Swine Flu: H1N1 Virus More Dangerous Than Suspected

[Snake Plissken Profile]

Hmmm...still not sure what to make of this Swine flu craziness. At the moment there seems to be a lot of conflicting information, the newspapers are throwing headlines in our faces about it (feels like scaremongering), the World Health Organisation are talking about getting EVERYONE injected with a vaccine, meanwhile doctors that i have seen interviewed in the media seem to be playing down the effects of swine flu (in its current form) and saying that its no worse than common flu and those who have died so far have MOSTLY had underlying health conditions.

So i think i will sit and wait patiently to see what happens, lets wait until we all get a letter through our door telling us that we HAVE to go and get vaccinated by the end of the week, then ill start questioning, because its only at that point that my good old paranoia kicks in, i should be given the option to be vaccinated, but not told that i have to!!

[Towelie Profile]

If this doesnt put people off getting the vaccine, i dont know what would.

A spokesman for the European Medicines Agency told The Independent newspaper: "What the manufacturers will be submitting will not have any clinical trial data."

I love how they follow something like that with this - The Department of Health said the vaccine would be safe and warned that any suggestion otherwise would create unnecessary panic.
Are they just guessing that it will be safe?

http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/article.aspx?cp-documentid=148637438

[Drjones Profile]

Lowsissy,i mean six-get a life m8.

Thanks for bringing up an event with NO SIGNIFICANCE to this particular discussion to show EVERYONE that you are "cool" and i am somehow not because i called you a "moron",which obviosuly you ARE,kidding....well,maybe i'm not anyway..

So we are discussing swine flu and the safety and effectiveness of vaccines and lowsix says this:

"As a matter of fact, you were the first person to step out on a limb to personally insult me in this forum, by calling me a MORON, for asserting that the Stogosaurus sulpture was IN FACT..a boar..we all know how that went, and you conveniently disappeared, without backing YOURSELF up, after having started the insult game."

By the way "m8" i stand by what i said and still do,saying that i "disappeared" it is more likely i had better things to do with my time that day than go on about whether a picture posted on disclose was a boar or a stegosaurus (Get your spelling right on here my friend too)...S...t....e...g..o...s..a..u...r..u..s.(sorry)...

If you reply low don't expect me to rush back with a response unless it is something constructive...

[Drjones Profile]

Now youre changing your story

You said..and i quote

"I do not believe the vaccine will kill you within minutes of getting it but they have never been proven to be effective EVER, why not?"

HUGE difference. And patently untrue.

I can only reply to what you write,
not what you actually believe, if you dont write it.

So to change your story, and then pretend im going off halfcocked is some shit dude..really.

Ok,yes you can only reply to what i write and you don't do it very well in my opinion...anyway with replying this is causing alot of issues,not just with me but this happens all over disclose,i stand by my previous comments,effectiveness of vaccines has not been proven,neither has safety,i wonder why?
Example.. (there is quite a few..hmm,yeah)..

The polio vaccine is the most touted example of the human endeavor to triumph against germs. "Every schoolchild knows" that the polio vaccine eradicated polio in the Western hemisphere. But in fact there is no evidence to support this claim.

From 1923 to 1953, before Jonas Salk's killed-virus polio vaccine was introduced, the polio death rate in the U.S. and England had already declined by 47 percent and 55 percent, respectively. The epidemic ended not just in the United States and England, but in European countries that questioned the vaccine's safety and refused to systematically vaccinate their citizens.

Not only was the vaccine ineffective, it produced results opposite to those intended. In the U.S, the number of polio cases following mass vaccinations was significantly greater than before mass vaccinations.

So low forgive me if you find my interest in the following information relevant to my "vaccines are not effective" comments....you should add unsafe to that too...

I may aswell add:
Dr. Viera Scheibner, author of "Vaccinations: 100 Years of Orthodox Research" sums up the position of researchers not funded by pharmaceutical companies: "There is no evidence whatsoever that vaccines of any kind ... are effective in preventing the infectious diseases they are supposed to prevent. Further, adverse effects are amply documented and are far more significant to public health than any adverse effects of infectious diseases. [Vaccinations have] caused more suffering and more deaths than any other human activity in the history of medical intervention.

Hey, "Doc",
Can you tell me why there are so few people these days hobbling around on crutches due to polio than there were a century ago?
Is it because our collective immune systems have evolved?

Yes,do you want to know how the entire universe works too m8?..

[Lowsix Profile]

No Jones you make a great point.

I can see how youd come to the conclusion that Im a Sissy for asking a simple and intellectually valid question about what the anti vaccine crowd does if this virus morphs into a humanity threatening event. Makes perfect sense mate.

Thats completly unrelated to a thread titled
"H1H1 More Dangerous than Expected".

[Drjones Profile]

No Jones you make a great point.

I can see how youd come to the conclusion that Im a Sissy for asking a simple and intellectually valid question about what the anti vaccine crowd does if this virus morphs into a humanity threatening event. Makes perfect sense mate.

Thats completly unrelated to a thread titled
"H1H1 More Dangerous than Expected".

You're tellin ME that you cannot look back at my previous posts and discover the answer to your all important question?.....I mean i don't want to point it out to you my friend but it's pretty bleedin obvious what my views are....ok,i'm gonna do it,make it real easy for you,page 2 allright,if you can't fathom my ideals for dealing with swine from that then you truly are lost....now...what else is happening on this crazy place full of crazy people..

[Djinn Profile]

I'd embed this but I don't know how unless it's disclose google or youtube...

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9mh9f_swine-flu-1976-propaganda_webcam

That video REALLY gives perspective. Thanks.

