Teachers able to confiscate mobile phones to control pupils

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PostSat Mar 26, 2011 8:53 pm » by Drjones


@Rik cheers mate. It's a start if you ask me, talking about these things. :flop:
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PostSat Mar 26, 2011 8:55 pm » by Drjones


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drjones wrote:Teachers able to confiscate mobile phones to control disruptive pupils
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/ed ... upils.html :rtft:
Teachers will be able to confiscate pupils' mobile phones and iPods if they consider them disruptive.

As well as increasing their ability to confiscate pupils' possessions teachers will be able to search pupils and forcibly remove disruptive children from the classroom.

Folks.... :vomit: :help:


Home-schooling children is the only way to ensure the creation of a generation of free-thinking, non-indoctrinated adults who know their rights and freedoms and who are not afraid to protect them.

The public school system is set up to create minimal intelligence, conforming sameness, acquiescence, and fear of authority... a prison without bars.


:clapper: I could'nt agree more mate, why ? Well i attended a state run school, about 15 years ago now and i am sure, like many of you, we can look back and confidently say, even leaving with 8 GCSE's, 2 highers and 4 modules, i learned absolutely NOTHING about the world, even on the most basic of levels. :help:
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PostSat Mar 26, 2011 9:18 pm » by Wackyal123


I'm afraid I agree that they should be off in the classroom. I can't even believe that it's being compared to a Nazi state where people are periodically executed for being a different race/religion/disabled etc...

Children need discipline (to an extent... i'm not condoning beating a child into submission!) otherwise they don't learn boundaries or acceptable behaviour within society. Is it really appropriate that when someone is talking to you, you are on your phone? Does the information the person is relaying to you actually sink in? I think not! (And infact, having previously worked as a teaching assistant at a London University, I can tell you, the amount of students now behaving in this utterly disrespectful and outright arrogant manner is growing!)

I would also like to address the statement that teachers are dumb and the system is out of date. Whilst I would agree that some older teachers are incapable of keeping up with the technological speedwagon that we seem to be caught up in, we younger generation of teachers (although, I'm now working in the Movie Industry), are far from dumb. I myself have a 1st class honours degree in Digital Animation and a Masters Degree in Computer Art, and have taught over 200 students the difficult subject of computer graphics, then gone on to work at an oscar winning visual effects studio. Not only this, but I have taught college students with aspergers syndrome and autism. Have you?

All of the above experiences were very difficult to achieve and personally, i believe the phrase, "Those who can't, teach" is exceptionally inaccurate. Infact, teaching alone is a skill that is difficult to master and is akin to speaking about complex subjects in public to people you don't know. Granted, by the end of it, you know the students but to begin with, it is very daunting! You then have the added difficulty that in our throwaway, fast paced society, keeping a students attention is becoming harder and harder and to simply blame the teachers for not being interesting enough is a really pathetic excuse for the students lack of concentration skill.

Basically, what you are asking is for a teacher to provide some incentive. Well, the government already do that by PAYING students to go to college! That's right, they actually use taxpayers money to lure people to college who have no interest in an education and may as well be on the dole. Some people simply aren't interested in further/higher education but go to get free money which comes out of MY pay that I have invested in and got into debt to achieve.

So, in short, get your facts about teaching straight, and try to think how hard it is to teach the shits that don't want to actually learn so sit infront of a screen fiddling with their phones wasting time!

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PostSat Mar 26, 2011 9:24 pm » by Legalizeheroin


You old foagies, didn't this happen to you? At my high school (I was home-schooled prior, but I know protocol is the same for lower grades) cellphones were taken away if they were seen or heard, drug-sniffing dogs were pranced through the parking lot routinely and brought into the building once a month.

In my senior year a cop caught me smoking a cigarette on school grounds. I was immediately searched and taken to the school admins for a quick interrogtion (and a more extensive search) before having my smokes ripped up and canned.
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PostSat Mar 26, 2011 9:29 pm » by Epicfailure


drjones wrote:Guys you are not seeing the bigger picture here and that's why we should be against these measures. Lessons at school should be so enjoyable for the kids the last thing they should be thinking about is using thier mobile phone. Anyway this is yet ANOTHER stepping stone toward the fascist state, and you all seem to support this ?... :bang;

'school is for learning,not fuckin' around.'

