that they are not really effective :oops:

and actually with the right natural remedies and access to them you would have a strong enough immune system to fight just about anything.So much of the vaccine story points to only one thing...MONEY....profits,also at the end of the day we truly do not know the exact effects the UNKNOWN ingredients of a vaccine will have on us both mentally,physically and spiritually and i'm sorry to sound like a "crazy" person but i'm going to take the chance...I want to know EVERYTHING about this vaccine and if i cannot get basic information,in this case ACTUAL INGREDIENTS,then this is a no go for me... :cheers:

Fri Jul 17, 2009 6:19 pm » by **Drjones**

daemonfoe wrote:I look at it this way.

A flu is bad no matter what kind it is. It's a virus. It's bad.

A vaccine is bad no matter what kind it is. We don't know what's in them. Lots of people seem to think they contain mercury. I don't get flu shots or other vaccinations, and I haven't had any problems. I actually notice people who do get flu shots end up getting the flu, and I don't. Vaccines are unnecessary, but bad?

Yes, not only because of the possibility that it could be a trojan horse, but because as a population, it interferes with the progress of the evolution of our immune system. We do not need to become more dependent.

If the people who make the virus are the same people that make the vaccine, are you going to take it? Are you going to put it in your blood?

M8,good post,well put.With regards to vaccines containing mercury,yes they really do(Thimerosol),amongst other ridiculous things.You may find the following information useful:
http://www.rense.com/general59/vvac.htm
There are others,use your google...i've also went further than just googling with regards to the whole vaccine thing and i've not heard alot of positive talk about them... :shock:

A vaccine to me is basically if you had the most evil guy in the world and you said to him,look we wanna kill people,lots of em in a way that they will not know,SO what they do is concoct up a jag full of the most toxic substances on the planet which to me is what a vaccine is full of is it not and inject you with it giving you the impression it is saving you,the ideal plan for an evil genius would'nt you agree? :help:

Thimerosal
Few studies of the toxicity of thiomersal in humans have been performed. Animal experiments suggest that thiomersal rapidly dissociates to release ethylmercury after injection; that the disposition patterns of mercury are similar to those after exposure to equivalent doses of ethylmercury chloride; and that the central nervous system and the kidneys are targets, with lack of motor coordination being a common sign. Similar signs and symptoms have been observed in accidental human poisonings. The mechanisms of toxic action are unknown.

More than 5,000 U.S. families have filed claims in a federal vaccine court alleging autism was caused by vaccines, most implicating thiomersal.

The U.S. federal government agreed to award damages in one case, to a girl with a mitochondrial enzyme deficiency who developed autistic-like symptoms after receiving a series of vaccines,[18] some of which contained thiomersal.

Fri Jul 17, 2009 6:28 pm » by **Drjones**

concrete wrote:
LowSix wrote:Jones you and your absolute overuse of the most retarded fucking word on the planet (disinfo) leads me to assume that you cant face the own dillemma youre running around pushing.

Low. Please. Leave the insults to Pintz.

I think what the good doc is saying (although I don't want to put words in his mouth).

Is that this flu can be tackled by a healthy immune system and that not everyone should jump to a vaccine. Last resort, maybe.
Vaccines contain loads of harmful preservatives (well at least they used to). If a governemnt is willing to vaccinate an entire population on an untested drug, would you not be a bit sceptical?
Best bit, the same company contracted to produce a vaccine for the UK, just so happens to be the same one that was busted for trying to ship a vaccine with live viruses in it. It kinda makes us a bit paranoid about these vaccines.

Thanks m8,yeah,thats exactly what i am saying....I'm only trying to put some common sense into this issue from what I know or have access to know and thus far,sadly NOT ENOUGH with regards to vaccine safety....Do you think i want to be sitting here telling you NOT to take a vaccine or NOT to listen to the governement,im not the only one,jesus,we know something is a miss in society and if i can't make UP MY OWN mind about something i avoid it,not let someone else decide what is best for me...especially if they have no good evidence to back up what they are saying...i'll do something just because someone said so and someone else done this...NO...that's where the term sheeple comes to mind :sheep:

Fri Jul 17, 2009 6:36 pm » by **Lowsix**

Roger, Chalk Daemonfoe up as one who is going to let Fate and paranoia decide his future...and the futre of those around him.

