Tablet that tells how asteroid destroyed Sodom 5000yrs ago

[Frankenstein Profile]

Weather is a tad more unpredictable than astronomical alignments in the night sky. But then again you'd know that if you had paid attention in science.

Come on, you should know that anyone who thinks that a father who offers his virgin daughters to a gang to be raped and then later on impregnates them both (but it's ok, 'cause he was drunk and they seduced him) is a good man and deserves to be saved obviously has limited reasoning abilities.

[Eisleo Profile]

Weather is a tad more unpredictable than astronomical alignments in the night sky.

Yes, you're right about that .

But I still make my point.

There are elites who (whether you believe in such a being or not) worship satan and attack the oposite, Christianity.

Also, google: satanic ritual abuse (SRA)

[Eisleo Profile]

Weather is a tad more unpredictable than astronomical alignments in the night sky. But then again you'd know that if you had paid attention in science.

Come on, you should know that anyone who thinks that a father who offers his virgin daughters to a gang to be raped and then later on impregnates them both (but it's ok, 'cause he was drunk and they seduced him) is a good man and deserves to be saved obviously has limited reasoning abilities.

To sad you see it that way. I'll be praying for you.

[Savwafair2012 Profile]

An Astroid Or a photon beam from the orbiting Spaceship.

You see the Aliens where pisted off that their 2nd in command was almost gang rapped by the lustful ocupants of Sodom luckly for him the guy gave up his daughter

[Sentientseed Profile]

Lot was no righteous man in my eyes. Even the bible says...."there is none righteous...no not one." So to say Lot was so...is a just another contradiction for apologetics to try to clear up...when...in my opinion...they should just being helping others and improving themselves...which in my opinion is the real "Lords Work." The only reasonable deduction I can make from it was that Lot was saved by grace due to the pleas of Abraham to his god. It doesn't make it right and I find that whole story disgusting. Matter of fact...when take merely at face value in storyline...I find most of the old testament disgusting. The main lesson I can take and use practically is merely an inference....which is...don't be like Lot nor Abram's god of choice in this instance beyond showing grace to others.

The treatment of women and children in the old testament is atrocious at best. It is not a collection I would allow my child to read.

Don't waste time including me in some two or three minute general prayer in order to make one feel like they have done their duty to garner their everlasting reward. In the same breathe one wastes praying for me...they could have gotten on the phone and donated something of worth to a worthy charitable cause(e.g. sending their neighbor some food or other burden relief) or made some other attempt at something that would actually be of help to someone in need regardless how "wicked" they may perceive those in need to be.

Interesting story regardless of the speculation.

[Eisleo Profile]

Don't waste time including me in some two or three minute general prayer.

Why not?

Anyhow, real Christians pray for hours. And believe me, it does work.

And I'm praying for you, right now!

[Sentientseed Profile]

Why not?

Anyhow, real Christians pray for hours. And believe me, it does work.

And I'm praying for you, right now!

You are free to do as you wish. Although you may not perceive it to be so and it may not be for you, I perceive it as a waste of precious time.

Most people don't have time to pray for hours nor do they. To me a prayer falls in similarity to ritual. It is something done to induce change in oneself or reinforce something through a repetitive act. It works psychologically. It is conditioning or brain washing. I know the latter term is most often perceived negatively but it doesn't have to be.

My dilemma is that I myself harbor harsh criticism to modern Christianity in general and how to reconcile this....because by doing so...I am no different than those behaviors I hold harsh criticism for. I hold high ideals myself that I equally do not live up to.

My admittance in arrogance is that through years of study and multi-perceptions...I have somewhat outgrown what I perceive as an antiquated mass of general propaganda concerning such things.

In my experiences with Christianity...most views are overly simplistic, defensive, argumentative, and expounded with little knowledge concerning the topic. I am also guilty of such as I can only speak to my level of understanding but again in my own arrogance I believe my level of understanding surpasses many of whom I come into contact with in my daily life. This in itself is a negative toward myself. It is also why I come to places like this as there are some very intellectual and well thought out perceptions that I can try on to see how they fit with me....which I perceive as a good thing.

I find it annoying at best to watch high school friends of mine all yell Lord Lord on facebook all day long all the while belittling others such as Charlie Sheen or their own neighbors...which has little to do with what I perceive to be the general message of Yeshua, Joshua, Jesus, the Christ, or whatever other name once to lay on the main character of the new testament. They sit around patting each other on the back mostly and quote scriptures to which they request and get an amen to... all the while doing little in action to serve their fellow humans beneficially. Yet I also realize that in getting annoyed and critical of them...I am no different than them getting annoyed and critical of the Charlie Sheens or their neighbor...and in this realization become annoyed with myself.