YES, but the kids learn NOTHING these days, by design, they learn nothing about mortgages, the monetary system... how to grow food, the environment, the earth, the sun the moon the stars, spirituality... etc


personal finance class I took in public high school.

social studies.

how to grow food (nope)

the environment (science class)

astronomy.

the only one they aren't learning about seems like growing food, and I know sometimes they take kids out to learn those sorts of things at extra curricular activities.

yeah for sure though, I am sure these teacher only take their phones at class and give them back at the end of the day or something, if you don't want your phone taken then you shouldn't use it in school... schools have rules man, and if you willingly violate them you are lucky they just take them so you can pay attention to what is being taught instead of smashing them or confiscating them for the state, like police would do (and your money)

the searches? no I do not support that, that is a direct violation of your personal boundaries and human rights, and depending on who is doing the searching sexual harassment.
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PostSat Mar 26, 2011 11:47 pm » by Frankenstein


wackyal123 wrote:I would also like to address the statement that teachers are dumb and the system is out of date. Whilst I would agree that some older teachers are incapable of keeping up with the technological speedwagon that we seem to be caught up in, we younger generation of teachers (although, I'm now working in the Movie Industry), are far from dumb. I myself have a 1st class honours degree in Digital Animation and a Masters Degree in Computer Art, and have taught over 200 students the difficult subject of computer graphics, then gone on to work at an oscar winning visual effects studio. Not only this, but I have taught college students with aspergers syndrome and autism. Have you?


Blowing your own trumpet is of no relevance to the debate at hand. Technology has very little to do with being dumb or otherwise. The ability to use a computer is a skill, not an indication of either intelligence or the ability to teach.

Yes I have taught college level students with aspergers and autism. Some of the brightest minds have what modern society calls 'learning disorders'.

I am pleased that you know how to do computer graphics design and implementation, but this does not verify or deny that teachers are in general, stupid.

Following a 'curriculum' is a method to make all children come out the same. And whilst the modern system supposedly attempts to draw out different 'intelligences', it still falls to the same old idea of discipline and obedience to authority. Those 'unruly kids' that are getting up and walking around and doing other things during class are bored. Shoving more stuff that does not interest them down their throats is a futile effort and one that is doomed to failure anyway.

How many teachers do you know that teach that the current fiscal system is mathematically unsustainable?

How many teach the children that there are no truly democratic countries in the world?

How many teach that the governments and police forces the world over are corrupt?

How many teach that business leaders and other heroes are actually sociopaths?

How many teach that the reason that people who desire to become police do so because of a serious control issue and the intense desire to order others around?

How many teachers do you know that teach that army boot camp is actually a well defined and structured brainwashing system?

How many teach that the entire modern schooling system was actually designed because a ruler could not get their countrymen to fight wars when they wanted them to and so a public schooling system was put in place to make sure they followed orders when they were required to?

How many times have you heard a teacher say that the current world systems everywhere need radical changes and that it is likely to require a violent revolution to achieve this?

I suggest very few.

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PostSat Mar 26, 2011 11:59 pm » by Boondox681


i also know many people with college degrees.ALL brainwashed socialists ALL OF THEM
what this leads to is this...
INTELLIGENT DOES NOT EQUAL SMART.
colleges socialist ideology gives people the illusion that they're smart.
the real world crushes that illusion
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PostSun Mar 27, 2011 12:01 am » by E6722maj


frankenstein wrote:
How many teachers do you know that teach that the current fiscal system is mathematically unsustainable?

How many teach the children that there are no truly democratic countries in the world?

How many teach that the governments and police forces the world over are corrupt?

How many teach that business leaders and other heroes are actually sociopaths?

How many teach that the reason that people who desire to become police do so because of a serious control issue and the intense desire to order others around?

How many teachers do you know that teach that army boot camp is actually a well defined and structured brainwashing system?

How many teach that the entire modern schooling system was actually designed because a ruler could not get their countrymen to fight wars when they wanted them to and so a public schooling system was put in place to make sure they followed orders when they were required to?

How many times have you heard a teacher say that the current world systems everywhere need radical changes and that it is likely to require a violent revolution to achieve this?

I suggest very few.



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PostSun Mar 27, 2011 12:12 am » by Anzu81


There is nothing wrong with most schools other than in the USA the no child left behind effort which is bs because everyone knows not everyone is the same and this all started by people who think every student should learn the same for a whole world of even skilled children which is not possible. Your child gets the education he/she wants out of the school system. It is when they took punishment out of the schools they went down hill because the kids who cause the disturbances have nothing to fear and that causes the rest that want to learn a disadvantage just ask any teacher how much time in the class is used to have to mange the kids vs teaching.

If anyone here believes that everyone can be the of the same intelligence and that we are all equal you need to be slapped because we all know that is false belief which has lead to we are all special snowflake syndrome.

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PostSun Mar 27, 2011 12:16 am » by Frankenstein


I should also add that to teach a child what is actually in the curriculum, calculus, cell anatomy, history, geography, etc literally takes 1/2 to 1 hour per day. For younger grades, it is about 15 minutes per day.


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