(remember the qualifier here, is that the virus mutates and is killing MILLIONS of people..not the random batches of one, three and five..but MILLIONS) Im not talking about it in its weakened form, Im using DOCs admission that it could get to 1918 levels..Please keep that straight.

While Millions and millions of people are dropping dead around him, he will prefer to take the conspiracy line that:

a. it was created by the people making the vaccine (100% unproven Conspiranoid bullshit)
b. since 'some people think' mercury blah blah..it must contain mercury
c. His certain death will somehow stand out to contribute to the overall immune system of the planet.
d. his death, and the deaths of others, from refusing to take the vaccine, will be completly honrorable, and worthwhile in helping other people take a stand against future viruses, by just letting it kill them as well, due to unfounded and overwhelming fear of the states eugenics programs

thanks for being honest about your stance.

And to have to perpetually stand by and correct you BLATANT LIES about vaccines and their inefficiency, I WILL BE FORCED to remind people, that vaccines have ERADICATED some of the worst man killing diseases the planet has ever known. And since i have alerted you to them before, I will take your insistence on refusing to acknowledge them as a disingenous ploy to make your case against them, to make people believe YOU and only you, at their peril..and disregard science, and common sense..

You should be ashamed of yourself actually.

@ Concrete...to acuse ME of disinfo on this subject while he continues to lie about vaccines and their worth to humanity???? Saying that hes overusing the word, and in the wrong context is accurate. Tough shit on him.
Im just fucking sick and tired of this one sided, insulting, half assed information campaign about health, that disregards the TRUTH
.
Thats what were here for isnt it?

To accuse me of Disinfo
(insult of the highest order on this issue, for the record)
for happening to know the difference between
his bullshit and the truth?

...what...the...fuck...ever...

He CLAIMS that NO vaccines are effective..
as a way to bolster his argument against this one.... is a LIE.

dr.Jones wrote:I do not believe the vaccine will kill you within minutes of getting it but they have neve been proven to be effective EVER,why not?

Spread the parenting around a bit then, if you dont mind...

These have been SUCCESFULLY treated and prevented due to Evil Vaccines:

Chickenpox (varicella)
Diphtheria
Haemophilus influenza type b infections (such as meningitis)
Hepatitis A
Hepatitis B
Human papillomavirus (for girls)
Influenza
Measles
Meningococcal meningitis
Mumps
Pertussis
Pneumococcal infections
Polio
Rotavirus
Rubella (German measles)
Tetanus
Anthrax
Rabies
Shingles
Tuberculosis
Typhoid
Yellow Fever

Fri Jul 17, 2009 6:37 pm » by **Savoysadie**

"WHO, flu experts looking into claim H1N1 swine flu evolved in lab, not nature"

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=13589

"Health Organizations Checking Top Virus Scientist's Claim that Swine Flu May Have Escaped From Lab"

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2009/05/health-organizations-checking-top-virus.html

... of course, knowing all of this doesn't change the situation. It's a trade off. We could take our chances and die from flu...or.. we could get vaccinated and die from whatever else the vaccine may contain.. At least we'll know who to hold accountable when we form the civilian's vigilante squads.

Fri Jul 17, 2009 6:47 pm » by **Drjones**

Look low say what you want,it's quite entertaining to me..no offence.Like i said you accuse me of believing this and that unequivocally,NO,you're not getting EXACTLY what i mean,your actually more inclined to ridicule my views or play them down and hey i'm fine with that,i don't have all the answers but NEITHER DO YOU

Again with regards to vaccines,i would rather put my faith in nautre to protect my health than the oppsite(which is a vaccine).I'm not saying they do not work,i'm saying for sure in my opinion that they cannot be good for you..There are MANY examples of this,i'm not going to list them because if you are so bothered about doing real unbiased research you would already have done this and know this,but i'm guessing you may have not done this?..... :ohno:

So,where are we,i want to be responsible for MY BODY,if the government offer a vaccine,then fine,i will choose to accpet it based on the information they allow me access to or not,fair enough.I mean this is the ramblings of a madman right?.. :hmmm:

Fri Jul 17, 2009 6:52 pm » by **Lowsix**

Now youre changing your story

You said..and i quote

"I do not believe the vaccine will kill you within minutes of getting it but they have never been proven to be effective EVER, why not?"

HUGE difference. And patently untrue.

I can only reply to what you write,
not what you actually believe, if you dont write it.

So to change your story, and then pretend im going off halfcocked is some shit dude..really.