[Esoteric Profile]

Swine Flu: H1N1 Virus More Dangerous Than Suspected

sorry jonesy i think you got it wrong this time

[Truthseeker Profile]

Joseph Moshe (MOSSAD Microbiologist): “Swine flu vaccine is bioweapon”
Friday, August 21, 2009

Joseph Moshe, MOSSAD
Today, the MSM are not talking about this case any more. Yesterday, they wanted us to believe that Joseph Moshe was a nutcase and a terrorist, arrested for threatening to bomb the White House. Interesting detail about his arrest (the “Westwood standoff”) was that he seemed to be immune to the 5 cans of tear gas and 5 gallons of law-enforcement grade pepper spray they pumped into his face. He very calmly remained in his car, as the video footage of his arrest shows.


Professor Moshe had called into a live radio show by Dr. A. True Ott, (explanation of Joseph Moshe’s call at 06:00) broadcast on Republic Broadcasting claiming to be a microbiologist who wanted to supply evidence to a States Attorney regarding tainted H1N1 Swine flu vaccines being produced by Baxter BioPharma Solutions. He said that Baxter’s Ukrainian lab was in fact producing a bioweapon disguised as a vaccine. He claimed that the vaccine contained an adjuvant (additive) designed to weaken the immune system, and replicated RNA from the virus responsible for the 1918 pandemic Spanish flu, causing global sickness and mass death.

Sources tell us that Bar-Joseph Moshe made no threat against the President or the White House. He did not mention any bomb or attack. He then proceeded to inform the White House he intended to go public with this information. When he noticed men in suits in front of his house and feared that the FBI was about to detain him, he packed some belongings into his car and, him being a dual Israeli citizen, tried to reach the Israeli consulate located in close proximity to the federal building where the standoff took place. The FBI and the bomb squad prevented him from reaching it. Who is this man? His profile on biomedexperts.com says he is a plant disease expert with many publications on his name involving the genetic manipulation of virii. Photographic evidence that Moshe is who he says he is can be found here.

Joseph Moshe was soon after his arrest sent or let go to Israel. Nothing has been heard from him since. The Secret Service was not the agency involved in the surveillance of Moshe at his home in California. This was done by the FBI, who had orders to detain or arrest him. Mounted on top of a large black vehicle used in his arrest was a microwave weapon that possibly damaged the electronics in Moshe’s car as well as any communication devices he had which might have been used to contact the media or others who could help him.

Moshe did not suffer the same effects of the gas and pepper spray that others would have because he had built up an immunity to such weapons as a by-product of his Mossad training. Moshe was not handcuffed because he was not placed under arrest.

Does this sound like an insane conspiracy theory? Sure it does. Due to the scarcity and anonimity of the sources we would dismiss it as exactly that, if it weren’t for some uncomfortable facts: Baxter Pharmaceutical has been caught, red-handed, in spreading a live, genetically engineered H5N1 Bird flu vaccine as a lethal biological weapon all over the world, destined to be used for human vaccinations. This happened just a few months ago. And only luck prevented a global catastrophe of epic proportions.

Baxter International Inc. had mixed live, genetically engineered avian flue viruses in vaccine material shipped to 18 countries. Only by sheer luck, a Czech laboratory decided to test the vaccine on a dozen ferrets, which all died in days. The World Health Organization was notified and catastrophe was averted. This was clearly a deliberate act on Baxter’s part, because they adhere to BS3, bio-safety level three. Baxter admitted a “mistake”. Such monumental screwups are totally impossible at that level. Many safety systems would have needed to be sabotaged, many key personell would have needed to be bribed. It simply can’t be done without direction from the inside. They did not send out the wrong vial – they produced dozens of gallons of biological-weapon agent (genetically engineered live H5N1 / Bird flu virus), then sent it out as a “vaccine”.

Baxter knew full well that their vaccine was lethal, because the year before they had tested it on a few hundred homeless Polish people – dozens died as a result.

Where’s the meat? Well – Baxter is now being sued for the deliberate, repeated contamination of vaccines with biological weapons designed – by them – to mass-murder people. Here is the complaint (PDF). By some kook nutcase? Not likely – Jane Burgermeister is an experienced, respected journalist. She is not the only one suing Baxter for planning and executing a plan for global genocide: Others are filing complaints as well. Read a well-researched complaint here (PDF).

Qui bono? We think it may be profit-motivated or even sheer incompetence, but for the conspiracy-minded: The latter complaint alludes to intentional “culling of the herd”. Have you heard of the Georgia Guidestones? An enormous monument loaded with Masonic symbolism costing millions of dollars, it has been erected by unknown, powerful elites (multimillionaires with the clout to erect monuments wherever they please, obviously) around 30 years ago. It gives an “alternative ten commandments”, of which the first is the extermination of six and a half billion people from the face of the Earth. Half a billion will remain. This is the number of people the planet can sustain indefinitely, so that the descendents of the Rothschilds and Rockefellers can live in peace and affluence indefinitely. Slaves are needed to produce that luxury, but 500 million will do just fine. But how does one go about killing off most of the world?

“Vaccinating” the planet with a bioweapon with near-100% mortality would do the trick. Baxter would provide both the bioweapon as well as the vaccine against it to “civilized” Western peoples. Result: We can plunder Africa, we have no more competition from SE Asia, the oil is for our taking and only Western and perhaps Chinese sheeple remain.

Rockefeller said this in 1994 at a U.N. dinner: “We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis, and the nations will accept the New World Order.” PNAC said something similar right before 9/11.

A Spanish Doctor in Internal Medicine largely agrees with the above article:













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