I look for deeper meanings, dual or multi-layered meanings, science, history, language, mysticism, etc as I see the biblical texts as well as many others... veiled far beyond what the face value says or shows. Not that simplicity doesn't hold value because it does...such as in Jesus saying...love thy neighbor as thyself as well as getting on with life practically and living it versus constantly being caught up in mental aspects that can get quite out of reach and lead one to a state like the guy in the movie Pi.

I could go on and on and on. Discussing old texts, perceptions, etc is something I can ramble on about for days on end. But will end it here and say that I believe praying for me will not accomplish anything toward my conversion toward one's own Christian perceptions and interpretations. If one really wants to offer help to me...grab a tool belt and show up at my doorstep. I could use all the help I can get with things that matter in practical living. Still...better yet...their are worse off than myself....take action and do versus babbling on about it in a prayer. Thousands of years of prayers tossed to the heavens and still the world is a shit hole. Note I said the world and not the earth.

To everyone on DTV...I know this is out of character for me. I'm having a tough time. Even moreso...I am annoyed with myself that I allow these things to get to me when there are much worse off people out there than myself. Please forgive me and hopefully I can keep my personal life from influencing my comments better in the future.

[Eisleo Profile]

Why not?

Anyhow, real Christians pray for hours. And believe me, it does work.

And I'm praying for you, right now!

You are free to do as you wish. Although you may not perceive it to be so and it may not be for you, I perceive it as a waste of precious time.

Most people don't have time to pray for hours nor do they. To me a prayer falls in similarity to ritual. It is something done to induce change in oneself or reinforce something through a repetitive act. It works psychologically. It is conditioning or brain washing. I know the latter term is most often perceived negatively but it doesn't have to be.

My dilemma is that I myself harbor harsh criticism to modern Christianity in general and how to reconcile this....because by doing so...I am no different than those behaviors I hold harsh criticism for. I hold high ideals myself that I equally do not live up to.

My admittance in arrogance is that through years of study and multi-perceptions...I have somewhat outgrown what I perceive as an antiquated mass of general propaganda concerning such things.

In my experiences with Christianity...most views are overly simplistic, defensive, argumentative, and expounded with little knowledge concerning the topic. I am also guilty of such as I can only speak to my level of understanding but again in my own arrogance I believe my level of understanding surpasses many of whom I come into contact with in my daily life. This in itself is a negative toward myself. It is also why I come to places like this as there are some very intellectual and well thought out perceptions that I can try on to see how they fit with me....which I perceive as a good thing.

I find it annoying at best to watch high school friends of mine all yell Lord Lord on facebook all day long all the while belittling others such as Charlie Sheen or their own neighbors...which has little to do with what I perceive to be the general message of Yeshua, Joshua, Jesus, the Christ, or whatever other name once to lay on the main character of the new testament. They sit around patting each other on the back mostly and quote scriptures to which they request and get an amen to... all the while doing little in action to serve their fellow humans beneficially. Yet I also realize that in getting annoyed and critical of them...I am no different than them getting annoyed and critical of the Charlie Sheens or their neighbor...and in this realization become annoyed with myself.

I look for deeper meanings, dual or multi-layered meanings, science, history, language, mysticism, etc as I see the biblical texts as well as many others... veiled far beyond what the face value says or shows. Not that simplicity doesn't hold value because it does...such as in Jesus saying...love thy neighbor as thyself as well as getting on with life practically and living it versus constantly being caught up in mental aspects that can get quite out of reach and lead one to a state like the guy in the movie Pi.

I could go on and on and on. Discussing old texts, perceptions, etc is something I can ramble on about for days on end. But will end it here and say that I believe praying for me will not accomplish anything toward my conversion toward one's own Christian perceptions and interpretations. If one really wants to offer help to me...grab a tool belt and show up at my doorstep. I could use all the help I can get with things that matter in practical living. Still...better yet...their are worse off than myself....take action and do versus babbling on about it in a prayer. Thousands of years of prayers tossed to the heavens and still the world is a shit hole. Note I said the world and not the earth.

To everyone on DTV...I know this is out of character for me. I'm having a tough time. Even moreso...I am annoyed with myself that I allow these things to get to me when there are much worse off people out there than myself. Please forgive me and hopefully I can keep my personal life from influencing my comments better in the future.

Awesome response man!

I think I have somewhat undestood what you're saying and, to an extent, I agree.
Maybe I was impulsive in previous posts, and honestly, I did not expect something so well written (I'm used to insults, so...). Congrats, for explaining your point, rather than just insulting.

I did however, pray for you, and sorry but I think your high school friends got it wrong. While it is good to pray (real prayer is like sport the more you do it the better you get, it involves focus, not just saying "Lord give me money" that is nothing) it is also good to help others FOR REAL. In fact the Bible itself says that most of those that say Lord Lord all day long will not go into heaven (I forgot the exact passage).

Anyhow, good writting!

Have a nice day!